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01-21-2008, 11:34 AM
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With 12 defensive prospects what to do?

Looking at our defensive prospect we have I am wondering what will happen with some of them that have talent but there will be no room with the BIG TEAM.

With 3 players that are set in the postion ie: Komisarek, Markov because of 5 year contract and Hamrlik same as Markov who sticks with the team in a couple of years and what do you do with the others?

Here are the guys:

Alexei Emelin
Ryan McDonagh
David Fischer
Ryan O'Byrne
Cameron Cepek
Joe Stejskal
Niklas Torp
Pavel Valentenko
Yannick Weber
Mathieu Carle
P.K. Subban
Konstantin Korneev
Philippe Paquet
Scott Kishel

We all know that the sure fire guys to have a crack at the NHL are McDonagh, O Byrne, Valentenko, Weber, Carle, Subban,Emelin and Fischer .

What would you do?


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01-21-2008, 11:35 AM
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I think you are a homer, if you say that all of those guys are sure-fire.

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Well first and foremost, none of them are sure-fire. Some will make the big club, some will get dealt, some will stay in the AHL (or home) forever.

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None of those are "sure-fire", Bob is probly gonna keep them all hoping 1-2 develop into NHL guys.

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Draft forwards.

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How's Fischer a sure-fire?

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I think you are a homer, if you say that all of those guys are sure-fire.
Buddy I am just asking I am not a HOMMER, you do not like what I posted do not post on it. Go comment on the other bogus posts out there. This is an honest question.

I picked the guys that have a possibility at the NHL and not a player that will be the next Bobby Orr!

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01-21-2008, 11:41 AM
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The only one I see being a sure thing out of that group would be Emilin if he ever came across the pond. And O'Byrne as all ready played pretty well in the games he's played but he's not graduated yet. Other then that I'll be happy if 2-3 out of that group make it to the NHL with us. I can see Subban making it as a PP quarterback.

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Buddy I am just asking I am not a HOMMER, you do not like what I posted do not post on it. Go comment on the other bogus posts out there. This is an honest question.

I picked the guys that have a possibility at the NHL and not a player that will be the next Bobby Orr!
Although not stated very nicely (homer etc,) I think the point is valid. Not all those guys will make it (some won't even come close) and the problem will correct itself. And if by some crazy chance they all turn into decent NHL'ers, well, that is a great problem to have.

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Other then that I'll be happy if 2-3 out of that group make it to the NHL with us.
Agreed.

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01-21-2008, 11:46 AM
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Alexei Emelin
Ryan McDonagh
David Fischer
Ryan O'Byrne
Cameron Cepek
Joe Stejskal
Niklas Torp
Pavel Valentenko
Yannick Weber
Mathieu Carle
P.K. Subban
Konstantin Korneev
Philippe Paquet
Scott Kishel

Of the players mentioned above I think Emelin, McDonagh O'Byrne Valentenko Fisher are the ones to complete our D corps.
By no means do I think this is sure fire...but from I have read and seen this is my prediction....
Here is what I see for the future.

Komiserek Markov
O'Byrne Hamerlik
Valentenko Emelin
McDonagh Fisher

Once Hamerlik's contract is up


Komiserek Markov
O'Byrne McDonagh
Valetenko Emelin
Fisher

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Also, it is the toughest position to play. Most defensemen need some time in the AHL to improve their game. A lot of the guys are between 18 and 21. So, it will take at least 3-4 years before they get a shot at the NHL.

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I think if you just edit your post and remove "sure-fire" from it, the reception you get will be much better.

Your trying to say these guys will have a chance at playing in the NHL, and your right they do.

The way we are reading it is that these guys will play in the NHL. And not all of them will, I would be suprised (and happy) if more then 3 play regularily in the NHL.

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Every team has a bunch of prospects at every position. Montreal is no different. If some of them break through and prove they need to be in the NHL, then adjustments are made. Until any of them do, this is all moot. There isn't a "Price" among them who should be handed a place on the team for the greater good.

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Buddy I am just asking I am not a HOMMER, you do not like what I posted do not post on it.
Whos this HOMMER guy? Did we draft him or did we deal for him? Is he any good? Why didnt anyone inform me of this pl;ayer? Why am i asking so many questions? When will i stop asking ques...

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Someone been listening to PJ Stock a wee bit too much?

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Looking at our defensive prospect we have I am wondering what will happen with some of them that have talent but there will be no room with the BIG TEAM.

With 3 players that are set in the postion ie: Komisarek, Markov because of 5 year contract and Hamrlik same as Markov who sticks with the team in a couple of years and what do you do with the others?

Here are the guys:

Alexei Emelin
Ryan McDonagh
David Fischer
Ryan O'Byrne
Cameron Cepek
Joe Stejskal
Niklas Torp
Pavel Valentenko
Yannick Weber
Mathieu Carle
P.K. Subban
Konstantin Korneev
Philippe Paquet
Scott Kishel

We all know that the sure fire guys to have a crack at the NHL are McDonagh, O Byrne, Valentenko, Weber, Carle, Subban,Emelin and Fischer .

What would you do?
Out of these guys; McDo, O'byrne, Valentenko, Carle, Webber, Emelin & Subban are, IMO, the most probable candidate to crack the NHL, therefore, all other D prospect are tradable. With Markov, Komi (hopefully), Hamrlik sign long term, my guess is that we would need only two or three prospects. My guess would be to Keep:

McDo, (a lot of promises from this blue chip)
O'byrne, (too close to the NHL to be traded, should be usefull next season)
Subban, (is great attitude and strong desire are asset that you can't teach, could be interesting)
Weber or Carle (Keep them just in case, Weber is doing great for is age and Carle is from Quebec and seems to do a fine job in AHL)

Basically, most of them can be traded in order to complete a trade, I don't mind and if the return is awesome, I would be ready to trade O'byrne (you have to give to receive). The future seems bright in this area, in the next couple of years, we could have:
Markov - O'Byrne
Komi - Streit/Subban/Webber
Hamrlik - McDo/Carle


Hence, it would suggest that we could part with: Bouillon, Dandy, Brisebois
If wmore experience is needed, I would think about resigning Streit, Bouillon or Gorges for the right price and to fill the 5, 6 or 7th spot

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We may have a problem, at least on a contract matter, in the next few years, especially on the right side. Say in 2 or 3 years, we might have to choose 3 dmen (for our hamilton team) between :

Carle
Subban
Weber
Paquet
Fischer
Cepek

(Korneev will probably never come to north america and O'byrne will be in the NHL)

I guess we could decide not to sign Cepek and send Paquet to the ECHL (even though I am not sure it's the best for his development)

Also, I just don't see our organization keeping three similar dmen (Carle, Subban and Weber) on the same side for the same team...

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Out of these guys; McDo, O'byrne, Valentenko, Carle, Webber, Emelin & Subban are, IMO, the most probable candidate to crack the NHL, therefore, all other D prospect are tradable. With Markov, Komi (hopefully), Hamrlik sign long term, my guess is that we would need only two or three prospects. My guess would be to Keep:

McDo, (a lot of promises from this blue chip)
O'byrne, (too close to the NHL to be traded, should be usefull next season)
Subban, (is great attitude and strong desire are asset that you can't teach, could be interesting)
Weber or Carle (Keep them just in case, Weber is doing great for is age and Carle is from Quebec and seems to do a fine job in AHL)

Basically, most of them can be traded in order to complete a trade, I don't mind and if the return is awesome, I would be ready to trade O'byrne (you have to give to receive). The future seems bright in this area, in the next couple of years, we could have:
Markov - O'Byrne
Komi - Streit/Subban/Webber
Hamrlik - McDo/Carle


Hence, it would suggest that we could part with: Bouillon, Dandy, Brisebois
If wmore experience is needed, I would think about resigning Streit, Bouillon or Gorges for the right price and to fill the 5, 6 or 7th spot
Trading any of them right now would be completely useless as they're not even close to be making the NHL.
Other than O'Byrne who should be a regular upon his return, maybe Emelin has a long shot but his future is still unknown.

So none of the other players will interest any club. Nobody is gonna trade for prospects that are 3-4 years out of the NHL.

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none of them are even close to sure-fire. Only 2-3 have a decent chance of making it.

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We all know that the sure fire guys to have a crack at the NHL are McDonagh, O Byrne, Valentenko, Weber, Carle, Subban,Emelin and Fischer .

What would you do?
Seems you're taking a lot of heat for using the phrase 'sure fire', but I think you are right that the above guys are all solid, legitimate NHL prospects. The Habs definitely have a lot of good organizational depth at this position, so it wouldn't be a shock if Gainey somehow managed to use that depth to bring in a good 4th D-man for the playoff run. I could see trading Fischer or Subban because I think that, other than O'Byrne and McDonaugh, they would have the most name value around the league. Emelin's status is questionable, so not likely that interesting to other teams. Bottom line, if Gainey could swap a prospect not named McDonaugh or O'Byrne + a pick to get a solid defencemen in return [RH shot esp., i.e. Z. Michalek, Zidlicky], I would be happy. Unfortunately, with parity being what it is, moves are going to be few, and a lot of teams will be vying for the same players.

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Buddy I am just asking I am not a HOMMER, you do not like what I posted do not post on it. Go comment on the other bogus posts out there. This is an honest question.

I picked the guys that have a possibility at the NHL and not a player that will be the next Bobby Orr!
man .. you said and I quote:

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We all know that the sure fire guys to have a crack at the NHL are McDonagh, O Byrne, Valentenko, Weber, Carle, Subban,Emelin and Fischer
We all know? I don't know those guys are sure-fire. None of them are sure-fire. You made a false statement. If you believe the statement, you are clearly a homer.

I don't think you know what sure-fire means. If that is the case, I apologize.

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Realistically, in 5 years Markov and Hammer are set to become UFAs. Komisarek is the team captain and isnt going anywhere. Gorges, Bouillon, Brisebois, Streit and Dandenault are all out of Montreal.

Alexei Emelin - is in Russia
Ryan McDonagh - is part of our top-6 in Montreal
David Fischer - is a bust, playing for another team's farm
Ryan O'Byrne - is part of our top-6 in Montreal
Cameron Cepek - can't cut it in the ECHL
Joe Stejskal - is just out of college, playing in the ECHL
Niklas Torp - came over, and went back to Sweden
Pavel Valentenko - went back to Russia after 2 yrs in the AHL
Yannick Weber - has been dealt in a deadline deal
Mathieu Carle - is a borderline AHL/NHL defender.. could be on the team soon
P.K. Subban - is a borderline AHL/NHL defender.. could be on the team soon
Konstantin Korneev - is in Russia
Philippe Paquet - is a career AHLer
Scott Kishel - is just out of college, playing in the ECHL

So we'd have:

Mike Komisarek - team captain and #1 defender
Andrei Markov - PP specialist
Roman Hamrlik - on his last legs
Ryan O'Byrne - is about what Komi is right now in 07-08
Ryan McDonagh - is about what O'B is right now in 07-08
2 *free agents/trades* - lots can happen in 5 years.....
PK Subban and Mathieu Carle - Probably will both crack the top-7 in Montreal with Hamrlik, Markov out and whatever happens with the other two *free agents/trades* ...

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i hate when people call Fischer a bust... we all knew he was a long term project... he will turn 20 years old in a month, way to early to call him a bust.

I hope he will prove you wrong in the next 4 years.

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