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01-22-2008, 03:47 AM
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Rank our defense..

Not necessarely based on this season:

My try:

1) Sergei Zubov
2) Philippe Boucher
3) Matt Niskanen
4) Niklas Grossman
5) Mattias Norström
6) Stephane Robidas
7) Trevor Daley
8) Mark Fristic

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01-22-2008, 05:04 AM
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1) Sergei Zubov
2) Stephane Robidas
3) Philippe Boucher
4) Mattias Norström
5) Matt Niskanen
6) Trevor Daley
7) Niklas Grossman
8) Mark Fristic

Zubov is unquestionably the man. Robidas is horribly underrated and it doesn't suprise me you had him sixth. Boucher is nice, Norstrom is nice, I'm not quite sold on Niskanen and Grossman as being better than those top four. Daley is talented but just has too many "d'oh!" moments, and Fistric is barely even a Dallas Stars defenseman.

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01-22-2008, 10:21 AM
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1) Sergei Zubov
2) Philippe Boucher
3) Mattias Norström
4) Matt Niskanen
5) Stephane Robidas
6) Niklas Grossman
7) Trevor Daley
8) Mark Fristic

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01-22-2008, 10:25 AM
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As far as how they're playing right now, this season... (or who I'd want out there with the game on the line, in descending order)

1) Zubov
2) Niskanen
3) Robidas
4) Grossman
5) Boucher
6) Fistric
7) Daley
8) Norstrom

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01-22-2008, 12:07 PM
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this is how I feel they rank in terms of overall talent, and defensive ability.

1) Zubov
2) Boucher
3) Robidas
4) Norstrom
5) Niskanen
6) Daley
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7) Grossman
8) Fistric

I agree with cotton that Robidas is way under-rated, and I would trust him in our own end as time runs out killing off a penalty over anyone on the team (even including Zubov). Norstrom has really lost a step and I came very close to ranking Niskanen higher then him, but I have a feeling he will rebound and start playing up to his salary as the year goes on and we enter playoffs. Daley has been a dissapointment, but is still a solid depth defenceman by 90% of the other teams standards. Grossman and Fistric are still learning the game (along with Niskanen) and haven't really shown the progression to be ranked with our other established defenceman yet.

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01-22-2008, 12:17 PM
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1. Zubov
2. Boucher
3. Niskanen
4. Norstrom
5. Daley
6. Grossman
7. Robidas
8. Fistric

I know everybody loves his work ethic and his attitude, but the fact of the matter is that Robidas isn't that good. Despite Daley's poor play lately, I think Robidas is the one that sits when everybody gets healthy.

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01-22-2008, 02:53 PM
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1) Zubov
2)Boucher
3) Niskanen
4) Robidas
5) Grossman
6) Norstrom
7) Daley
8) Fistric

By the way cool avatar piqued

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01-22-2008, 07:20 PM
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1) Zubov
2) Boucher
3) Niskanen
4) Robidas
5) Grossman
6) Norstrom
7) Daley
8) Fistric

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01-22-2008, 07:28 PM
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I am not sure just what I am missing but, except for about the last four games or so, I don't see what Norstrom does. I do say that he seems to have picked it up a bit lately so maybe he is coming around. I also think Robi is totally a valuable asset.

1 - Zubov
2 - Boucher
3 - Niskanen
4 - Robidas
5 - Grossman
6 - Norstrom
7 - Daily
8 - Fistric

The only reason I ranked Daily and Fistric this way is because of Fistric's lack of experience. If Fistric had been playing all season I probably would have those two reversed. I think Mark is going to turn out to be a talented D man.

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01-22-2008, 07:46 PM
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Ranking it just for this season so far.
  1. Zubov
  2. Grossman Has been the second most consistent defenseman in his own zone and has made less mistakes then Norstrom. I still don't want to rank his this high, but there's no one else I can put just based on this season.
  3. Niskanen. Has had his share of mistakes in his own zon, especially in his front of the net awareness. Since he's been inconsistent like most of the defense core, but that's because he's a rookie, he'll be ranked ahead since he's done alot more in other areas(offensively) to make up for some of the mistakes.
  4. Boucher If he was healthy he'd be #2 most likely. Dropping Grossman down to #3 and Niskanen down to #4.
  5. Robidas He sucks at times in his own zone, while I don't think he's that good it's a toss up with him and Norstrom.
  6. Norstrom He's been better lately, but he's still making too many mistakes for a veteran defenseman. He doesn't go from post to post, instead he goes and chases behind the net and takes himself out of position. A Veteran should know that, he doesn't, Grossman does.
  7. Fistric
  8. Daley I'd like to know why he chases the play so much when he's paired with a veteran. He has done better playing on the right side, but he still is only a average third pairing defenseman at this point.


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01-30-2008, 06:24 PM
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-The Zubov effect-

Was wondering how Niskanen looks like now that Zubov was away for a few games? I've seen Jovanovski make Travis Roche look like a pretty darn good defender when he was paired with him.

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Niskanen's been fine without Zubov, but it's what I expected in his first NHL season.
With Zubov it just focuses on Niskanen's strengths on defending its why he's alot better with him, but he'll be fine.

Without Zubov, he has had to do some more clearing the net, and not just defending whoever has the puck(which he's been quite good at on the season. Ironically, playing with Norstrom it should be better, but it's not.


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-The Zubov effect-

Was wondering how Niskanen looks like now that Zubov was away for a few games? I've seen Jovanovski make Travis Roche look like a pretty darn good defender when he was paired with him.
The whole team looks awful without Sergei Zubov (insert Norris plug here ...), but Niskanen didn't just completely fall off the map or anything.

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1. Zubov
2. Fistric
3. Fistric
4. Fistric
5. Fistric
6. Fistric
7. Fistric
8. Fistric


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01-31-2008, 12:47 AM
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Niskanen's been fine without Zubov, but it's what I expected in his first NHL season.
With Zubov it just focuses on Niskanen's strengths on defending its why he's alot better with him, but he'll be fine.
Agreed.

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1) Sergei Zubov
2) Matt Niskanen
3) Philippe Boucher
4) Stephane Robidas
5) Niklas Grossman
6) Trevor Daley
7) Mattias Norström
8) Mark Fristic

I just think the age and how quick Nisk is learning ranks him 2nd on the team. Boucher is a ? at the moment and who knows when he will return. When he does he is not going to be 100%.

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When he does he is not going to be 100%.
That's what I'm most concerned about. How good is he REALLY going to be once he does return?

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Boucher's going to be closer to 100% then you think. Maybe 90%.
He'll be better then he was before the surgery on this season.

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zubov
boucher
grossman
niskanen
daley
robidas
fistric (would be higher but we havent seen much of him)
norstrom

yes i really believe norstrom has been the stars worst dman for the majority of the season

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Norstrom isn't the thing that surprises me out of your's txomisc. It's that you have Grossman ahead of Niskanen.

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It's that you have Grossman ahead of Niskanen.
Grossman has been more consistent in his own zone then Niskanen, so it's not really any surprise.

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Grossman has been more consistent in his own zone then Niskanen, so it's not really any surprise.
I have a thing for Nisky so maybe that's why.

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In a couple years once Niskanen improvoes his defense a bit, then maybe I'd rank him above Grossman, either way once Zubov retires which he can honestly keep playing for 8 more years, they will be #1 and #2.

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Norstrom isn't the thing that surprises me out of your's txomisc. It's that you have Grossman ahead of Niskanen.
Niskanen is more apt to be shaky than Grossman. Grossman rarely makes defensive mistakes whereas Niskanen does. Obviously Niskanen is much better offensively and has potential to be an awesome offsensive dman, but Grossman has the potential to be a high level shutdown dman. I like both alot. I also like Fistric alot.

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I remember watching Fistric in Vancouver and thinking man, this kid is going to have a long NHL career. Nothing fancy, just a big kid with good mobility and defensive skills.

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