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01-24-2008, 08:50 PM
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youngest norris winner

Who and what age are the youngest players to win the norris.

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01-24-2008, 09:01 PM
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Bobby Orr at age 20 is surely the youngest

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1954: Red Kelly, 26
1955: Doug Harvey, 30
1956: Doug Harvey, 31
1957: Doug Harvey, 32
1958: Doug Harvey, 33
1959: Tom Johnson, 31
1960: Doug Harvey, 35
1961: Doug Harvey, 36
1962: Doug Harvey, 37
1963: Pierre Pilote, 31
1964: Pierre Pilote, 32
1965: Pierre Pilote, 33
1966: Jacques Laperriere, 24
1967: Harry Howell, 34
1968: Bobby Orr, 20
1969: Bobby Orr, 21
1970: Bobby Orr, 22
1971: Bobby Orr, 23
1972: Bobby Orr, 24
1973: Bobby Orr, 25
1974: Bobby Orr, 26
1975: Bobby Orr, 27
1976: Denis Potvin, 22
1977: Larry Robinson, 26
1978: Denis Potvin, 24
1979: Denis Potvin, 25
1980: Larry Robinson, 29
1981: Randy Carlyle, 24
1982: Doug Wilson, 24
1983: Rod Langway, 25
1984: Rod Langway, 26
1985: Paul Coffey, 23
1986: Paul Coffey, 24
1987: Ray Bourque, 26
1988: Ray Bourque, 27
1989: Chris Chelios, 27
1990: Ray Bourque, 29
1991: Ray Bourque, 30
1992: Brian Leetch, 24
1993: Chris Chelios, 31
1994: Ray Bourque, 33
1995: Paul Coffey, 33
1996: Chris Chelios, 34
1997: Brian Leetch, 29
1998: Rob Blake, 28
1999: Al MacInnis, 35
2000: Chris Pronger, 25
2001: Nicklas Lidstrom, 30
2002: Nicklas Lidstrom, 31
2003: Nicklas Lidstrom, 32
2004: Scott Niedermayer, 30
2006: Nicklas Lidstrom, 35
2007: Nicklas Lidstrom, 36

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01-25-2008, 12:16 AM
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Thanks for that list

Aside from orr look at potvin at age 22 with the norris win

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01-25-2008, 12:31 AM
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Thanks for that list

Aside from orr look at potvin at age 22 with the norris win
If not for Orr he might have won younger as well.

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01-25-2008, 12:43 AM
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Interesting that we've never had a 40yr old win yet. I wonder how much longer it will be before someone breaks that barrier. I'd love to think Lidstrom would do it, but it's hard to believe some of the younger guys won't break through by then. That or people will just be tired of voting for him in 3 years.

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01-25-2008, 12:59 AM
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How would they be tired of voting for lidstrom, they like just checking the box marked lidstrom and focus on other trophy watches.

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The scary thing is, is that Orr could have won it when he was 19 as well

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Interesting that we've never had a 40yr old win yet. I wonder how much longer it will be before someone breaks that barrier.
We've only just (last 15-20 years) entered an era where fitness and health maintenance allows somebody to stay dominant for that long. With the exception of the odd Niedermayer or Zubov-type player, nobody is better at 35 than they were at 25, so you're stuck in a situation where somebody winning at 40 must have been dominant for 15+ seasons already.

If we see a 40-year old Norris winner, it will either be during a lousy era for defensemen or it will be somebody winning their 16th or 17th Norris. I hope it's the latter.

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We've only just (last 15-20 years) entered an era where fitness and health maintenance allows somebody to stay dominant for that long. With the exception of the odd Niedermayer or Zubov-type player, nobody is better at 35 than they were at 25, so you're stuck in a situation where somebody winning at 40 must have been dominant for 15+ seasons already.

If we see a 40-year old Norris winner, it will either be during a lousy era for defensemen or it will be somebody winning their 16th or 17th Norris. I hope it's the latter.
He's not even 35 yet.

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01-25-2008, 02:40 AM
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Actually, how old exactly was Harvey when he won his last Norris? I'm curious as to whether he or Lidstrom will be the oldest Norris winner if Lidstrom wins it this season.

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Actually, how old exactly was Harvey when he won his last Norris? I'm curious as to whether he or Lidstrom will be the oldest Norris winner if Lidstrom wins it this season.
Harvey was 37 when he won the '62 Norris.

Nick will be 38 when he picks up #6.

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I think they should give the Norris to Chelios next year, just so we could see a player win one 20 years after he won his first.

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1955: Doug Harvey, 30
1956: Doug Harvey, 31
1957: Doug Harvey, 32
1958: Doug Harvey, 33
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1960: Doug Harvey, 35
1961: Doug Harvey, 36
1962: Doug Harvey, 37
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1968: Bobby Orr, 20
1969: Bobby Orr, 21
1970: Bobby Orr, 22
1971: Bobby Orr, 23
1972: Bobby Orr, 24
1973: Bobby Orr, 25
1974: Bobby Orr, 26
1975: Bobby Orr, 27
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1987: Ray Bourque, 26
1988: Ray Bourque, 27
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1990: Ray Bourque, 29
1991: Ray Bourque, 30
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1994: Ray Bourque, 33
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2001: Nicklas Lidstrom, 30
2002: Nicklas Lidstrom, 31
2003: Nicklas Lidstrom, 32

2006: Nicklas Lidstrom, 35
2007: Nicklas Lidstrom, 36
Well, here are the greatest defensemen of each decade (I'm missing the mid- 60s, but which D-man was dominant in the 60s? Emile Bouchard?)

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Well, here are the greatest defensemen of each decade (I'm missing the mid- 60s, but which D-man was dominant in the 60s? Emile Bouchard?)
Pilote in the mid 60's. Bouchard didn't play in the 60's & was never dominant when he did play.

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Interesting that there really wans't any single dominant defenseman from '75 to '86. Just too many great ones in there.

You could probably carry the list backwardas well all the way to Eddie Shore.

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Pilote in the mid 60's. Bouchard didn't play in the 60's & was never dominant when he did play.
Dominant is Pilote -- you can make a good argument with some other guys as the best player, though. Many great D's only played part of the '60 (Orr, Harvey), or were now veterans getting older (Horton), or just not of Pilote calibre (Howell)

The Best Habs D from the '60 was Jacques Laperriere. JC Tremblay is a close second, and you can make at point that Talbot had the best season amongst Habs D-Men in that era (was it 59-60 or 60-61?)

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Guessing you mean 1961-62:

1959-60: 1-14-15 69PIM (69 games)
1960-61: 5-26-31 143PIM (70 games)
1961-62: 5-42-47 90PIM (70 games)

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Harvey was 37 when he won the '62 Norris.

Nick will be 38 when he picks up #6.
I wouldn't pencil Lidstrom in just yet.

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I wouldn't pencil Lidstrom in just yet.
Pencils have erasers. I'm using a big fat Sharpie.

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I wouldn't pencil Lidstrom in just yet.
Lidstrom is running away with it at this point.

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I'd love to know who you think is going to beat Lidstrom out for it over the last 30 games.

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I'd love to know who you think is going to beat Lidstrom out for it over the last 30 games.
Maybe bilros can get that teleporter of his working to figure out how Bobby Orr would fare.

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I dunno whats worse, Crosby homers or Lidstrom homers...
Do you have anything substantial to offer besides insults? Such as, for instance, actual names of players who are going to challenge Lidstrom, who is double-digit points ahead of everyone except his obviously inferior teammate and Sergei Gonchar, and who has more than double the +/- of any other defenseman in the NHL? Obviously stats arn't everything, but when you are blowing every other defenseman in the league away statistically, are arguably the best defensive player, and are the leader of the NHL's best team, it's going to take one hell of a convincing argument to beat you.

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