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01-27-2008, 03:42 PM
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Proposal

To St Louis:

Mats Sundin

To Toronto

Mayers
Oshie
1st in 08

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01-27-2008, 03:46 PM
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To St Louis:

Mats Sundin

To Toronto

Mayers
Oshie
1st in 08
This is exactly the type of proposal that the Blues wouldnt even think about at this time we are in a rebuild and should not give away any of our top prospects or picks for an older player like Sundin at this point.

I do think he will net the Leafs a very good return if he is moved. It just doesnt make sence for the Blues at this point.

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To St Louis:

Mats Sundin

To Toronto

Mayers
Oshie
1st in 08
Sundin is OLD! Do you really believe that The rebuilding-youth-oriented-"build from within" Blues would be willing to give up OSHIE AND a #1 draft choice in this great 2008 Draft (not even mentioning the valuable versatile Mayers).

First of all....The Blues are not very likely to even sneak into this season's playoffs. But even IF they were to do so, even with Sundin helping their general offence and power play, -they still would have virtually NO chance to win The Stanley Cup (they just don't have the overall line depth, ability to score well in the tighter playoff hockey, and the defence to win more than one series. It would be foolhardy to give up TWO young players that could help them for 10-15 years (Oshie and #1) to be a little better (for maybe 2 years) and creep into the playoffs this season. Even if it were a "sign and trade (3-year contract)", there's no way they make such a trade.

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01-27-2008, 03:56 PM
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If the Blues were in a cup contending position, and Sundin was the final piece, I'd do it. But they're rebuilding, so no go. Oshie is a large part of this team's future at forward, along with Berglund, Eller, and Perron. Mayers is here to stay too, unless there's an offer too good to pass up.

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01-27-2008, 04:24 PM
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Sundin isn't waiving his NMC to come to St. Louis. The Blues certainly aren't dealing Oshie and a 1st for a rental to try and make the playoffs, especially since they're quite likely to go out in the 1st round if they get there.

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01-27-2008, 04:27 PM
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01-27-2008, 06:12 PM
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Oshie is the future of our franchise. He is the next Doug Gilmour. Any offer for him should start with a huge overpayment.

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01-27-2008, 07:19 PM
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No way. Even if we managed to make the top 8, management wouldn't move T.J. just for a rental. If we get rolling (and lucky) and take the 8th spot, the rental added would be a virtual no-name scoring forward traded for a late pick or an under-performing player, imo.

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01-27-2008, 08:22 PM
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I think it's a very fair trade and if the circumstances were diffrent I'd do it.

#1 - Blues are rebuilding and it makes no sense for us to trade the future for just a playoff spot.

#2 - If were gearing up for a long playoff run, Mayers would be an intergral part of that team no way he gets dealt.

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01-27-2008, 10:00 PM
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Oof!

That's all I can say....horrid deal for a team in the Blues' shoes.(hey, that rhymes! )

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01-27-2008, 10:44 PM
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To St Louis:

Mats Sundin

To Toronto

Mayers
Oshie
1st in 08
If you called the Blues and proposed that trade, all you would hear is this: *Click*

That's the Blues hanging up the phone...

Not a chance we make that trade.

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01-28-2008, 01:28 PM
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it sounds like a bad deal for the blues but lets look a little deeper. sundin is a proven player while oshie is not. he seems to has issues too. first he wont sign and now he getting in trouble at school. i wouldnt give up my first in addition to oshie but if they would take jackman and salvador instead of the first and give us raycroft and bell i would seriously consider it. so the trade i propose is oshie, salvador, jackman, and mayers to toronto for sundin, bell, and raycroft. it would give us 2 scoring lines and a good backup goalie behind legace. this would get us in the playoffs even if wedont win the cup i think this is most fans want a competitive that makes the playoffs. aother thing this would do is put money in the teams pocket by playoff revenue and gives us extra cash to go after free agents like hossa and others,

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No chance in hell of happening.

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01-28-2008, 01:38 PM
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hahaha wow your not very bright are you? Oshie is coming to the Blues at the end of his season at UND in place of M.Johnson. We'll probably will probably use Glumac in Rucinsky's place since he is most likely gone as well. So Oshie is staying, Mayers is staying. simply that.

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01-28-2008, 06:52 PM
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it sounds like a bad deal for the blues but lets look a little deeper. sundin is a proven player while oshie is not. he seems to has issues too. first he wont sign and now he getting in trouble at school. i wouldnt give up my first in addition to oshie but if they would take jackman and salvador instead of the first and give us raycroft and bell i would seriously consider it. so the trade i propose is oshie, salvador, jackman, and mayers to toronto for sundin, bell, and raycroft. it would give us 2 scoring lines and a good backup goalie behind legace. this would get us in the playoffs even if wedont win the cup i think this is most fans want a competitive that makes the playoffs. aother thing this would do is put money in the teams pocket by playoff revenue and gives us extra cash to go after free agents like hossa and others,
Done Deal.

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01-28-2008, 07:19 PM
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Fan in Oregon does not represent the majority view.

No one I talk to wants the Blues to return to their "always make the playoffs, always lose" status. Oshie is a very key part of the Blues' future and I frankly don't want a 38 year old Sundin. He would not help this team longterm.

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01-28-2008, 08:18 PM
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To St Louis:

Mats Sundin

To Toronto

Mayers
Oshie
1st in 08

I actually expect that type of return will be had to Sundin. I just dont think it will be the Blues making the trade. At this point, unless Sundin was signing a 2 year deal, I just can't see the Blues bringing in a rental this year.

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01-28-2008, 08:26 PM
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it sounds like a bad deal for the blues but lets look a little deeper. sundin is a proven player while oshie is not. he seems to has issues too. first he wont sign and now he getting in trouble at school. i wouldnt give up my first in addition to oshie but if they would take jackman and salvador instead of the first and give us raycroft and bell i would seriously consider it. so the trade i propose is oshie, salvador, jackman, and mayers to toronto for sundin, bell, and raycroft. it would give us 2 scoring lines and a good backup goalie behind legace. this would get us in the playoffs even if wedont win the cup i think this is most fans want a competitive that makes the playoffs. aother thing this would do is put money in the teams pocket by playoff revenue and gives us extra cash to go after free agents like hossa and others,
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Fan in Oregon does not represent the majority view.
With the "logic" presented above, God no he doesn't. Not on this one, not by a LONG stretch.

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01-28-2008, 08:38 PM
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Just out of morbid curiosity, why did you include Mayers in this proposal?

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01-28-2008, 08:45 PM
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Just out of morbid curiosity, why did you include Mayers in this proposal?
Probably because he's under contract, is a fan favorite, a potential leader, and is from Toronto. If you're trading a guy like Sundin, you probably want a warm body to stick in the lineup, too. That's actually the only part of the trade that makes any sense.

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Probably because he's under contract, is a fan favorite, a potential leader, and is from Toronto. If you're trading a guy like Sundin, you probably want a warm body to stick in the lineup, too. That's actually the only part of the trade that makes any sense.
The first three things you mention are excellent reasons to keep Mayers in St. Louis. Why would the Blues trade someone under those circumstances?

If the Leafs need Roster-filla then why not look at a roster player Ryan Johnson?

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The first three things you mention are excellent reasons to keep Mayers in St. Louis. Why would the Blues trade someone under those circumstances?

If the Leafs need Roster-filla then why not look at a roster player Ryan Johnson?
Neither are expendable.

They want roster filler, how about McClement. He's worthless.

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The first three things you mention are excellent reasons to keep Mayers in St. Louis. Why would the Blues trade someone under those circumstances?

If the Leafs need Roster-filla then why not look at a roster player Ryan Johnson?
I agree. But you have to give something to get something. I was just suggesting why a Leafs' fan might put Mayers into the proposal and how that actually makes more sense than Oshie or a first.

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My father is a Leafs fan and for years he's been mentioning how much he liked Mayers and would like to see him in Toronto too.

I don't get it, I think Leafs Nation have an elevated opinion of Mayers but then again I like Jammer quite a lot.

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