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01-28-2008, 02:19 PM
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Is it in our interest to make a splash at the trade deadline?

Just wanted to take a poll and see what Blues fans thoughts are on the trade deadline.

buyers? sellers?

and trade chips.

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01-28-2008, 02:24 PM
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Only if there is a steal trade a la Boyes/Wideman. IF The Blues can package together assets they don't need so much, for something they need badly, like a YOUNG #1 centre, or a relatively young offensive defenceman, either of whom could help the team for 8-10 years, then they should do it. Otherwise, no splash.


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01-28-2008, 02:33 PM
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Trade off all UFA, except for Salvador. (I want RJ back...so JD should make him an offer now or trade him so we get some prospect or draft pick for him).

I would like to make the playoff, but if we do or we don't, I still want to be sellers come 30 days from now.
Because we will not be winning the Stanley Cup this year...reagardless who we get at the deadline...so many issues to fix on this team...which is fine because we are in the 2nd year of rebuilding.

But we should not be buyers...unless it is a steal like Robb said above...Boyes/Wideman OR unless the player can help in future years without giving much up.

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01-28-2008, 03:03 PM
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Only if there is a steal trade a la Boyes/Wideman. IF The Blues can package together assets they don't need so much, like a YOUNG #1 centre, or a relatively young offensive defenceman, either of whom could help the team for 8-10 years, then they should do it. Otherwise, no splash.
I agree 100% I could see them being sellers possibly though, depending on if they get their **** together or not.

Did anyone else see Chaser on either channel 4 or 5 news last night? He basically said that this team isnt playing with the same intensity as they were earlier in the year and that is the maim problem and someone in the room needs to start calling players out for giving half assed efforts.

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01-28-2008, 03:16 PM
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Did anyone else see Chaser on either channel 4 or 5 news last night? He basically said that this team isnt playing with the same intensity as they were earlier in the year and that is the maim problem and someone in the room needs to start calling players out for giving half assed efforts.
The one thing I feared we would miss in trading Weight.

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01-28-2008, 03:18 PM
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The one thing I feared we would miss in trading Weight.
Fair point, Doug Weight has always been a leader and whoever it is now, I think it is Tkachuk has shown no leadership during this bad streak.

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01-28-2008, 04:59 PM
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Sellers.........

I want a top ten pick. As many first rounders as we can get.

25 years of playoffs have done nothing for us.

Build slowly until the time is right to go for it. I am very patient. 40 years of patience.

Although Hossa would look nice in a Bluenote next year...........

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01-28-2008, 05:01 PM
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sellers. No more mixed messages. making the playoffs this year is not the goal. Figuring out what pieces work and what pieces don't is.

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Just had a quick question...when will Lars Eller be ready to play in the NHL?

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01-28-2008, 05:41 PM
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Just had a quick question...when will Lars Eller be ready to play in the NHL?
I'm going to guess '09-'10, but another year later is also possible.

Regarding trade deadline, the Blues should be clear sellers of anybody they won't/can't resign. I'm in favor of certain sideways moves, but mostly ones that will bring an offensive defenseman or, more importantly, some younger leadership. A sign & trade deal that sends Jackman in a package for Jokinen, just for example.

I'd like to see them deal at least two of Jackman, Backman, and Salvador, but I'd be pretty happy with re-signing Salvador or keeping Backman, particularly if the market is rough and nobody is biting. Between RJ and Hinote, I'd like to see them deal Hinote and re-sign RJ, but I'd be okay if they traded him.

I will not be disappointed if they keep Jackman, especially if they swing some other nice deals. Jackman was very good last season and I don't want to give up on him when he could return to form. I just think it's time to move on and get some return on him before he gets injured again. If he does well elsewhere, I wouldn't regret the move.

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01-28-2008, 05:42 PM
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Just had a quick question...when will Lars Eller be ready to play in the NHL?
I would say 2009.

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01-28-2008, 05:53 PM
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Just had a quick question...when will Lars Eller be ready to play in the NHL?
I would guess that he'll be ready by 2009-10. But he might not play a full season in St. Louis until 2010-11 (depending upon when he decides to come to North America (and, possibly, on whether or not Murray is still the coach).

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01-28-2008, 06:10 PM
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Supposedly we need 44 of the remaining 68 points to have a shot. That's going about 22-12-0 down the stretch - to put this in perspective, we started the season 16-9-1 for 33 points in 26 games. That translates to 43.1 points in 34 games.

In other words, we'll have to do better down the stretch than we started the season ... and that's including a 9-game road trip in March. Anyone else look at this team and see 22-12-0 in the future with that 9-game road streak after the deadline? I don't.

Barring an 8-game winning streak coming out of the All-Star break, we're sellers at the deadline.

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Sadly, we're sellers. Like IB stated, we would need a 8 or 9 game push immediately after the break if we want a shot, If we some how get some leadership and get our butts in gear, then sweet, if not, well crap happens. What really ticks me off though is when people say, even if we made the playoffs, we wouldn't win the cup. Who expected the Ducks to win last year? Or the Canes the year before? Hardly anyone. Almost everyone expected Edmonton to beat the Canes. Most people couldn't imagine the Ducks making it to the finals, and surely not winning it all. If the Blues make the playoffs, it all depends on how hot Legace gets and how strong our offense is. We've seen our boys do a lot more than expected, ex. shutting out the Wings. Columbus could make the freaking playoffs and end up winning it. You just never know, so quit saying, were not going do it, because you do know.

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01-28-2008, 06:25 PM
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This is nothing to really be "sad about".

We are in stage 2 of our rebuilding. If Oshie went down with a career knee injury or Berglund got hit with a crushing hit that ended his career..that would be "sad".

Though it stinks now...We are much better off once this season is over to be at the bottom of the league. Top 10 draft pick again!!!

Next season is the season we should be really excited for anyway.

The Blues gave us great hopes in Oct-Dec. Which wasn't a bad thing...it shows what this team is really capable of once we get a lot of the missing pieces in there in the next couple of years.

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At the beginning of the season, you could have asked any fan or any player is we were playoff ready, 99.99% of their answers would have been yes. If you asked them if they thought we were going to make the playoffs, again, yes. So it is kind of sad that chances are, due to poor decisions but Coach Murray and poor play by players, were not going to make it. Yeah, its kind of sad.

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01-28-2008, 06:40 PM
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There was an old poll on this. If I recall most thought we may be on the fringe and come up just short or barely squeak in. I've had my doubts and think we may as well make a few moves for next year. I contend with my statement from the first time he donned the note. I would like to see Brewer moved for a similar player. Overpaid and in need of a change of scenery.

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01-28-2008, 06:45 PM
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What really ticks me off though is when people say, even if we made the playoffs, we wouldn't win the cup. Who expected the Ducks to win last year? Or the Canes the year before? Hardly anyone.
Actually, the Ducks were favored by quite a number of people - including Sports Illustrated. You're right about the Hurricanes ... but in January, 2006 they were looking strong; Edmonton added Roloson at the deadline and went on a run from there. In January, 2008 the Blues are stumbling along and I don't see how adding just one player makes this team suddenly a playoff team and capable of a magical Cup run.

Edmonton was a major exception, not the rule. Hoping we can limp into the #8 spot and do the same thing is asking a lot; it's asking a lot of many teams struggling to climb back into playoff contention.

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Actually, the Ducks were favored by quite a number of people - including Sports Illustrated. You're right about the Hurricanes ... but in January, 2006 they were looking strong; Edmonton added Roloson at the deadline and went on a run from there. In January, 2008 the Blues are stumbling along and I don't see how adding just one player makes this team suddenly a playoff team and capable of a magical Cup run.

Edmonton was a major exception, not the rule. Hoping we can limp into the #8 spot and do the same thing is asking a lot; it's asking a lot of many teams struggling to climb back into playoff contention.
I know the chances of crawling back into the playoff run is slim. but its still possible and as long as its possible, im pushing for it. It just bugs me when people keep saying, your not going to do it, because you dont know.

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At the beginning of the season, you could have asked any fan or any player is we were playoff ready, 99.99% of their answers would have been yes. If you asked them if they thought we were going to make the playoffs, again, yes. So it is kind of sad that chances are, due to poor decisions but Coach Murray and poor play by players, were not going to make it. Yeah, its kind of sad.
"99.99 of their answer would have been we make the playoffs"

Wow, considering I remember AT LEAST 4-5 posters here last summer saying we probably won't make the playoffs...that 99.99% is amazing.

I understand you are disappointed. But I am excited from what I saw from this team in Oct-Dec (a team that was in last place just over a year ago). How many team are the worst team in the league and less than 2 years later are in the playoffs...especially with a new coach in his first full season??

Yeah, so sad that we won't make the playoffs only to lose to Detroit in the 1st round.

Than we could have gotten 2 home playoff games and than got to get a 16 or 17 pick in the draft instead of a 5, 6 7 or possibly 8th overall pick.

Not to mention AT LEAST 3 picks in the top 40 for Jarmo to work with. (If we don't make the playoffs)

How about the most important fact that we will NOW probably be sellers that will fetch a 1st rounder + for Jackman.

Let's say for a minute we had won our last 7 games in a row and we don't sell...if we are buyers and make a serious playoff run than we probably don't trade Jax and we risk him for the playoff run and hoping to re-sign (like we tried with Demitra, Hull, Turgeon, Young). Than we would get nothing in return for Jax and we still go out in the 1st or 2nd round.

What if we would have been in great shape last year and not been "sellers". That means we keep Tkachuck and Guerin for a playoff push...and that means NO David Perron right now. That also means NO Ian Cole (a possible Jackman like player down the road for us). And we all would probably be kicking ourselves for not selling when we exit early last spring, had we made the playoffs.

I was smiling ear to ear because we were FINALLY sellers for once and got amazing draft picks and our front office did what we needed to continue the rebuilding. Instead of staying in the Casino and going all in AKA buying.....because we "might have a shot" at nothing but a early playoff exit...JD and company sold.
Though I only wish a certain D-man was traded off for another 1st rounder.

And I will be 100% happy we sell again next month. I couldn't think of a better 2nd year to go in our rebuilding than to have a GREAT first 2 1/2 months as a team and show what we are capable of and than fall apart just before the trade deadline so we are FORCED to sell again and get another Perron and another Cole in the farm system. Rather than seeing a sweep or 5 game exit in the playoffs.

Again, this is something we should all be ear to ear. Maybe not now...but you all will be at the end of June when the draft comes along. Our future continues to get brighter and brighter!


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I know the chances of crawling back into the playoff run is slim. but its still possible and as long as its possible, im pushing for it. It just bugs me when people keep saying, your not going to do it, because you dont know.
We also don't have a Chris Pronger on our team like the 8th seeded Oilers had in 2006

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What if the teams ahead of us don't keep the same pace? We could get back in the race easily! Are we in a bad streak? Yes. Do we have questionable leadership? Yes. Are we going to be sellers? It certainly looks like it. But the fact is this: We are 5 points out of the playoffs with just under HALF THE SEASON to go. We could get back to our over-achieving ways and if a team or two ahead of us hits a rough stretch we could pass them. I'm not saying I'm counting on the postseason, I'm not saying go all out trade-wise to get there. Even if we have no chance at the playoffs, our kids would gain a lot more from at least trying to get there, rather than packing it in and going through the motions.

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We had this discussion last year when we people thought we could go something ridiculous like 15-5-0 down the stretch.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=349221

Here's what this team is up against right now:
-- Even if we win the 2 games we have in hand, we're still out of a playoff spot ... which wouldn't be so bad, except
-- 19 of the final 34 games are on the road, where we're 8-11-2 this year
-- If at home this team goes 9-6-0 [about what they've averaged so far], they'd have to go 13-6-0 on the road ... and that's assuming 22-10-0 is enough to get them in; if it takes more, the job becomes even harder.
-- That 9-game road swing in March? The Blues play Detroit, Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, San Jose, Anaheim, Montreal, Ottawa, and Chicago; there's not one easy game in that stretch outside of maybe Edmonton, who we're 1-1-1 against. Again, we're 8-11-2 on the road this season.
-- Taking what guys have done so far this season and assuming they'd play 82 games this year, we have nine (9) players who'd score 10 or more goals, and only four (4) who'd score 20 or more. One of those potential 10-goal scorers is Martin Rucinsky, who clearly won't get to 10. One of those potential 20-goal scorers is David Perron, and it's doubtful he gets 11 in the final 34 given that he has 9 goals in the first 35 games ... and that's assuming he plays all of the final 34 games.
-- We simply do not have enough scoring behind Boyes, Kariya [who's on pace for 20], and Tkachuk [who's on pace for 22] unless Stempniak, Perron, McDonald, and Backes can suddenly get on 20-25 goal pace for the 2007-08 season, not a "if they played 82 games this year" pace.
-- If this team averages only 3 goals per game down the stretch, to have a realistic chance of going 22-12-0 the team [both Legace and Toivonen] will have to have a GAA near 2.14; if they average 2.56 goals per game [what they've averaged to date], that GAA is going to have to be near 1.81.

There's optimism, and then there's reaching for the near-impossible. I'm all for being optimistic, but expecting this team to go 22-12-0 down the stretch given the things above is asking a hell of a lot out of this team - something I don't think they have in them.

I can start the playoff tracker again if anyone really thinks this team can make the playoffs, but the lack of scoring on this team has made making the playoffs tough all season long; losing the last 7 games have all but put it in the grave.

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01-28-2008, 07:47 PM
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What if the teams ahead of us don't keep the same pace? We could get back in the race easily! Are we in a bad streak? Yes. Do we have questionable leadership? Yes. Are we going to be sellers? It certainly looks like it. But the fact is this: We are 5 points out of the playoffs with just under HALF THE SEASON to go. We could get back to our over-achieving ways and if a team or two ahead of us hits a rough stretch we could pass them. I'm not saying I'm counting on the postseason, I'm not saying go all out trade-wise to get there. Even if we have no chance at the playoffs, our kids would gain a lot more from at least trying to get there, rather than packing it in and going through the motions.
I'm not saying "pack it in". I think Murray will make sure that will NEVER happen.

But just because we don't pack it in...doesn't mean we make the playoffs.

Your right we could make it...but odds are we do not.

2009 baby!!!

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This team is performing about how I expected..

A hot start
A cold december and january
Not alot of scoring


I'm expecting this team to go on a tear next month and get close to the playoffs only to fall short again - 9th or 10th. I don't see this team taking a full blown nose dive.

I'd like to see Murray maybe try sticking with a lineup for a few weeks and giving the players a chance to build some chemistry instead of mixing it up every night.

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