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01-31-2008, 01:50 PM
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Perez was lazy last year
Must have been the hf bandwagon. He was not lazy last season. He was probably the best two way forward in our team last year. Of course, people around here don’t remember the good things he was doing, that’s why when his name comes up on this board, people just call him lazy for his hooking penalties. At least he was consistently backchecking while others did not even bother.

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01-31-2008, 01:55 PM
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I think it's pretty fair to say that this team would be better if we had Perezhogin playing instead of Micheal Ryder.

Higgins-Koivu-Perezhogin ; solid defensively, awesome forechecking on both wings, not shiny of physical play, very good offensive upside... and it's not like Ryder doesn't take stupid penalties.

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01-31-2008, 01:59 PM
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Must have been the hf bandwagon. He was not lazy last season. He was probably the best two way forward in our team last year. Of course, people around here don’t remember the good things he was doing, that’s why when his name comes up on this board, people just call him lazy for his hooking penalties. At least he was consistently backchecking while others did not even bother.

Well... I never said he wasn't any good. I know he had one of the best +/- on the team and one of the best giveaways/takeaways differential too (because of his talent and speed, not because ALL because of effort)... but the penalties he took were often lazy penalties where instead of giving the effort needed, he commited an infraction.

I watched several games of his this year and he's still same ol hookeroo'

Everything is always a question of perception... I mean, people called Ryder a lazy bum too, and said he was a defensive liability, yet he finished in Mtl's top 5 for best giveaways/takeaways differential (in the right order.. more takeaways than giveaways)!

I'm not arguing over whether Perez is talented or not or if he can do the job or not. He does, 95% of the time. The problem lies in those sequences where he does bum out and act lazy which HE DOES. I wouldn't mind having him back, yet he'd have to fix this habit because it can kill your team's game. And saying OFF-THE-WALL comments (not you) that he'd be better than alot of our forwards is just ridiculous. Perez's problem is also that we already have players who play the same type of game as he does.

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I think it's pretty fair to say that this team would be better if we had Perezhogin playing instead of Micheal Ryder.

Higgins-Koivu-Perezhogin ; solid defensively, awesome forechecking on both wings, not shiny of physical play, very good offensive upside... and it's not like Ryder doesn't take stupid penalties.

I prefer Kevin, by far. But really wouldn't mind putting Perez instead of Guy on the third. Ryder-Lappy-Perez would be nice.

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01-31-2008, 02:11 PM
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but the penalties he took were often lazy penalties where instead of giving the effort needed, he commited an infraction.
Some of his penalties were based solely on his reputation among referees. The same way Pleks got a few for divings.

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01-31-2008, 02:21 PM
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I prefer Kevin, by far. But really wouldn't mind putting Perez instead of Guy on the third. Ryder-Lappy-Perez would be nice.
Ryder is garbage for me..

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Some of his penalties were based solely on his reputation among referees. The same way Pleks got a few for divings.

That's a presumtion. Not rock-solid reality, Nothing proves this and at the end of the day, Pleks never recieved THAT much diving penalties, never as much as Perez recieved hooking penalties.

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Ryder is garbage for me..
No surprise there.

You have such great arguments to uphold your opinion.

And I'm pointed as the hater and yet I can find and admit to Perez's qualities whereas.......

Perez doesn't have Ryder's shot, not by a mile.

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01-31-2008, 02:28 PM
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That's a presumtion. Not rock-solid reality, Nothing proves this and at the end of the day, Pleks never recieved THAT much diving penalties, never as much as Perez recieved hooking penalties.
Well a year ago we called it the "Perezhogin curse" because he was recieving so much undeserved penalties. He was called on everything.. remember that game he got 4 minutes because the D went crashing his face on Perezhogin's elbow? The same game he got a highsticking penalty for a clean shoulder to shoulder hit. At some point, it makes you wonder..

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No surprise there.

You have such great arguments to uphold your opinion.

And I'm pointed as the hater and yet I can find and admit to Perez's qualities whereas.......

Perez doesn't have Ryder's shot, not by a mile.
I've been arguing about Ryder's play for years... It's pretty useless now, as he already has proven me right.

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Alot of people have a problem with this, they rather have their own 'definition' to fit their false-perception of reality.

The same kinda people who think they can define players in absolutes just based on their perceived potential.

It is immature and irrealistic.
thats a good punch in the face of the 'price is the next god' crowd.
I like that !

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Either way, glad Perezhogin is not with the Habs anymore. I'll take little Kostitsyn over him any day.

And HOW ON EARTH did Sergei get the nickname "Kevin"? Am I missing something here?

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I've been arguing about Ryder's play for years... It's pretty useless now, as he already has proven me right.
Yeah, it took an average of 1 goal every 3 games to convince me

2 points every 3 games....

You haven't been proven right for anything yet...

let's dig this thread up in five years and see where this --second coming of Price, dear super Perez and the Curse of the Hunting Referees--, is up to by then.... and compare it to Ryder's carreer at that point....

Bet I'll still be awestruck by Perez super ability to hook more than Ryder can score.

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Well a year ago we called it the "Perezhogin curse" because he was recieving so much undeserved penalties. He was called on everything.. remember that game he got 4 minutes because the D went crashing his face on Perezhogin's elbow? The same game he got a highsticking penalty for a clean shoulder to shoulder hit. At some point, it makes you wonder..
Stop reading the National Enquirer.

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No surprise there.

You have such great arguments to uphold your opinion.

And I'm pointed as the hater and yet I can find and admit to Perez's qualities whereas.......

Perez doesn't have Ryder's shot, not by a mile.
Well that's great, when Ryder doesn't even use this superb shot of his.

And who cares about his shot, Perezhogin is better than Ryder at every other facet of the game.

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Well that's great, when Ryder doesn't even use this superb shot of his.

And who cares about his shot, Perezhogin is better than Ryder at every other facet of the game.
Oh that is why you diss me on the other thread with your childish and ignorant response?

Poor poor kiddy. Want a tissue??

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Yeah, it took an average of 1 goal every 3 games to convince me

2 points every 3 games....

You haven't been proven right for anything yet...

let's dig this thread up in five years and see where this --second coming of Price, dear super Perez and the Curse of the Hunting Referees--, is up to by then.... and compare it to Ryder's carreer at that point....

Bet I'll still be awestruck by Perez super ability to hook more than Ryder can score.
Dagenais could score.

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Well that's great, when Ryder doesn't even use this superb shot of his.

And who cares about his shot, Perezhogin is better than Ryder at every other facet of the game.
Ryder has much better passing skills. Bodychecks harder, and doesn't fall on his bum as often as Perez....

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Ryder has much better passing skills. Bodychecks harder, and doesn't fall on his bum as often as Perez....
Kids, don't do drugs.

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Dagenais could score.
For about 50 games....

Couldn't do not afterwards... That's the lamest comparison I've heard....

The Perez bandwagon is at it again. Doing what they do best :

You all need


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So you should stop.

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For about 50 games....

Couldn't do not afterwards... That's the lamest comparison I've heard....

The Perez bandwagon is at it again. Doing what they do best :

You all need

It's actually a very good comparaison: the only thing they both knew was shooting the puck. They were/are both defensive liabilities. They both were/are invisible in the playoffs.

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Just how high and mighty can one poster get?

Stay tuned to find out!

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It's actually a very good comparaison: the only thing they both knew was shooting the puck. They were/are both defensive liabilities. They both were/are invisible in the playoffs.
so good a comparison, that one of the two scored 35 goals in 142 games, while the other one scored 93 in 289 (quick quick tally it up, thats 1,5 times Dagenais's average), such a good comparison, that one 23 assists in 142 games, yet the other one got 101 assists in 289 games (that's double Dagenais's average), one had 58 points in 142 games, the other 194 in 289 (that's almost double Dagenais's average), Ryder can bodycheck while Dagenais is more scared than Zednik was in the years following his incident.

I've played against Dagenais, I could ouskate him anyday, but I don,t think I'd do the same against Ryder.... Ryder is much more talented.

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