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01-31-2008, 04:05 PM
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Trade proposal Sabres and Red Wings

Sabres
Paille or Max
Campbell

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Hudler
Lilja

Flame it..........

Before you guys go crazy... Paille has turned the corner and will be a solid 3rd with a possible 2nd line ability.. VG on the PK PP and very solid 2 way player.

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01-31-2008, 04:34 PM
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How about Paille and Kalinen for Hudler and Lebda?

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01-31-2008, 04:42 PM
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not bad, not bad......I don't see why not. I would prefer Lilja. Lebda is kinda small. Although in the end I'd probably do it.

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Id do anything to get rid of Kalinin and get something decent inturn

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Id do anything to get rid of Kalinin and get something decent inturn
Why? Kalinin has been solid since his return.

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The Wings have absolutely ZERO need or desire for an UFA-to-be in Brian Campbell. Rafalski and Lidstrom both bring what Campbell brings, and then some, in different areas.

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I wouldn't be so hasty to give up Paille.

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The Wings have absolutely ZERO need or desire for an UFA-to-be in Brian Campbell. Rafalski and Lidstrom both bring what Campbell brings, and then some, in different areas.
I think we are more insterested in Kalinen. With a little luck Lebda could QB your powerplay. Hes pretty good at it.

Hes no Lids, Rafalski, Kronwall, Campbell but hed be sufficent I think.

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Had to throw something for Hudler. I'm not sure if is going a 1 or a 2 but he's worth a shot. Campbell was thrown in for Lilja who is also a UFA. Campbell is an upgrade on Lilja and for a cup run for the Red Wings he'd be worth it.



edit----Paille a throw in for Hudler

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I wouldn't be so hasty to give up Paille.

Couldnt agree any more.

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I think we are more insterested in Kalinen. With a little luck Lebda could QB your powerplay. Hes pretty good at it.

Hes no Lids, Rafalski, Kronwall, Campbell but hed be sufficent I think.
I'd be happy to get Lebda for Kalinin in some sort of package, but why would Detroit want him? He's not a deadline momentum swinger, or impact deadline acquisition or anything of the sort... am I missing something?

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What Detroit needs is a solid d-man with some size. Honestly, don't need Campbell. Paille makes the idea that much more attractive. Seen him play with the Guelph Storm, I know what kind of player he is. Without Paille, the price of giving up Hudler is too steep.

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Had to throw something for Hudler. I'm not sure if is going a 1 or a 2 but he's worth a shot. Campbell was thrown in for Lilja who is also a UFA. Campbell is an upgrade on Lilja and for a cup run for the Red Wings he'd be worth it.
I don't think Detroit will be interested in that exchange.

51 Brian Campbell L 6-0/190

3 Andreas Lilja L 6-3/230

14 Derek Meech L 5-11/197
28 Brian Rafalski R 5-10/195
22 Brett Lebda L 5-9/194
5 Nicklas Lidstrom L 6-1/193
24 Chris Chelios R 5-11/191
55 Niklas Kronwall L 6-0/189

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I'd be happy to get Lebda for Kalinin in some sort of package, but why would Detroit want him? He's not a deadline momentum swinger, or impact deadline acquisition or anything of the sort... am I missing something?
Hes arguable an upgrade over Lija. And probably more useful then Lebda on a playoff run.

Remember the way to the cup in the west goes threw some large teams...
Ducks, Sharks, (I think Phoenix), Calgary(maybee)

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I don't think Detroit will be interested in that exchange.

51 Brian Campbell L 6-0/190

3 Andreas Lilja L 6-3/230

14 Derek Meech L 5-11/197
28 Brian Rafalski R 5-10/195
22 Brett Lebda L 5-9/194
5 Nicklas Lidstrom L 6-1/193
24 Chris Chelios R 5-11/191
55 Niklas Kronwall L 6-0/189
After Meech we have two bruisers in the AHL but not so sure we wanna try the bring a prospect in to play Defense in the playoffs (like we did last year) this year.

Quincey Ericsson

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I don't think Detroit will consider trading Lilja. Lebda, maybe.

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If i were the wings and Hudler was invovled in the deal, I'd want a physical defenseman that can/will drop the gloves coming back, but thats just me.

As for the deal, it's good value wise IMO, but I don't think Detroit would bite on Campbell, seeing as they already have Lidstrom and Rafalski as PP QB's(and no thats not to say Campbell can't PP QB).

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What Detroit needs is a solid d-man with some size. Honestly, don't need Campbell. Paille makes the idea that much more attractive. Seen him play with the Guelph Storm, I know what kind of player he is. Without Paille, the price of giving up Hudler is too steep.
lmfao, are you kidding me? Detroit needs another defensmen? Please with the names and players they have on that team Detroit needs absolutly nothing with the team they got. They are a more complete team this year then last year. Their record shows it, no team is not even close the league the redwings are in. Even Ottawa who is second in the NHL record wize isnt close. This team even when they lose tries their hearts out to try and win.


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Their defense is a house of cards.

Top 3
Lidstrom Ralaski Kronwall (is rock solid) But if one gets injured they get considerably weaker

Bottom 3
Lija, Chelios, Lebda

Depth
Meech (rubish), Quincey, Ericsson

Their depth is focues on the bottom end. Lija and chelios are reaches for a top 4 roll. Lija has been doing it all season but thats the position they would like to improve. In a pinch CHelios is a top 4 dman.

Stick someone like Jackman in the 4th slot they are absolute monsters with depth for a run.

Lids Raf
Kronwall Jackman
Lija/Chelios

Depth
Lebda/Meech/QUincey/Ericsson

That imo is a beast of a defense.

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I don't think Detroit will consider trading Lilja. Lebda, maybe.
Since when did complementary players become untouchable?

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Lilja benefits from being on the Redwings; on any other team he'd look like trash. I don't see the Sabres touching this trade without a 1st or 2nd rounder thrown in.

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Since when did complementary players become untouchable?

No one said untouchable, but rumor is that Holland is looking to sign Lilja to an extension prior to the summer. Lebda is simply the more likely of the two to get traded.

And after last season when 3 defensemen went down in the playoffs, Detroit is absolutely looking to upgrade the depth on the defense.

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Sabres
Paille or Max
Campbell

for

Red Wings
Hudler
Lilja

Flame it..........

Before you guys go crazy... Paille has turned the corner and will be a solid 3rd with a possible 2nd line ability.. VG on the PK PP and very solid 2 way player.
how about afinogenov, and campbell to SJ for Coutoure and Michalek and 1st rd

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How about just Kalinin for a draft pick? Or someone like Emmerton?

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lmfao, are you kidding me? Detroit needs another defensmen? Please with the names and players they have on that team Detroit needs absolutly nothing with the team they got. They are a more complete team this year then last year. Their record shows it, no team is not even close the league the redwings are in. Even Ottawa who is second in the NHL record wize isnt close. This team even when they lose tries their hearts out to try and win.
I am not kidding you, it is highly likely you haven't seen Detroit's 3rd pairing play. If Detroit goe's the distance playing 4 D, no problem, but if one of them goes down, major problems. Ottawa, btw, beat us, and made Chelio's and Lebda look stupid on the winning goal.

The reason Lilja won't be traded is, there is no reason to do so. He brings something to the table, which is being a big guy who can skate and move the puck as well as handle the physical element. Lebda on the other hand, is a decently skilled defenceman on a team with some gloriously skilled defencemen. Now that Kronwall is hurt, the d really is needing some help.

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