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02-01-2008, 08:38 PM
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In a normal draft, Kaberle could easily get the 1st overall, however, this draft has Doughty and Stamkos, both look to be locks at franchise players. I'd say the 1st and 2nd overall in the 08 draft are untouchable, similarly 09 the first overall should be equally untouchable

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02-01-2008, 08:43 PM
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If they'd rather have a late 1st over Kaberle, they're beyond nuts.
With this draft, they will find a player who will be leaps and bounds better than Kaberle. If it was any other draft Kaberle is the better deal. They can use that pick to move down and collect more players. In the long run it really is a better deal for them to hold onto it I think.

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02-01-2008, 08:47 PM
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In a normal draft, Kaberle could easily get the 1st overall, however, this draft has Doughty and Stamkos, both look to be locks at franchise players. I'd say the 1st and 2nd overall in the 08 draft are untouchable, similarly 09 the first overall should be equally untouchable
what's a normal draft? the last 5 drafts have ahd a 1-2 punch of fleury-Staal, Ovechkin-Malkin, Crosby-Ryan, Johson-Staal and Kane-Vanreimsdyk, there's not a single at draft day who would of traded there pick with a chance to draft these players.

Enough with the Leafs proposals.
Lately, there's alot of cool Leaf posters like TU and Jeffler that get stuck to defend moronic posts such this one and every other over the top homers. As a Habs fan i know what it feels like and it has never come to lower point for us then this.

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02-01-2008, 09:01 PM
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what's a normal draft? the last 5 drafts have ahd a 1-2 punch of fleury-Staal, Ovechkin-Malkin, Crosby-Ryan, Johson-Staal and Kane-Vanreimsdyk, there's not a single at draft day who would of traded there pick with a chance to draft these players.

Enough with the Leafs proposals.
Lately, there's alot of cool Leaf posters like TU and Jeffler that get stuck to defend moronic posts such this one and every other over the top homers. As a Habs fan i know what it feels like and it has never come to lower point for us then this.
lol Ryan > Kaberle?

HF boards vastly overrates picks and prospects, I've come to live with that.

Jack Johnson was traded for Tim Gleason, would you rather Gleason than Kaberle?

Players like Kaberle don't come available very often, especially signed cheap, and long term. If you really look at it objectively rather than in the constantly rebuilding view that HF boards has on people, you would think twice before calling me moronic.

btw If Kaberle was offering for the 1st overall last draft, Chicago would have made the deal, IMO. Obviously not now, but hindsight is 20-20 and 1st overalls don't always become a Crosby/Ovechkin/Kane

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02-01-2008, 11:23 PM
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lol Ryan > Kaberle?

HF boards vastly overrates picks and prospects, I've come to live with that.

Jack Johnson was traded for Tim Gleason, would you rather Gleason than Kaberle?
You're oversimplifying the matter here and ignoring the fact that Carolina was also able to get out of Tverdovsky's contract and gain cap space, they needed NHL defensemen at the time due to injuries, and they were annoyed Johnson wouldn't leave Michigan/afraid he was never going to sign with them. If Carolina didn't have other issues they were trying to solve at the same time, Johnson's value likely would have been higher.

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02-02-2008, 12:30 AM
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From Toronto:
Kaberle

To Toronto:
1st overall pick

Kaberle's NTC is gone if the Leafs miss the playoffs, and a proper rebuild can be sped up in a hurry

Would LA make this trade?
Would TB make this trade?
Would Fla make this trade?
Would Chi make this trade?

...does anyone think someone not on this list finishes dead last (Leafs Excluded, I figure they will be bottom 3 ...or at least HOPE)

#1 overall along with their own top 5 pick in one of the best drafts in ages would be a godsend. ...not to mention all the extra 1st rounders they can get at the deadline and maybe have #1 and #2.
I doubt Toronto would make the trade.

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02-02-2008, 09:41 AM
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You're oversimplifying the matter here and ignoring the fact that Carolina was also able to get out of Tverdovsky's contract and gain cap space, they needed NHL defensemen at the time due to injuries, and they were annoyed Johnson wouldn't leave Michigan/afraid he was never going to sign with them. If Carolina didn't have other issues they were trying to solve at the same time, Johnson's value likely would have been higher.
You saved me time. This is exactly it. They used Jack Johnson to clear cap. That is the only way LA was taking Tverdovsky.

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02-02-2008, 11:13 AM
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The only way this could happen is Kaberle+Torontos 1st for 1st overall+??.

No chance that Toronto ends up with 2 top-5 picks this year.
If Sundin ever went to Anaheim, Edmonton's pick would be involved...thats going to be a top 5 pick. The leafs will also have a top 5 pick. So there's a chance that they have 2 top 5 picks...

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Toronto should deal Kaberle to aquire assets in all areas, not just one IMO.
agreed... i'd aim at getting as many blue chip prospects as possible. I wouldn't consider moving a top 5 dman for an undrafted prospect who might bust. I want something a little more proven.

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02-02-2008, 02:01 PM
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In a normal draft, Kaberle could easily get the 1st overall, however, this draft has Doughty and Stamkos, both look to be locks at franchise players. I'd say the 1st and 2nd overall in the 08 draft are untouchable, similarly 09 the first overall should be equally untouchable
When was the last time a team traded the 1st overall for a player at Kaberle's level (meaning, a very good but not great dman with 3 years until UFA)? The few swaps of #1 or #2 overall that have occured over the years generally involved a team moving down a few slots in the draft or getting a package of young assets in return. The most notable exception might have been the Isles trading for Yashin, and look how that worked out.

Going back the last 10 years, the only #1 overall I can say that Kaberle is clearly more valuable than are Stefan and MA Fleury (who I think will evetually be a more valuable anyway). In many of those cases, the players drafted (Crosby, Prince Vincent, Kolvachuk) are in entirely different universe as far as trade value is concerned. In some cases, Kaberle wouldn't return you the left skate lace of the player involved (Crosby, in particular).

We have these arguments here every spring. Some fan from a team that has a vet to move shows up and talks about how valuable proven assets are, and that other teams should be willing to sacrifice uncertain shots at future stars. But, my guess, is that if it came down to Toronto giving up the #1 overall for a vet defender, you'd recoil in horror.

Kaberle doesn't begin to get you a 1st overall, in this or any other draft. In many drafts, including this, he probably doesn't even get you a top 10 pick.

And, once again, to head off the inevitable, yeah I don't think Kaberle is worth a #1 overall so I must be a Leaf hater.

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02-02-2008, 03:46 PM
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typical toronto fan proposal. they think anyone on their team is the greatest and they should get 10x what their player is actually worth in return. open your eyes leafs fans you got nothing
Well there you have it.

Hear that MLSE? You guys got nothing. Fold the team, it's over.


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From Toronto:
Kaberle

To Toronto:
1st overall pick

Kaberle's NTC is gone if the Leafs miss the playoffs, and a proper rebuild can be sped up in a hurry

Would LA make this trade?
Would TB make this trade?
Would Fla make this trade?
Would Chi make this trade?

...does anyone think someone not on this list finishes dead last (Leafs Excluded, I figure they will be bottom 3 ...or at least HOPE)

#1 overall along with their own top 5 pick in one of the best drafts in ages would be a godsend. ...not to mention all the extra 1st rounders they can get at the deadline and maybe have #1 and #2.
No they won't. Kaberle is a great player but to have a chance at getting Stamkos is alot more valuable to these teams. I don't think you would get a top three pick considering you have the chance to draft Doughty and Pieterangelo.

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02-02-2008, 04:00 PM
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typical toronto fan proposal. they think anyone on their team is the greatest and they should get 10x what their player is actually worth in return. open your eyes leafs fans you got nothing

Heater, come to the podium and accept your award for the single dumbest post of the day.

Way to label and entire fan base on one single post you don't happen to agree with....

And, if you seriously think trade assets like Kaberle are equal to "nothing" than nobody here should be taking you very seriously anyway.

It is this kind of garbage post that leads to all the problems we have on this board.

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I can see Kaberle possibly being worth a top 5 draft pick, but definitely not the 1st.

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02-02-2008, 04:09 PM
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Wasn't the rumor last year:

Philly's first for Steen and Toronto's first?? (at the time of the draft)

If that's the case I could see Kaberle being dealt for a top 10 pick, and maybe even as high as the 5th overall pick..

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Wasn't the rumor last year:

Philly's first for Steen and Toronto's first?? (at the time of the draft)

If that's the case I could see Kaberle being dealt for a top 10 pick, and maybe even as high as the 5th overall pick..

I didn't hear that rumor. But, rumors do not equal reality. And, Steen is a young player with years ahead of him. There is a big difference between trading a pick for a guy on his way up and trading a pick for an established guy who will be an UFA when the current contract expires.

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Wasn't the rumor last year:

Philly's first for Steen and Toronto's first?? (at the time of the draft)

If that's the case I could see Kaberle being dealt for a top 10 pick, and maybe even as high as the 5th overall pick..
I don't see how that rumor had any basis.. Toronto didn't even have their 1st at the -07 draft. Didn't they trade it for Toskala&Bell?

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If Sundin ever went to Anaheim, Edmonton's pick would be involved...thats going to be a top 5 pick. The leafs will also have a top 5 pick. So there's a chance that they have 2 top 5 picks...
If Sundin goes to Anaheim, a top-5 pick might be involved.. Too many ifs there. I'll believe it when I see it.

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02-02-2008, 06:13 PM
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Heater, come to the podium and accept your award for the single dumbest post of the day.

Way to label and entire fan base on one single post you don't happen to agree with....

And, if you seriously think trade assets like Kaberle are equal to "nothing" than nobody here should be taking you very seriously anyway.

It is this kind of garbage post that leads to all the problems we have on this board.
Thanks Darth.

He won't be answering you, though.

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