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02-04-2008, 12:35 AM
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So you put no weight in the fact that the team had to gel with new players coming in like Gomez, Drury, and Dubinsky? No weight that Jagr seems to be getting up in age and isn't dominating like he was for the last two years? Nothing to do with Hank having a yearly mid season slump? Nothing to do with Shanny getting a year older and slower? Malik losing his poise within the team? There are a lot of things wayy more prominant that went wrong with the team than the coaching. Open your eyes.
The old gel accuse? C'on now.

That was ok 2-3 maybe a month in, but 55 games? Nope, sorry. That's really reaching.

Jagr not dominating and Lundqvist not playing like a god just means Renney flawes are much more clear..he is just AVERAGE if that, at coaching when the 2 superstars aren't winning games for the team singlehandly.

Hockey is a TEAM game. Not the Jagr show or the Lundqvist show. It's up to Renney to get the team scoring. Give me a break man.

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Which current coaches are unquestionably better than Renney?

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Jagr not dominating and Lundqvist not playing like a god just means Renney flawes are much more clear..he is just AVERAGE if that, at coaching when the 2 superstars aren't winning games for the team singlehandly.

Hockey is a TEAM game. Not the Jagr show or the Lundqvist show. It's up to Renney to get the team scoring. Give me a break man.
I'd love to know what coaches overcome their best offensive player and their starting goalie being inconsistent.

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The old gel accuse? C'on now.

That was ok 2-3 maybe a month in, but 55 games? Nope, sorry. That's really reaching.

Jagr not dominating and Lundqvist not playing like a god just means Renney flawes are much more clear..he is just AVERAGE if that, at coaching when the 2 superstars aren't winning games for the team singlehandly.

Hockey is a TEAM game. Not the Jagr show or the Lundqvist show. It's up to Renney to get the team scoring. Give me a break man.
You make it sound like some coaches look like geniuses when their top offensive player and goalie are playing poorly. Even the best coaches look average when that's happening.

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I think Renney haters have been put in their place after today.
And the reverse is true now, I suppose?

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I'd love to know what coaches overcome their best offensive player and their starting goalie being inconsistent.
Goalies being inconsistent doesn't mean much if the team can't score more then a goal anyway.

If we are losing games 5-4 because of the goalie, thats another thing.

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You make it sound like some coaches look like geniuses when their top offensive player and goalie are playing poorly. Even the best coaches look average when that's happening.
Team plays solid hockey for most of the season, well good coached teams that have a decent or above average team in front of them. They dont have to rely on their goalie or a star player to carry the team.

Lundqvist wasn't even playing poorly. He was playing AVERAGE. I guess some of us got used to having a godlike goalie in net that now when Lundqvist gives up 3 goals he is playing poorly.

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Lundqvist wasn't even playing poorly. He was playing AVERAGE. I guess some of us got used to having a godlike goalie in net that now when Lundqvist gives up 3 goals he is playing poorly.
That is true, and Lundqvist probably faces more shots from the slot than just about any goalie in the NHL. There aren't too many teams that are as careless around our own net than us

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Thirdeye...

considering how many shots Lundqvist faces in total, I'm not sure he's facing more from the slot compared to many goaltenders out there. It always appears that the shots that do get through are hight quality shots, but with the low number of overall shots he faces, I just do not know.

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Goalies being inconsistent doesn't mean much if the team can't score more then a goal anyway.

If we are losing games 5-4 because of the goalie, thats another thing.
You fail to mention anything in your response that has to do with the coach.

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All of the sudden we win 3 in a row and Renneys head is out of the guillotine? Dont think so.


Whoever said that Renney isnt a very emotional coach is very right, and maybe you might want to wonder why the rangers arent a very emotional team.

Renney still has two bum**** powerplay units that do nothing. The only reason we have won those last three games is because Drury put up 4 goals in the last three, maybe the exception is philly.

Penalty kill still blows.

The team is still lacking offense.

The Rangers still look like they could care less.

Renney still NEEDS TO GO.
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I'd love to know what coaches overcome their best offensive player and their starting goalie being inconsistent.
Since when has Lundqvist been inconsistant. Any game he has let up three + goals, 2 of the three were because the defense bails on him, which goes back to amateur hour renney and his mickey mouse tactics which no one cares to follow any more.

Renney has NOT gotten this team to the playoffs. Jaromir Jagr has. Single handedly in 05-06, and Traders Sathers trade for Sean Avery, + one of the top #1 lines in the league got them their last year, combined with Lundqvist playing out of his mind.

Which again Renney had no part in. I hate people who give this suck ass coach to much credit.

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All of the sudden we win 3 in a row and Renneys head is out of the guillotine? Dont think so.


Whoever said that Renney isnt a very emotional coach is very right, and maybe you might want to wonder why the rangers arent a very emotional team.

Renney still has two bum**** powerplay units that do nothing. The only reason we have won those last three games is because Drury put up 4 goals in the last three, maybe the exception is philly.

Penalty kill still blows.

The team is still lacking offense.

The Rangers still look like they could care less.

Renney still NEEDS TO GO.
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Interesting that none of what you have mentioned is the players' faults.

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All of the sudden we win 3 in a row and Renneys head is out of the guillotine? Dont think so.


Whoever said that Renney isnt a very emotional coach is very right, and maybe you might want to wonder why the rangers arent a very emotional team.

Renney still has two bum**** powerplay units that do nothing. The only reason we have won those last three games is because Drury put up 4 goals in the last three, maybe the exception is philly.

Penalty kill still blows.

The team is still lacking offense.

The Rangers still look like they could care less.

Renney still NEEDS TO GO.
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Yeah, and thankfully the Giants fired Coughlin who also couldnt get his guys to win

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Since when has Lundqvist been inconsistant. Any game he has let up three + goals, 2 of the three were because the defense bails on him, which goes back to amateur hour renney and his mickey mouse tactics which no one cares to follow any more.

Renney has NOT gotten this team to the playoffs. Jaromir Jagr has. Single handedly in 05-06, and Traders Sathers trade for Sean Avery, + one of the top #1 lines in the league got them their last year, combined with Lundqvist playing out of his mind.

Which again Renney had no part in. I hate people who give this suck ass coach to much credit.
Since when has he been inconsistent? From basically November on. The defense bails on him but that's not the defense's fault.

If Jagr got this team to the playoffs the past two seasons, then all blame must fall squarely on him should the Rangers fail to make the playoffs this season.

Boy people sure are forgetting what it was like with Muckler, Lowe, Trottier and Sather.

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Interesting that none of what you have mentioned is the players' faults.

Tell me, are the players supposed to stop listening to the coach and form their own power play units?

Are they supposed to form their own lines?

Are they supposed to fix their own penalty kill? They are not the charlestown cheifs and are not coached by their captain.

So if what you have mentioned above is sarcasm, un needed sarcasm, it is not the players faults.

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Since when has he been inconsistent? From basically November on.

If Jagr got this team to the playoffs the past two seasons, then all blame must fall squarely on him should the Rangers fail to make the playoffs this season.

Boy people sure are forgetting what it was like with Muckler, Lowe, Trottier and Sather.
I blame Keenan, all our fans absolutely love that guy...the guy who jetted outta here the first chance he got. 1 year, 1 cup, no scars for him.

Renney built an actual system, easily the best coach of the last ten years for us.

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Yeah, and thankfully the Giants fired Coughlin who also couldnt get his guys to win
And we have all seen how well coaching changes have worked for the team across the River.

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Since when has he been inconsistent? From basically November on.

If Jagr got this team to the playoffs the past two seasons, then all blame must fall squarely on him should the Rangers fail to make the playoffs this season.

Boy people sure are forgetting what it was like with Muckler, Lowe, Trottier and Sather.
People are also forgetting Jagr Straka and Nylander had a combined

278 Points in 05-06

and 253 on 06-07.

We are lucky if the entire team combined at the end of this year will hit that. So again Jagr and co. brought New York playoff apperances, not Tom Renney.

He has a complete lack of passion. He has yet to fix anything that has been broken this season and he has had 55 games to do it. Thats alot of time in my book.

Muckler did well in Ottawa did he not?

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I blame Keenan, all our fans absolutely love that guy...the guy who jetted outta here the first chance he got. 1 year, 1 cup, no scars for him.

Renney built an actual system, easily the best coach of the last ten years for us.
Keenan would be viewed very differently if Messier (a player) wasn't around that season.

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People are also forgetting Jagr Straka and Nylander had a combined

278 Points in 05-06

and 253 on 06-07.

We are lucky if the entire team combined at the end of this year will hit that. So again Jagr and co. brought New York playoff apperances, not Tom Renney.
Oh, so you mean the players performed better. Got it.

Again, if the Rangers fail to make the playoffs, all blame has to go to Jagr then.

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Two straght playoff appearances. Going further in year 1 than year 20. In first first two seasons he's 30 games over .500.

Tough room.
Very.

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And we have all seen how well coaching changes have worked for the team across the River.
Yep. Even the Flyers canned Hitchcock for John Stevens after 3 straight 40+ win seasons, equally as bad , IMO.

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Oh, so you mean the players performed better. Got it.

Again, if the Rangers fail to make the playoffs, all blame has to go to Jagr then.
Maybe, hes underperforming this year, and look whats happenening, as Jagr goes, this team goes which is the sad reality.

My main point for some reason your failing to get, is that Renney has had no effect on this team whatsoever. He has been given credit where it isnt due.

The players have done this for themselves, and when they finally need some motivation or some get go from their coach guess what, its not there.

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Since when has he been inconsistent? From basically November on. The defense bails on him but that's not the defense's fault.

If Jagr got this team to the playoffs the past two seasons, then all blame must fall squarely on him should the Rangers fail to make the playoffs this season.

Boy people sure are forgetting what it was like with Muckler, Lowe, Trottier and Sather.

This is the entire problem. People forget so quickly. Or assume that everything from the lockout on, could've and would've occured with a different man behind the bench. No credit at all is given to the man who has done so much in turning this franchise around. Are all of his moves right? No. Do they all make sense? No. But that doesn't take away from what he's done as a whole. There's no loyalty anywhere anymore.

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