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02-02-2008, 09:27 AM
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Trade idea

What do you guys think

Am not sure bout ur cap situation but am sure u can make room for this

TO philly: Kaberle

To Tronto: Carter,upshall,1st

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we're not trading carter and i would never want to help out the leafs

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I think we might be giving up too much for Kaberle in that deal. Kaberle's stock has dropped a little this year (even though he was in the All-Star game).

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What do you guys think

Am not sure bout ur cap situation but am sure u can make room for this

TO philly: Kaberle

To Tronto: Carter,upshall,1st
Is Kaberle 2nd Pronger? No.

Edmonton Oilers traded Chris Pronger to the Anaheim Ducks for Joffrey Lupul, Ladislav Smid, a 1st round selection in 2007, a conditional 1st round selection and a 2nd round selection in 2008.

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We get *****.

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What do you guys think

Am not sure bout ur cap situation but am sure u can make room for this

TO philly: Kaberle

To Tronto: Carter,upshall,1st
#1 kaberle has a no trade clause

#2 and no i wouldn't do it

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02-02-2008, 03:05 PM
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There is already a thread in Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk board
here is the link
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=472930

It's a tuff call because Carter is going to be a stud but at the same time when we land Forsberg and add a Kaberle............ well i it gives me a *****

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02-02-2008, 03:08 PM
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I second the *****, BUT this trade just isnt happening

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Flyers give up too much.
Pass.
Only way we can afford to take on Kaberle is if the Leafs take on Hatcher or Knuble. niether of which is gonna happen.

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02-02-2008, 03:12 PM
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we're not trading carter and i would never want to help out the leafs
That's why you're not a GM. This is an excellent proposal and favors the Flyers. Upshall is a trade throw in, guys like him grow on trees. Carter is forever stuck behind Danielle and Cannon, a 3rd line center on the Flyers, a 2nd on others. With what is likely a huge offer to Carter this summer by another team that the Flyers won't match, getting a player like Kaberle is a great deal. Upshall isn't even a consideration. Basically it's Carter and a 1st rounder for Kaberle. If an offer like that isn't accepted it will probably look like this, Carter for a compensatory pick. Which would you rather have for Carter, a compensatory pick or Kaberle?

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If Carter is offered a contract during RFA the Flyers would get more than just a compensatory pick. What makes you think the Flyers wouldn't match if it was so low?

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Flyers give up too much.
Pass.
Only way we can afford to take on Kaberle is if the Leafs take on Hatcher or Knuble. niether of which is gonna happen.
Send Knuble somewhere else....Vancouver maybe?

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02-02-2008, 03:22 PM
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That's why you're not a GM. This is an excellent proposal and favors the Flyers. Upshall is a trade throw in, guys like him grow on trees. Carter is forever stuck behind Danielle and Cannon, a 3rd line center on the Flyers, a 2nd on others. With what is likely a huge offer to Carter this summer by another team that the Flyers won't match, getting a player like Kaberle is a great deal. Upshall isn't even a consideration. Basically it's Carter and a 1st rounder for Kaberle. If an offer like that isn't accepted it will probably look like this, Carter for a compensatory pick. Which would you rather have for Carter, a compensatory pick or Kaberle?
anything below a steep compensation pay grade and I would bet we'd match for Carter... it may lead to players like Hatcher, Knuble, and Umberger getting moved to make room, but I think those thinking that Carter is going to get easily poached are getting a lil too excited. it could prove problematic to keep him around, but we have more than a few salaries on our roster that we would swallow/ditch if necessary.

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anything below a steep compensation pay grade and I would bet we'd match for Carter... it may lead to players like Hatcher, Knuble, and Umberger getting moved to make room, but I think those thinking that Carter is going to get easily poached are getting a lil too excited. it could prove problematic to keep him around, but we have more than a few salaries on our roster that we would swallow/ditch if necessary.

With what teams will offer him to be a second line center, maybe first line, will be way too much to pay him to be a 3rd liner in Philly.

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well, if upshall gets traded to help make room for forsberg...e migth start to hate forsberg

i would not do the trade i like the upside of upshall and carter too much to part with them.

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With what teams will offer him to be a second line center, maybe first line, will be way too much to pay him to be a 3rd liner in Philly.
in the not too distant future, the top two centers in Philly will be Richards and Carter, and Briere will move to the wing... more of a role-player/defensive player will come in and be the third line center.

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in the not too distant future, the top two centers in Philly will be Richards and Carter, and Briere will move to the wing... more of a role-player/defensive player will come in and be the third line center.
Do you forsee any problems signing Carter?

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i would not do the trade i like the upside of upshall
i honestly like upshall, but what is his potential with our team when we have gagne, lupul, jvr, giroux, hartnell, downie, and umburger around? to me, he seems like someone who we'll eventually throw in on a trade and hopefully get something decent back for

that's assuming we keep umberger (which i hope we do)

i know jvr is still probably two seasons away, but still...

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What do you guys think

Am not sure bout ur cap situation but am sure u can make room for this

TO philly: Kaberle

To Tronto: Carter,upshall,1st
If we could add Kukkonen or Vandermeer and juggle salary in order to still get Forsberg for this season, yes, absolutely.

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in the not too distant future, the top two centers in Philly will be Richards and Carter, and Briere will move to the wing... more of a role-player/defensive player will come in and be the third line center.
Thanks coach.

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in the not too distant future, the top two centers in Philly will be Richards and Carter, and Briere will move to the wing... more of a role-player/defensive player will come in and be the third line center.
I can see ur reasoning. however our strength is wing.
we have: gagne, lupul, hartnell,downie definitely
we prob have: umberger and upshall, cote
we will have: JvR and Giroux
maybe: knuble, kapanen, all other prospects

that is very strong. if we were to move briere to wing then we would prob have to trade a few of these players which we prob have to anyways

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Thanks coach.
Might want to wait past your 7th and 8th post to tell someone "that's why you're not a GM" and get cute.

The trade is not that great for the Flyers.

The fact that we already have 2 centers ahead of him doesn't lessen his value. Whoever is trying to obtain him is thinking about what he could do for their team. He's been playing very well and I can guarantee if we were looking to trade him, there would be plenty of interest.

And if Upshall is simply a throw-in and doesn't matter, why even include him?

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[QUOTE=decadentia;12314030]Might want to wait past your 7th and 8th post to tell someone "that's why you're not a GM" and get cute.QUOTE]

fight, fight, fight, fight....

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Do you forsee any problems signing Carter?
it's going to be tight and probably involve letting someone like Umberger go... but that's life under the salary cap. honestly, with guys like Giroux, JVR, Downie, etc. all around, Umberger doesn't have a long shelf-life on this club anyway. he can get paid better and find better minutes on another club.

if Carter ends up getting a longer, larger contract I would look to trade Umberger over the summer (after this season, he'll garner a decent return) and move forward with the group that's left.

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Thanks coach.
just makes too much sense... Briere's size isn't ideal for being a center long-term anyway. get him away from the traffic some and let him work from the wing with Carter. he also has experience playing on the wing.

if Forsberg signs here, i wouldn't be shocked to see Briere on the wing this season.

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Send Knuble somewhere else....Vancouver maybe?
that works for me. id take a draft pick back.

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