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02-02-2008, 04:38 PM
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If he scores 65 points I'll go dance naked on Ste-catherine.
Ste-Catherine...the EAST part of Ste-Catherine?!!
(and, there's nothing wrong with that...).



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Ryder shouldn't be re-sign...

As for the other two, I thought we could let Streit walk but the way he's playing and how good he makes the PP (wonderfull chemistry with "Marky" ), I now think we should keep him, as long as he doesn't ask for the moon...2,5mil/y for 2-3 years would be good.

Huet's situation is more complicated. He'll be in high demand and will ask for a long term contract (4y+) at more than 4,5mil/y...and will get it for sure...

Gainey will have a decision to make, either to let him go and get a capable experienced goalie to support Price... or to convince Huet to sign back and probably trade Price...

If we could get a guy like Lecavalier with a package of Price, I'm all for it, but I honestly think that Huet will be playing for another team next year...
There you go...tough decisions coming up, eh!!

It's ok for us to disagree, but...I would NOT trade Price for Lecavalier.
We'd only have Lecavalier for a bit more than a year, and...
Lecavalier MIGHT be UFA in 2009 (unless...Tampa signs him before? or other centers might be available, Brad Richards, for example, just throwing out 1 example...).
But, most important reason...Price has franchise goalie written all over (just give him 2-3 years+, we need to be patient with him, it'll pay dividends...we don't want to be a team that traded away a young 20 year-old goalie with soooo much potential...like when New York traded Luongo, or like when Toronto traded Rask for Raycroft...).

So...Ryder OUT, D'Agostini IN? (would YOU sign Ryder to a 1 year/$1,75 - $2 mil contract next year?).

Maybe we'll lose Huet to a team that will sign him to a 4 year contract?
Ireally don't see Huet signing here for 4 years, unless he takes a 2 year contract? (if I were Huet, I'd go for a 4 year contract, of course!). So, Mr.Gainey will probably acquire a UFA veteran goalie to support Price and Halak next year? Who knows...? (we will find out sooner than later!).

Many tough decisions ahead...

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First get rid of that waste of cap space named Hamrilik. He makes 5.5 million over the next 4 years.
by hamrlik i friggin hope you mean Smolinski/Dandenault/Brisebois...

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I mean if it's true that Streit wanted $2.5M per for 3 years like 2 weeks ago.. give him $3M per for 4 years right this instant.

He's going to score over 65 PTS.. when is the last time a Habs defenseman did that?
Don't forget a good chunk of Streit's points have come as a forward. I'm not taking anything away from him but I don't think you can compare to other Dmen who score 65 points.

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DO PEOPLE KNOW THE FOLLOWING FACTS ABOUT STREIT...?

#6 in the entire NHL in Defenseman scoring. Following only Andrei Markov, Niklas Lidstrom, Brian Rafalski, Chris Pronger, and Sergei Gonchar.

#1 in the entire NHL in Production Rate (PTS per MIN). Streit has a production rate of 1 PTS every 26:42. The next highest defenseman is Brian Rafalski who clocks in at 1 PTS every 28:36... almost 2 full minutes less!


You guys do know that on the open market Streit could easily receive $4M per.. and some desperate team would likely give him $4.5M. If we can lock him up for $3M or less.. we have one of the best bargains in the entire NHL.

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Don't forget a good chunk of Streit's points have come as a forward. I'm not taking anything away from him but I don't think you can compare to other Dmen who score 65 points.
A good chunk? I doubt very many.. probably 10 PTS at the most.

He's scored 21 PTS on the PP. Only less than Markov & Kovalev.

So if you split the other 15 PTS down the middle.. he's probably scored about 8-10 PTS at the most at forward. And in way less minutes.


** Look at the production rate stat I posted above. It shows you how good the guy really is.

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Streit really is the Habs version of Zdlicky, I was opposed at resigning him at 2M, but now it'll take more than that and he's proving he's worth it even though he can be brutal on defense.

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You guys do know that on the open market Streit could easily receive $4M per.. and some desperate team would likely give him $4.5M. If we can lock him up for $3M or less.. we have one of the best bargains in the entire NHL.
Some people were saying that about Tom Preissing last year. I was surprised he signed for "only" $2.5M or whatever it was. Maybe NHL teams managed to get a bit of a clue there, for a change. But I see Streit as rather Preissing-like. He's in a great situation as a smart puck-moving guy with a good shot on a really brilliantly-run powerplay. I don't think he brings irreplaceable elements to that on his own, however. If some other team wants to pay him $4M, I say they're very welcome to him. Today, Preissing isn't looking even like $2.5M, let alone $4M or whatever he was postulated to get as an underrated-new-NHL-sleeper-signing-stud. Streit could end up about the same IMHO. And we have no real shortage of options for replacing him. Heck, maybe Streit should just count his blessings that he has the gig he has, and just gratefully take our $2M.

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Some people were saying that about Tom Preissing last year. I was surprised he signed for "only" $2.5M or whatever it was. Maybe NHL teams managed to get a bit of a clue there, for a change. But I see Streit as rather Preissing-like. He's in a great situation as a smart puck-moving guy with a good shot on a really brilliantly-run powerplay. I don't think he brings irreplaceable elements to that on his own, however. If some other team wants to pay him $4M, I say they're very welcome to him. Today, Preissing isn't looking even like $2.5M, let alone $4M or whatever he was postulated to get as an underrated-new-NHL-sleeper-signing-stud. Streit could end up about the same IMHO. And we have no real shortage of options for replacing him. Heck, maybe Streit should just count his blessings that he has the gig he has, and just gratefully take our $2M.
Except Preissing was on an Ottawa team that was the most explosive offensive team I've seen in a long time. And add in the fact that Streit is only two PTS behind what Priessing scored that year with 30 GP left.

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02-02-2008, 05:01 PM
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Some people were saying that about Tom Preissing last year. I was surprised he signed for "only" $2.5M or whatever it was. Maybe NHL teams managed to get a bit of a clue there, for a change. But I see Streit as rather Preissing-like. He's in a great situation as a smart puck-moving guy with a good shot on a really brilliantly-run powerplay. I don't think he brings irreplaceable elements to that on his own, however. If some other team wants to pay him $4M, I say they're very welcome to him. Today, Preissing isn't looking even like $2.5M, let alone $4M or whatever he was postulated to get as an underrated-new-NHL-sleeper-signing-stud. Streit could end up about the same IMHO. And we have no real shortage of options for replacing him. Heck, maybe Streit should just count his blessings that he has the gig he has, and just gratefully take our $2M.
preising had 38 pts last year with the Sens, Streit now have 36 pts in 52 games... and I don't think Preising can play forward much...

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preising had 38 pts last year with the Sens, Streit now have 36 pts in 52 games... and I don't think Preising can play forward much...
Exactly. He was also playing with Heatley, Eaves, Alfreddson, Havlat (i think), Spezza, Redden, etc.

Streit has like some good players with him, but no one near that level.


Again, Streit's production rate this year is like 26:42 or something. Preissings, while with Ottawa, was 32:06. Streit's production rate last season was 29:35.

That's still a huge difference.

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Except Preissing was on an Ottawa team that was the most explosive offensive team I've seen in a long time. And add in the fact that Streit is only two PTS behind what Priessing scored that year with 30 GP left.
It's not a situation where the precise PTS or icetime or whatever really matters. Streit has had a bit more spotlight than Preissing did to dance in, and while Ottawa was explosive to be sure, the Habs have been no slouches either, especially on the PP. I'm just hypothesising that if the Habs did lose a Streit, well, there are always going to be Preissings or Corvos or MA Bergerons or a fairly wide assortment of such players who could step in and do approximately the same thing for most teams. Or in the specific case of the Habs, you've got SKost with lots of point experience, you've already got basically a surplus of forwards such that Streit's "versatility" there could almost be reduced to an indication of his shakiness in his own zone as much as lauded as a virtue. And you've got a team that (maybe, arguably) could stand to improve it's size and grit, and for whom a consistently identified Team Need is a #4 defenseman (interestingly, the spot in the lineup which Streit seems unable to hold down).

I really ought to stop a bit on this, since I'm actually a Streit fan, and I do hope the Habs re-sign him, whereas some will probably want to use my line of reasoning to paint me with a Streit-bashing brush. But it's not that at all. I'm just not convinced his market value will be (or should be) all _that_ extravagant.

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First get rid of that waste of cap space named Hamrilik. He makes 5.5 million over the next 4 years.
Clearly you haven't watched more than 10 games of Habs hockey this year. Hamrlik is not a ''waste of cap space'' and he shows no signs of slowing down next year or the year after. Maybe by year 4 of his contract that will be the case but who knows? The guy is one of the most stable defenceman in the league and has been a solid pickup. He'd probably be your Devils' best defenceman.

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It's not a situation where the precise PTS or icetime or whatever really matters. Streit has had a bit more spotlight than Preissing did to dance in, and while Ottawa was explosive to be sure, the Habs have been no slouches either, especially on the PP. I'm just hypothesising that if the Habs did lose a Streit, well, there are always going to be Preissings or Corvos or MA Bergerons or a fairly wide assortment of such players who could step in and do approximately the same thing for most teams. Or in the specific case of the Habs, you've got SKost with lots of point experience, you've already got basically a surplus of forwards such that Streit's "versatility" there could almost be reduced to an indication of his shakiness in his own zone as much as lauded as a virtue. And you've got a team that (maybe, arguably) could stand to improve it's size and grit, and for whom a consistently identified Team Need is a #4 defenseman (interestingly, the spot in the lineup which Streit seems unable to hold down).

I really ought to stop a bit on this, since I'm actually a Streit fan, and I do hope the Habs re-sign him, whereas some will probably want to use my line of reasoning to paint me with a Streit-bashing brush. But it's not that at all. I'm just not convinced his market value will be (or should be) all _that_ extravagant.
Excellent post. No need to break the bank for him, especially with all our young players we're gonna have to lock up soon.

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Dubé said during the second intermission that Gainey started negociating with Plekanec's agent. Good news!

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Posting this here .. Streit comments on TSN:

http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=228755&hubname=

About being a Free Agent at season's end:

'It's not the main thing on my mind,'' the 30-year-old said. ''The end of last season (when the Canadiens were eliminated from the playoffs in the final game) was heartbreaking for everybody on the team and in the whole city.

''This year, it's all about the playoffs. We're going game by game and trying to win each game. If we put personal stuff in the background, we'll be successful. For myself, I'm getting a lot of ice time now and things are going well.''


About passing to Dandenault instead of shooting:

"I was looking for Dandenault because he didn't play a few games and he had a tough time,'' added Streit."

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DO PEOPLE KNOW THE FOLLOWING FACTS ABOUT STREIT...?

#6 in the entire NHL in Defenseman scoring. Following only Andrei Markov, Niklas Lidstrom, Brian Rafalski, Chris Pronger, and Sergei Gonchar.

#1 in the entire NHL in Production Rate (PTS per MIN). Streit has a production rate of 1 PTS every 26:42. The next highest defenseman is Brian Rafalski who clocks in at 1 PTS every 28:36... almost 2 full minutes less!


You guys do know that on the open market Streit could easily receive $4M per.. and some desperate team would likely give him $4.5M. If we can lock him up for $3M or less.. we have one of the best bargains in the entire NHL.
Do you know Streit's stats are a tad padded as he rarely plays defense?

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I hope they find a way to keep Streit. I like what he brings. Still, his role is a utility role. He's probably the best specialist/bouche trou in the league but as good as he is, what is the role worth ?

If signing him to a similar deal to what Dandenault or Bouillon got, and it hampers Gainey from keeping one of either #8,14,21 or 46 down he road, you can't do it.

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First get rid of that waste of cap space named Hamrilik. He makes 5.5 million over the next 4 years.
Wow. You are a fine connoisseur of defensemen and hockey in general...

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I hope they find a way to keep Streit. I like what he brings. Still, his role is a utility role. He's probably the best specialist/bouche trou in the league but as good as he is, what is the role worth ?

If signing him to a similar deal to what Dandenault or Bouillon got, and it hampers Gainey from keeping one of either #8,14,21 or 46 down he road, you can't do it.
Yeah. He is our fabourite Swiss Army-knife

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Do you know Streit's stats are a tad padded as he rarely plays defense?
I know you'd like a little more nastiness long term on the blueline, but I keep thinking of the last Boston game. Streit would time after time, use his feet to get position ahead of the B's forward, strip the puck and take off up ice with lumbering Bruins trailing behind .

It's about winning battles and this guy's winning me over more evry game. Still, I don't feel real secure with him as the only #4 option right now, but he manages to chip in every game. He's ying to Jimmy Roberts yang.

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I know you'd like a little more nastiness long term on the blueline, but I keep thinking of the last Boston game. Streit would time after time, use his feet to get position ahead of the B's forward, strip the puck and take off up ice with lumbering Bruins trailing behind .

It's about winning battles and this guy's winning me over more evry game. Still, I don't feel real secure with him as the only #4 option right now, but he manages to chip in every game. He's ying to Jimmy Roberts yang.
I really like Streit, but he's a much more useful forward than dman at this point in time. Yeah, I would like a nastier dman for the playoff push and the playoffs

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[QUOTE=mcphee;12315280]I hope they find a way to keep Streit. I like what he brings. Still, his role is a utility role. He's probably the best specialist/bouche trou in the league but as good as he is, what is the role worth ?
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I prefer the term specialist to utility role... it implies more value. And Streit is more valuable than a typical utility player. Dandendault is a utility player and so are guys like Kostopoulus, Begin etc.

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I really like Streit, but he's a much more useful forward than dman at this point in time.
He is most valuable as PP specialist... where he plays other than that is a moot point as long as he is playing somewhere.

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[QUOTE=Bob W;12315616][QUOTE=mcphee;12315280]I hope they find a way to keep Streit. I like what he brings. Still, his role is a utility role. He's probably the best specialist/bouche trou in the league but as good as he is, what is the role worth ?
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I prefer the term specialist to utility role... it implies more value. And Streit is more valuable than a typical utility player. Dandendault is a utility player and so are guys like Kostopoulus, Begin etc.
Was utility ever really used in hockey ? It's a baseball term, 'utility infielder'.

In my misspent youth when they dressed 16 skaters, teams would use 11 forwards and 5 d man. Teams would have their extra 2 forwards as guys who could kill penalties, play on the pp in some cases. Cournoyer spent his initial years as a pp specialist,#10 forwad. Red Berenson was a pk spec. for a year or 2. Some teams used the spot for a tough or energy guy [Eddie Shack].

Streit would've fit perfectly in that situation.

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What bothers me about locking up Streit for a while is that it doesn't leave much room for the kids to come up.

We already have the top 3 spots locked up for a while (Komisarek will get a long term contract whenever possible).
I know that Bouillon and Dandeneault are going to be gone soon but then it leaves you with

Markov
Komisarek
Hamrlik
Streit
Gorges
O'Byrne

When do Valentenko, Emelin, McDonagh, Carle, Subban and company get to play?

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