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10-16-2007, 09:48 AM
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11-13-2007, 07:55 PM
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What do you guys see as Higgins upside?

2005-06 MON 80 23 15 38 -1 26 7 5 3 0 3 0 148 .155
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60 points 70 points? Will he top out as a 30 goal scorer or more? just curious where you see his ceiling and his likelyhood of reaching it..thanks

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11-13-2007, 07:59 PM
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What do you guys see as Higgins upside?

2005-06 MON 80 23 15 38 -1 26 7 5 3 0 3 0 148 .155
2006-07 MON 61 22 16 38 -11 26 8 7 3 0 3 0 159 .138
2007-08 MON 16 6 5 11

60 points 70 points? Will he top out as a 30 goal scorer or more? just curious where you see his ceiling and his likelyhood of reaching it..thanks
If you do a little search you will find a ton of threads on this. I think there is at least one new one every month.

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11-13-2007, 08:10 PM
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11-13-2007, 08:27 PM
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11-13-2007, 09:14 PM
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Come on...it was just a question

So here is my answer

38 goals.......32 assists......70 points


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11-13-2007, 09:31 PM
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11-13-2007, 09:43 PM
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are those totals for this year..or his prime?

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11-14-2007, 08:33 AM
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What do you guys see as Higgins upside?

2005-06 MON 80 23 15 38 -1 26 7 5 3 0 3 0 148 .155
2006-07 MON 61 22 16 38 -11 26 8 7 3 0 3 0 159 .138
2007-08 MON 16 6 5 11

60 points 70 points? Will he top out as a 30 goal scorer or more? just curious where you see his ceiling and his likelyhood of reaching it..thanks
I think his [very optimistic] upside is 50 goals ... more realistic is a 30-40 goal scorer. He definately has it in him, depending on whether he can stay healthy, play with good teammates, and gets some bounces.

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11-14-2007, 09:32 AM
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I don't know if you have noted, Chris Higgins is playing great, getting tons of chances, but he seems to have some trouble putting it in.

Again Saturday, in the final seconds, he fanned on a perfect chance right in the near slot, just before the 'Canes scored their empty netter...

Let's hope he does not suffer the "Rejean Houle syndrome" as the older ones among us will rember poor Rejean was very skilled, but could not have scored in an empty soccer net...

BTW, quick question, is this fellow Michael Ryder still playing for the Habs, haven't noticed him on the ice yet this year?
I posted this on October 16, it is still very relevant, Higgins is missing so many great scoring opportunities, it is starting to hurt the team, I know he works hard and all, but God he has to start to bury some of these golden opportunities, he is playing on the first line and first powerplay unit and has ZERO points in his last 4 or 5 games I believe, but could easily have scored 5 or 6 during that period if he had converted only a fraction of his opportunities!

On a weak offensive team that is more often than not involved in close defensive struggles, these Higgins goals can make a huge difference, so let's hope he gets out of this problem soon!

PS: My October 16 comment about Ryder is still relevant as well, isn't it?

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11-14-2007, 10:39 AM
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higgins

Higgens will score 25 or less, his not a goal scorer.


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11-14-2007, 10:48 AM
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I can see 35+ goals, 40+ if he ever gets a bit of luck for a change. But he's creating some really good chances out of nothing a lot of the time.

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11-14-2007, 10:55 AM
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I see him as a Ryan Smyth type player, 60-75pts a year, good leadership and grit, but not a superstar...

If we can get a star scorer like Hossa on that line, it would be killing...

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11-14-2007, 11:31 AM
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Love Higgins, but...

He's got to drive the net more. Maybe the difference between coming close and finishing is taking that extra step into the crease. The Habs have had a very poor crease presence this year, trying to make too much happen with fancy passing plays (which is understandable considering how many good passers they have). Saku is the only guy I see driving in and creating chaos. Higgins tends to go too wide and when he rattles it off the side of the net or the post, the play fizzles out. If he drove the net and Ryder stood at the doorstep for the rebound, they'd get more goals.

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11-14-2007, 03:32 PM
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I love higgins but does he need 2 threads on the first page?

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11-14-2007, 06:12 PM
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People make me laugh. In the vote-off game, we can see that Habs Fans prefer a 22 goals - 38 points scorer (Higgins) to our most talented player (Kovalev) and our most talented young center - if not, THE MOST talented center on this team - Tomas Plekanec.

Look at Jason Blake's comments yesterday. He was really saying that Plekanec is hell of a hockey player. He also said that even last year, he found him always dangerous.

I'm more and more tired of it. The only place where a player can't score, can't pass, or can't finish off the plays, and still be a fan favorite at the end, is Montreal.

Oh... yes... here's a little stat for you :

Kostitsyn (7pts) + Plekanec (15 pts) + Kovalev (16 pts) = 38 pts.
Higgins (11 pts) + Koivu (15 pts) + Ryder (7 pts) = 33 pts.

Ryder and Higgins are still considered by many as the two top wingers of this team... this is absolutely ridiculous.

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11-14-2007, 06:57 PM
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Ryder and Higgins are still considered by many as the two top wingers of this team... this is absolutely ridiculous.
No offense but what is ridiculous is stating how many feel Higgins and Ryder are the top wingers when actually i don't think i have heard anyone state this.

Basically i think its a consensus around here that Kovalev and Higgins are the best wingers in habland and thats undeniable. I don't even think the biggest Ryder fan believes he is the best forward.

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11-14-2007, 06:59 PM
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People make me laugh. In the vote-off game, we can see that Habs Fans prefer a 22 goals - 38 points scorer (Higgins) to our most talented player (Kovalev) and our most talented young center - if not, THE MOST talented center on this team - Tomas Plekanec.

Look at Jason Blake's comments yesterday. He was really saying that Plekanec is hell of a hockey player. He also said that even last year, he found him always dangerous.

I'm more and more tired of it. The only place where a player can't score, can't pass, or can't finish off the plays, and still be a fan favorite at the end, is Montreal.

Oh... yes... here's a little stat for you :

Kostitsyn (7pts) + Plekanec (15 pts) + Kovalev (16 pts) = 38 pts.
Higgins (11 pts) + Koivu (15 pts) + Ryder (7 pts) = 33 pts.

Ryder and Higgins are still considered by many as the two top wingers of this team... this is absolutely ridiculous.
Wow. A higgins hater. I guess there's a first time for everything.

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11-14-2007, 07:24 PM
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Wow. A higgins hater. I guess there's a first time for everything.
I dunno. Doesn't seem like a hater, just someone who doesn't have his tongue 4 inches up Higgins' rear end. I as well love Higgins' game as far as effort and intelligence goes, but man, the guy has had horrible hands and poor finishing so far this year. I understand the poster's opinion about the vote off thing. Maybe Chris will bust out of it eventually, but he certainly isn't showing the 40 goal potential.

Step one is getting opportunities though (which Higgins is), and that is something that Ryder certainly isn't excelling at so far.

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11-14-2007, 07:29 PM
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Ryder suck... he's getting worst every year and it continous.

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11-14-2007, 07:46 PM
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Ryder suck... he's getting worst every year and it continous.
Again, the irony in the username. Goal scoring = consistent (except so far this year), effort = increasing, defensive awareness = increasing. He's just not getting open, getting chances, or burying the puck so far which is what he's paid to do and THAT's why (with just cause) people are jumping down his throat.

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I don't get it...When Ryder does nothing but score, people complain. When Ryder does everything else people have been asking of him, like backchecking, hitting, passing, people still complain...

You want him to do both? He isn't a superstar...The guy hasn't exactly been bad out there, he's creating chances and setting up nice plays.
and he does that now?

Ryder setting up nice play and creating chances? Man, you cannot be serious. Ive watch the Leafs game twice, and he did not create anything good offensively. The only chance he got was when Koivu was all alone in front of Raycroft and pass him the puck but he miss it.

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and he does that now?

Ryder setting up nice play and creating chances? Man, you cannot be serious. Ive watch the Leafs game twice, and he did not create anything good offensively. The only chance he got was when Koivu was all alone in front of Raycroft and pass him the puck but he miss it.
The problem in habland right now is that no one is even forcing Carbo's hand. While Ryder is really struggling, Lats and Grabs aren't doing anything to move up the depth charts.

Ryder is one of the few top 6 forwards who is consistently hitting and he isn't hurting the team defensively.

I am a Ryder fan and even i want someone else on the top line however its sad to see Latendresse not even competing for the spot. The opening is there and sadly no one is taking it.

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11-14-2007, 08:09 PM
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The opening is there and sadly no one is taking it.
Exactly. but to be honest, the second line guys are playing well enough to be promoted, but their chemistry makes them untouchable. It's the third and fourth line (+ press box) guys who have the opportunity but aren't showing themselves worthy.

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Chris Higgins:
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And by "PTS", i mean Posts.

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