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02-07-2008, 03:05 PM
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if the owner of the casino are the owners of the team and arena then they shouldn't have any financial issues ever. it's a win win situation for quebec city then.

good luck to the nords.

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02-07-2008, 03:16 PM
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if the owner of the casino are the owners of the team and arena then they shouldn't have any financial issues ever. it's a win win situation for quebec city then.

good luck to the nords.
Problem is: a private casino will never happen. Loto Quebec manages all casinos and I think its pure day dreaming to think this will change. (I'm not saying Quebec City shouldn't have a casino)

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Well then I guess Edmonton will no longer be the least desirable place to play in the NHL. You thought things were bad for Edmonton? Wait till the players get offers from Quebec City.

Holy Cow.
Tell me who the F would want to play in F.IN Hamilton???? Ontario is the most boring place in the country, the players and their wives will need more than Tim Hortons on every block to enjoy going out and spend their millions.

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Ah come on, don't go trippin' on details, man!

The Nords MIGHT come back
! We get to hate them again!
not gonna happen... Quebec cannot support an NHL team.

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02-07-2008, 04:18 PM
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please come back! it would be great to have another expansion caliber team in our division (ahem...boston)

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Man, it would be AWESOME if the Nords could come back. A team I hate even more than the Leafs! I'd be in Hater Heaven!

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02-07-2008, 04:31 PM
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It would be absolutely awesome to have the Nordiques back in the NHL. Season tickets: Here I Come

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not gonna happen... Quebec cannot support an NHL team.
Of course if they put the team on planet mars we cant support it.

Seriously, get a clue, support isnt an issue. Investments(arena + franchise) is the issue.

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Isn't the NHL looking to grow? Or at least invest somewhere that'll bring in cash, instead of being a revenue sharing *****?

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Of course if they put the team on planet mars we cant support it.

Seriously, get a clue, support isnt an issue. Investments(arena + franchise) is the issue.
The support would have to come from the casino. Would the government allow this though?

Not enough money/corporations in QC to buy luxury boxes.

I think the issue of the NHL growing is not a big one. They've already entered a lot of new markets. Now it's a waiting game. Having a team in QC would be awesome for the hardcore fans and having another French team in the league is good for the league's image imo. It makes the league more interesting to people in other cities.

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The support would have to come from the casino. Would the government allow this though?

Not enough money/corporations in QC to buy luxury boxes.

I think the issue of the NHL growing is not a big one. They've already entered a lot of new markets. Now it's a waiting game.
Yeah that's why aubut sold 55 luxury boxes(to capacity) in under a week in 1995 to support his new colisée project. I like valid opinions.

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Yeah that's why aubut sold 55 luxury boxes(to capacity) in under a week in 1995 to support his new colisée project. I like valid opinions.
That worked so well they ended up in Colorado. What happens if the dollar drops back to previous levels, if Alberta teams can barely support their clubs why would Quebec be able to when they couldn't years ago? This seems like a pipe dream to me.

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02-07-2008, 04:48 PM
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Yeah that's why aubut sold 55 luxury boxes(to capacity) in under a week in 1995 to support his new colisée project. I like valid opinions.
They'll need a lot more than that. But I hope it happens.

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02-07-2008, 04:51 PM
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Canadian hockey meccas should set the NHL market, not the U.S. corporations in X city that can't draw respectable crowds, make Stanley Cup parades in parking lots, have 10 fans partying after a huge win, but hey; they got corporations!! Oh yeah!!

Just like everybody, when I'm going to a NHL game, the first thing I wanna hear of is this : who are the corporations around here? What corporations bought luxury boxes? Does the team have enough corporate support?

After a long list of sooooo important things, I start to hope there will be some fans so that there is something called AN ATMOSPEHERE. But first I don't think of the atmosphere, fans and the fun I'm going to have, ALL I WANT TO KNOW IS WHO ARE THE CORPORATIONS SUPPORTING THE TEAM! Please tell me, that is sooooooo important!

What's so hard to understand with the fact the NHL should NEVER have left Canada?

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02-07-2008, 04:54 PM
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Canadian hockey meccas should set the NHL market, not the U.S. corporations in X city that can't draw respectable crowds, make Stanley Cup parades in parking lots, have 10 fans partying after a huge win, but hey; they got corporations!! Oh yeah!!

Just like everybody, when I'm going to a NHL game, the first thing I wanna hear of is this : who are the corporations around here? What corporations bought luxury boxes? Does the team have enough corporate support?

After a long list of sooooo important things, I start to hope there will be some fans so that there is something called AN ATMOSPEHERE. But first I don't think of the atmosphere, fans and the fun I'm going to have, ALL I WANT TO KNOW IS WHO ARE THE CORPORATIONS SUPPORTING THE TEAM! Please tell me, that is sooooooo important!

What's so hard to understand with the fact the NHL should NEVER have left Canada?
I don't think the players or the owners would agree with any of that.

Nothing wrong with the NHL in the US. I've gone to many of the arenas down here. In some cities, it has really taken off and there are enthusiastic fans (lots of Canadian transplants like me as well) and in others, it's going to take more time.

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That worked so well they ended up in Colorado. What happens if the dollar drops back to previous levels, if Alberta teams can barely support their clubs why would Quebec be able to when they couldn't years ago? This seems like a pipe dream to me.
They ended in Colorado because the political support was never there. Alberta didnt loose their teams because of a lottery, there was political will. Quebec can support a team in good times(major profits), average times(not making any losses) and in bad periods with a little political will.(Like everywhere else even in the US...Pittsburgh...ring a bell?)

We are not talking about Winnipeg(support got so-so there a couple of times), Quebec attendance was always more than 95% even when the team was last in league and a total joke.

Many of you guys are mixing up many concepts. Support is one where Quebec City doesnt have any worries. First because the provincial market act likes a mini nation, it would badly seen for corporation X to support only the habs, thus every corporate dollar the habs are gonna get, nords will get them too. The difference would be one of ticket price, since obviously you can easily find more people with higher income in Montreal. (past the corporate buys) Smaller cities need some political backing, thats a reality we all have to live with. The second harsh reality is the cost of entry, who is gonna pay for the stadium and the franchise(500M).

Quebec city doesnt have to be revenue-competitive with Montreal to have a place in the NHL...it seems like the gold standard for many here on HFboards.

Beside, for the foreseable future, the CDN$ will not, can not, go down unless we make it go down on purpose.(Or the oil price plunge...possibility 0)

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Put the casino in the Huron village. Settles the Loto Quebec issue.

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02-07-2008, 05:02 PM
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Many of you guys are mixing up many concepts. Support is one where Quebec City doesnt have any worries. First because the provincial market act likes a mini nation, it would badly seen for corporation X to support only the habs, thus every corporate dollar the habs are gonna get, nords will get them too.
Good point. Just like political parties.

They have to put the casino next to the arena. That way you get 20,000 people coming in 42 times a year or more (concerts, etc.).

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Put the casino in the Huron village. Settles the Loto Quebec issue.
Wouldnt work, no highway access.(The arena would have to be there as well, since they want to build a multi-purpose center) It's also pretty far from downtown.

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They ended in Colorado because the political support was never there. Alberta didnt loose their teams because of a lottery, there was political will. Quebec can support a team in good times(major profits), average times(not making any losses) and in bad periods with a little political will.(Like everywhere else even in the US...Pittsburgh...ring a bell?)

We are not talking about Winnipeg(support got so-so there a couple of times), Quebec attendance was always more than 95% even when the team was last in league and a total joke.

Many of you guys are mixing up many concepts. Support is one where Quebec City doesnt have any worries. First because the provincial market act likes a mini nation, it would badly seen for corporation X to support only the habs, thus every corporate dollar the habs are gonna get, nords will get them too. The difference would be one of ticket price, since obviously you can easily find more people with higher income in Montreal. (past the corporate buys) Smaller cities need some political backing, thats a reality we all have to live with. The second harsh reality is the cost of entry, who is gonna pay for the stadium and the franchise(500M).

Quebec city doesnt have to be revenue-competitive with Montreal to have a place in the NHL...it seems like the gold standard for many here on HFboards.

Beside, for the foreseable future, the CDN$ will not, can not, go down unless we make it go down on purpose.(Or the oil price plunge...possibility 0)
Keep the hopes alive, SOLR!

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Keep the hopes alive, SOLR!
It's not "hopes", its a "when".

Since a lot of the media reporting is appearing locally and in French its gonna fly under the radar until it happens.

As a marketing executive I think its a crime for the NHL to not have the habs-nords rivalry as an asset to sell the game.

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It's not "hopes", its a "when".

Since a lot of the media reporting is appearing locally and in French its gonna fly under the radar until it happens.

As a marketing executive I think its a crime for the NHL to not have the habs-nords rivalry as an asset to sell the game.
It's a crime but the current NHL is Bettman's little paradise, remember. IT is what he wants it to be with his stakes rollers and southern US teams that have low attendances. That's his vision. It doesn't make any sens but I don't see any oppositions from his rule and what he wants to do.

In Quebec, I wonder if a PRIVATE casino an be done in the Province of Quebec.

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It will never happen, Las Vegas is just a matter of time. The Nordiques would cater to such a small percentage of the fan base it makes zero sense.

Makes about as much sense as 2 teams in Florida...

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It will never happen, Las Vegas is just a matter of time. The Nordiques would cater to such a small percentage of the fan base it makes zero sense.

Makes about as much sense as 2 teams in Florida...
Quebec city is one of the most populous city in the entire North America. Maybe you would fair better discussing polo or something.

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It's a crime but the current NHL is Bettman's little paradise, remember. IT is what he wants it to be with his stakes rollers and southern US teams that have low attendances. That's his vision. It doesn't make any sens but I don't see any oppositions from his rule and what he wants to do.

In Quebec, I wonder if a PRIVATE casino an be done in the Province of Quebec.
It as nothing to do with Bettman imo. Gary is wise, he would like it. The southern teams isnt even his vision, its Mr Hicks vision(Dallas Stars owner). I know the medias have been quick to demonize Bettman, particularly in Quebec City, but with time I understood what was really going on.

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