lol...come on, it was no where near as bad as any of those. It wasn't even fully Koivu's fault. (Though I agree he should have being following the puck).
It's not as bad as those, but it IS a shameful hockey moment (go ask Koivu if he's happy about it), and I think it's the WORST thing that could happen tonight for Koivu. After being benched he was expected to rebound. Had he not been on the scoreboard, he wouldn't have been picked on so much. But it's 2 bad games in a row, and there were already 2 articles in the media today claiming we should trade him.
Now don't get me wrong, I don't want him traded or at least not for nothing, but I think this happens at a very bad moment for him. Thus the comparisons, which are a little shaky I admit but meh.
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You said it. There was 10 seconds left, it wouldn't have won the game.
It wouldn't? All they had to do was get puck control and they were right back in the Leafs zone where it could take no time at all to pot a game tying goal.
It was a terrible play on Koivu's behalf and one that the team captain shouldn't be doing....especially since he is in a slump....he should be hungry for the puck and never taking his eyes off it....ESPECIALLY since we were trying to tie the game up.
What's with this anger and get this guy out and that guy outter stuff???
If I was the habs I would not concern myself with 1st place. Just make sure you make the playoffs confortable somewhere in the top 6. As for Koivu, the guy is your best player and plays with more heart than any habs player. There is a reason he is the captain. I know a number of top teams that would love to have this guy manning their 2nd line at the trade deadline if you want to move him.
I said it before had it not been for Dany Heatley out for a month (back tonight) and Alfredsson injured this first place race thing would never have materialized. And as far as the Habs and Flyers are concerned it will disapear just as quick in the next dozen games once they get these 2 of the top 10 players in the world back.
Be happy. Looks like Habs will make the playoffs this year other than a catastrophy in the weak east. Maybe if they add something in the deadline you might be looking at a team that can get to the conference finals. Realy other than a healthy Ottawa team, habs are just as good as any team in this conference.
Except that Kovalev wasn't drafted by the Habs...I fail to see your point.
I'm not sure but are you implying the captain shouldn't be held to higher standarts? Leafs fans are on Sundin yet they're not treated to the yearly disappearing acts.
It wouldn't? All they had to do was get puck control and they were right back in the Leafs zone where it could take no time at all to pot a game tying goal.
It was a terrible play on Koivu's behalf and one that the team captain shouldn't be doing....especially since he is in a slump....he should be hungry for the puck and never taking his eyes off it....ESPECIALLY since we were trying to tie the game up.
instead of complaining about that play, you should complain about Carbo puting Koivu first in that last PP, puting Smoke for like 30 seconds when there was 2 and a half minuts to do. You should complain about seeing that fourth line so often. Tonight was not the night and the next one will be even tougher, it will be like that everytime up to the end of the season.
It's not as bad as those, but it IS a shameful hockey moment (go ask Koivu if he's happy about it), and I think it's the WORST thing that could happen tonight for Koivu.
WHAT was?
He played kinda bad. So what? He played kind of bad last game, and the last couple before that. This game was nothing specially dissappointing.
The Stefan incident could have been career changing. I don't even want to start on the Roy topic.
I know the mods have a ******, thankless job, but honestly why are half the idiots on this board still allowed to post here? This board is ****ing revolting on game nights and the day after a game when the Habs don't blow out an opponent.
I don't understand this theory of addition by subtraction... Sure koivu is having a bad season right now and because of that you won't get a full return for him right now.
People have to realize that Koivu is a PLAYMAKER, he sets guys up and look at who he's playing with, Ryder and Higgins who are also having poor seasons... So here's a thought, get someone who can finish his plays (HOSSA) and i guarantee that his play will pick up
*Here's hoping that the Habs can actually land Hossa and it's all this speculation isn't just a waste of breath*
instead of complaining about that play, you should complain about Carbo puting Koivu first in that last PP, puting Smoke for like 30 seconds when there was 2 and a half minuts to do. You should complain about seeing that fourth line so often. Tonight was not the night and the next one will be even tougher, it will be like that everytime up to the end of the season.
A wise choice would have been Kosty jr. But Koivu as the veteran captain, who has something to prove because of last game, was also a logical choice. Not a short term choice though. I wonder what Koivu's ice time will be from now on.
instead of complaining about that play, you should complain about Carbo puting Koivu first in that last PP, puting Smoke for like 30 seconds when there was 2 and a half minuts to do. You should complain about seeing that fourth line so often. Tonight was not the night and the next one will be even tougher, it will be like that everytime up to the end of the season.
Well If you can't put your team captain on the ice late in the game, on a powerplay...then why is he the captain?? Sundin is on the ice late in every game for the Leafs whether they are winning or losing....how come we can't rely on our captain the same way?
you should complain about Carbo puting Koivu first in that last PP
Bah! That's silly. It was a smart play. They hadn't scored all night and the other team changes first, so they put their top PK out and we put our second PP out. Then swap for minute number two. Clever coaching to kickstart the PP.
Then Markov should have dumped the puck in to set up the attack, not making a moronic pass across the ice.
Were you watching the game or watching suspicious videos of people wearing leather?
Markov HAD to move the puck because pressure was coming his way. You can't blame it ALL on ONE player. That means Koivu AND Markov. But Koivu is clearly the one who was more at fault here, not Markov, because:
1) You don't turn your back on the play
2) if you do, you turn your head to see what's happening ESPECIALLY when you are the 6th attacker, with 40 seconds remaining
Koivu did none of those things, he was quietly sliding away, looking at the crowd, like it didn't matter.
Why do you protect him? Because he's Koivu. I would bet a lot that you'd be bashing like a maniac had it been another player like Kostopoulos or Smolinski.
For me I don't care who does it, a bad play is a bad play, and I saw a very bad play tonight, that could easily go in a "worst hockey moments" top 10.
Bah! That's silly. It was a smart play. They hadn't scored all night and the other team changes first, so they put their top PK out and we put our second PP out. Then swap for minute number two. Clever coaching to kickstart the PP.
The only thing considered to be intelligent coaching on these boards is calling a timeout. All the time.
I made a push earlier this week to be a bit less strict in the moderation. I said we shouldn't restrain discussions that much as we are cutting chances to get interesting insights from some of the good posters here, and that we shouldn't let a few people alone decrease the quality of the board by having them lock any thread with worthy discussions.
Now we get threads like this one, which made me change my mind. Maybe the moderation is not strict enough after all... People insulting each other, mindless posts that are either made to provoke or simply out of frustration and most of all no respect for the rules or for other posters.
Maybe I'm living in a fantasy world, but can't people have normal rationnal discussions? I initially thought it was only a few posters, but it seems like half the posts after a loss make no sense at all. If you're going to post mindless stuff, just restrain yourself and think about it again. I don't think anybody cares about that crap, and it only gives the Montreal Canadiens board moderators, which I'm not a part of by the way, more job which they try as best as they can to do in good will to make the boards better.
If I can ask for anything, it is that you at least try and keep it clean and think if your post really adds something before posting it, especially on a night like this where there are hundreds of posts in less than an hour on a specific thread.
It's the first time I'm saying this, but maybe it's time...
I'd do Koivu for Marleau...I think it could work. Marleau can't be worst than Koivu right now, and koivu would probably go to San Jose, where Rivet is.
I agree with you that Koivu needs to go but Marleau is a HELL OF A LOT worse then Koivu right now with an even worse attitude. We can get better then Marleau for Koivu especially since we got a first round for Rivet.
Let's put this blanket statement to bed right now. It's not always true. On MANY planned dump ins the winger often puts his head down and darts for the corner. It's often the only way to beat a pivoting defenseman who is starting 20 or more feet closer to the puck. Not defending Koivu's effort on the play, but that blanket statement has been offered many times in multiple threads as a universal fact. People who actually play the game at the level of integrating systems and executing planned plays know better.
Then Markov should have dumped the puck in to set up the attack, not making a moronic pass across the ice.
I have mysteriously had a post deleted out of this thread - not sure why.
Basically what I said was, there are always set plays in hockey but there is also always improvisation because you never know what the other team is going to do. The only way your team mates can pick up on what you are going to do is WATCH the puck and WATCH what you're doing. Koivu did not do this.
This aint football. You don't put your head down and skate to a certain point on the ice and wait for a pass.
