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01-28-2004, 05:48 PM
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Fran Sypek article

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The Falcons face an uphill climb to avoid missing the playoffs for the third time in four years. The fans have a right to be upset and they have taken their wrath out on the team's parent club, the Phoenix Coyotes.
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So far, Springfield's season has been a disaster and the Falcons entered the weekend with the fewest points in the 28-team league. No one, not Gilman, Bruce Landon or Wayne Gretzky saw this coming.
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Frank Banham, who was one of the team's best forwards last season, has not been the same since he collided with Phoenix teammate Todd Simpson during training camp and suffered a concussion. For some reason, coach Marty McSorley's system has not been a good match for the Ferraro twins, who have battled through injuries and inconsistent play.
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The Coyotes did send heralded prospect Krys Kolanos to the Falcons. Kolanos has been outstanding at times, but often looks like he could care less about playing in the minors.
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Fifteen players have played for both the Worcester IceCats and St. Louis Blues this season. In contrast, only four players (Kolanos, Taffe, Sjostrom and Matthew Spiller) have played for both the Falcons and Coyotes this season, which speaks volumes about lack of depth in the organization

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"Fifteen players have played for both the Worcester IceCats and St. Louis Blues this season. In contrast, only four players (Kolanos, Taffe, Sjostrom and Matthew Spiller) have played for both the Falcons and Coyotes this season, which speaks volumes about lack of depth in the organization"

What a stupid statement. It speaks more about the injury problems in St. Louis, and lack of injuries on the coyotes, than about lack of depth!

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"Fifteen players have played for both the Worcester IceCats and St. Louis Blues this season. In contrast, only four players (Kolanos, Taffe, Sjostrom and Matthew Spiller) have played for both the Falcons and Coyotes this season, which speaks volumes about lack of depth in the organization"

What a stupid statement. It speaks more about the injury problems in St. Louis, and lack of injuries on the coyotes, than about lack of depth!
As well as all of their suspensions.

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To add to that, just because a mass number of players are recalled doesn't mean they were happy with those players. Possibly so many players were called up because management wasn't happy with them and asked for the next player. The Coyotes have clearly been happy with Sjostrom, Taffe, and Spiller. It's like comparing apples to oranges.

Take it for what it is worth, which isn't much.

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Wow can you imagine the vitriol directed our way if we had recalled as many as St.Louis...

Im beginning to think its time for Marty to go. He's had bad luck to be fair but too many players arent playing for him.

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some of the problem in terms of not meeting expectations can be traced to the number of top prospects who made the leap to the NHL program instead of toiling on the farm this season. Taffe, Sjostrom, and Spiller are three players who could make an impact in Springfield but are being utilized on the parent squad.

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Wow can you imagine the vitriol directed our way if we had recalled as many as St.Louis...

Im beginning to think its time for Marty to go. He's had bad luck to be fair but too many players arent playing for him.
Jeezus I'm beginning to think on the same wavelength as stevex. My wife may be correct in her theory that once you hit 50 you just ain't what you used to be; in more areas than one. Just might be time to consult a therapist.

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some of the problem in terms of not meeting expectations can be traced to the number of top prospects who made the leap to the NHL program instead of toiling on the farm this season. Taffe, Sjostrom, and Spiller are three players who could make an impact in Springfield but are being utilized on the parent squad.
My belief is that there is a fundamental difference in the way that Phoenix treats their prospects than the majority of NHL clubs do. The best example I can draw would be an analogy between Trent Hunter and Jeff Taffe. Hunter was allowed by the Islanders, who at the time Hunter was in Bridgeport, were roughly in the same competitive position both in the standings and fiscally speaking as the Coyotes to remain in Bridgeport playing full time the last 2 seasons rather than recall him to play miniscule minutes for the Islanders. Obviously this philosophy is not shared by Phoenix as viewed by Taffe's current role. Since Hunter and Taffe are quite similar players both size and talent wise it appears that by their respective stats the Isles for one do things the proper way with their prospects as opposed to the Yotes. Perhaps this is the primary reason we stink season after season and the season ticket holders here are so frustrated and asking the ownership group here to seek alternatives to this affiliation should oppurtunity present itself if Norfolk does indeed fold and the Blackhawks need a new AHL partner or if the Lightning feel they can go it alone next season.


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My belief is that there is a fundamental difference in the way that Phoenix treats their prospects than the majority of NHL clubs do. The best example I can draw would be an analogy between Trent Hunter and Jeff Taffe. Hunter was allowed by the Islanders, who at the time Hunter was in Bridgeport, were roughly in the same competitive position both in the standings and fiscally speaking as the Coyotes to remain in Bridgeport playing full time the last 2 seasons rather than recall him to play miniscule minutes for the Islanders. Obviously this philosophy is not shared by Phoenix as viewed by Taffe's current role. Since Hunter and Taffe are quite similar players both size and talent wise it appears that by their respective stats the Isles for one do things the proper way with their prospects as opposed to the Yotes. Perhaps this is the primary reason we stink season after season and the season ticket holders here are so frustrated and asking the ownership group here to seek alternatives to this affiliation should oppurtunity present itself if Norfolk does indeed fold and the Blackhawks need a new AHL partner or if the Lightning feel they can go it alone next season.
I guess the question then becomes, has Taffe played well enough to justify a role on the big team?

From what I've seen he's played very well at the NHL level and he deserves to be there. No, his minutes aren't what they would be in Springfield but it is likely that sending a deserving player back to the minors would demotivate Taffe (I would anticipate that the coach and GM informed Taffe at the initial demotion that if he worked on his game he would be recalled - they are likely just keeping their word). Having him on the big team also sends a message to the remaining prospects that if you put the effort in, the organization will reward you.

Your point is well made though.

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I guess the question then becomes, has Taffe played well enough to justify a role on the big team?

From what I've seen he's played very well at the NHL level and he deserves to be there. No, his minutes aren't what they would be in Springfield but it is likely that sending a deserving player back to the minors would demotivate Taffe (I would anticipate that the coach and GM informed Taffe at the initial demotion that if he worked on his game he would be recalled - they are likely just keeping their word). Having him on the big team also sends a message to the remaining prospects that if you put the effort in, the organization will reward you.

Your point is well made though.
Has he played well enough to justify a role on the team ? 31gp 3g. I suppose a further question to be asked is whether he's better at this point than Landon Wilson.

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One thing that bugs me is how often people say a guy like Taffe or Sjostrom HAS to stay in the NHL since they don't look out of place. I think people forget that these players are supposed to do more than not look out of place. Taffe & Sjostrom should ONLY play for the Coyotes if they are going to play significant roles. One could argue both points with each player, as well as Spiller. I would say Spiller & Taffe would be better off in Springfield. Sjostrom has seen some time on the top line, but if he's not on a scoring line, as he has seemed to falled the past game, then send him back down. Reason being, these players will develop with the minutes they play. Springfield might not be a winner, but they would be a better team with Sjostrom, Spiller, and Taffe. I fully agree on giving these young kids opportunities and call ups, but only under the circumstances where they are given real chances as they have received, but since somewhat lost.

Then of course that leaves holes on the Coyotes, which is an issue in how to deal with them. You don't want to load up on vets taking jobs away, but I'd say you maybe even take a guy like Jaspers out of Springfield instead to play those low minutes.

Not sure if any of it makes sense, sometimes I have a hard time expressing myself, but I see something here.

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Not sure if any of it makes sense, sometimes I have a hard time expressing myself, but I see something here.[/QUOTE]

Don't worry about that, Go coyotes. It makes sense and if once, I didn't understand your point I would just ask you a question. It is nice to have as many people as possible on this board to discuss any subject.

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Spiller is up with the coyotes because Tanabe is injured and he is currently the 6th best Dman in the organization. Sjostrom is here because they want his speed on the 1st line and no one else on this team except Tanabe can skate like him. They both earn their keep. Taffe is looking like an excellent playmaker. They can do without him here but I don't see him improving any in Springy. I also firmly believe that a team needs to introduce some rookies every season. It helps intigrate them into the team and adds energy and enthusiasm. These players would typically replace the bottom players on the team. I think they are better off in Phoenix. Playing for MMcS is bad for any players development but I think these players earn their keep.

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I also firmly believe that a team needs to introduce some rookies every season. It helps intigrate them into the team and adds energy and enthusiasm. These players would typically replace the bottom players on the team. I think they are better off in Phoenix. Playing for MMcS is bad for any players development but I think these players earn their keep.
I agree with that statement, but as I said, they need to be put in roles that improve their development and not stifle it. Sjostrom's time in Phoenix has been a positive experience, but if he ends up playing 3rd or 4th line minutes like Taffe has been, then the benefit is not there. Spiller is obviously a call up because we have no one else to take that spot, and he'd be the first guy back to Springfield if they acquired a defenseman. Taffe has had some moments on this team, but has become more of a powerplay specialist that rots on the 4th line. Half of that role helps him, and I am undecided if it helps him more than being the go to guy in Springfield.

I think Springfield is closer to winning than the Coyotes are realistically. If these kids were on the farm, they might have a playoff team. Instead they are here, we aren't a playoff team and neither are they now. I'd rather see the kids learning in a winning atmosphere in the AHL, win a Calder or at least get some playoff games as they adjust to the full schedule they left behind in college or Europe. McSorely has got to go, and it's an example of a poor judgement by management pulling a favor for a friend instead of making a smart choice.

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Has he played well enough to justify a role on the team ? 31gp 3g. I suppose a further question to be asked is whether he's better at this point than Landon Wilson.
I'd argue that he's played better than more than half of our team. He's worked hard to improve his game and is an asset on the ice. He's certainly more deserving of ice time than a player like Landon Wilson. Actually, that's kind of the point. Taffe has done everything the organization has asked him to do. They do not have any grounds to send him down. Doing so sends the wrong message. I feel for the Falcons but Phoenix's first priority is to the parent club. Taffe makes them a better team.

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Taffe is getting more than just 3rd/4th line minutes. He is also on the 2nd pp unit & always out there for 2 man advantage situations.

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Taffe is getting more than just 3rd/4th line minutes. He is also on the 2nd pp unit & always out there for 2 man advantage situations.
Even strength the past two games Taffe has played on the 4th line, and before that as well. If that is not 4th line minutes, I don't know what is. Again, I said he's become a powerplay specialist as he does play the 2nd PP unit. So nothing new there.

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Taffe is getting more than just 3rd/4th line minutes. He is also on the 2nd pp unit & always out there for 2 man advantage situations.

Apparently he's scheduled for more ice time against the Stars according to the AZ Republic but 3 goals in 32 games speaks for itself.

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Apparently he's scheduled for more ice time against the Stars according to the AZ Republic but 3 goals in 32 games speaks for itself.
as does the fact that only ten players on the team have more goals than him and one is fellow rookie Sjostrom.

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as does the fact that only ten players on the team have more goals than him and one is fellow rookie Sjostrom.

ONLY Ten ? Being the11th leading scorer on a rather mediocre squad is hardly anything to write home about.


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ONLY Ten ?
Doan
Nagy
Langkow
Radivojevic
Hrdina
Savage
Gratton
Tanabe (out for season)
Sjostrom
Suchy (didn't he set a record for his inability to score goals)

8 forwards and 2 d-men.

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ONLY Ten ? Being the11th leading scorer on a rather mediocre squad is hardly anything to write home about.
Let's be fair. Taffe needs to play with a set up man so he can take advantage of his shot and quick release but the Yotes don't have one. Don't you think that if Taffe played with Doan and Langkow instead of Sjostrom that he wouldn't have at least 7-10 goals by now? It amazes me how people rate players on goals or pts. or plus-minus without looking at the whole picture. I'm suprized at you hbk as you normally show more thought in your posts. And yes, I say all of this from reading the box scores and this board. I continue to boycott watching NHL hockey until I see a sincere attempt to fix what has become "gladiators on ice hockey" and an extremely boring brand of hockey.

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as does the fact that only ten players on the team have more goals than him and one is fellow rookie Sjostrom.
3 goals in 33 games. The impression I get is that a majority of posters here would only be happy if, regardless of merit, the Yotes roster would be set at at 26 or 27 with 2 or 3 stashed in the press box rather than here developing and the Falcons roster set at 15 or 16. Based on the record of the Falcons since the start of the 99-00 season it is fair to say that Phoenix treats their AHL affiliate in a manner totally different than any other NHL team despite stevex' protestations to the contrary.

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What a load of rubbish scoob. If you really believe all that, no wonder you have such a giant chip on your shoulder. If you got rid of it you'd be a lot nicer to chat to on the boards.

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3 goals in 33 games. The impression I get is that a majority of posters here would only be happy if, regardless of merit, the Yotes roster would be set at at 26 or 27 with 2 or 3 stashed in the press box rather than here developing and the Falcons roster set at 15 or 16. Based on the record of the Falcons since the start of the 99-00 season it is fair to say that Phoenix treats their AHL affiliate in a manner totally different than any other NHL team despite stevex' protestations to the contrary.

Canucks have done a number of call ups lately on the Moose which has left them short-handed.

To be fair, Phoenix attempted to provide some scoring jump this season with the acquisition of the Ferraro's and improve the blueline with the acquisition of Helmer. Things didn't work out. Hindsight is 20/20.

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