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02-08-2008, 11:32 AM
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Cherepanov's offensive talent

Just sitting here going over some things...

Now, i am not advocating he is anywhere near Ovechkin, but i am going to use Ovechkin's RSL career to emphasis how much offensive talent Cherepanov has.

In his rookie year, Cherepanov broke the rookie scoring record with 18 goals. Also had 11 assists for 29 points in 47 games. At ages 17-18.

Ovechkin's rookie season in the RSL he put up 2 goals 2 assists for 4 points in 21 games. At age 16.

There is obviously an age differene here.

However, Ovechkin proceeded to play 3 more seasons in the RSL. Reaching highs in goals 13 back to back in his last 2 years in the RSL. Also reaching 23 points(53 games, 18yrs old) and 26 points(37 games, 19yrs old) respectively in his last two seasons in the RSL.

Cherepanov now in his second year in the RSL at age 19, currently has 11 goals 11 assists for 22 points in 38 games. Only his second year in the league.

By the time Ovechkin reached the double digit goal mark in RSL, he was already in his 3rd season.

Now by contrast, Cherepanov, although older in his first season, scored more goals then Ovechkin had in his 3rd year. May very well score more then 13 in his second year to also pass Ovechkin's 4th year. Both of those seasons being at the same ages as eachother.

Now, obviously we know the RSL stats are not a great way to gage how a player will perform in the NHL.

But, if the consistency in production, and comparison to production of possibly one of the greatest offensive players to EVER play in the NHL are any indication, Cherepanov will be a very very gifted offensive talent in the NHL as early as next season.

Please note that i said OFFENSIVE TALENT. Ovechkin is a superior player to just about everyone in the NHL, let alone out side of it. And Cherepanov needs work on the physical aspect, defensive aspect, and strength... but you can obviously see the potential is there. Also, Cherepanov has improved his game away from the puck, also has improved his ability to set up teammates for goals.

I would not be surprised by a Malkin-ish production-like season in his rookie year... granted the terrible-at-utilizing-youth-and-talent-properly Rangers organization uses Cherepanov properly in game situations... i.e. using him for what he is, an offensive gift. That means top 2 lines. And top power play unit...NOT third line and checking line duties.


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i like your optimism, but i dont expect more than 55ish p oints out of him in his nhl rookie campaign. I see him peaking as a guy who puts up 80-85 points year in and out...which is fine by me, i'll take it out of a late first rounder gladly

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sheesh when was the last time the NY Rangers actually had a bona fide drafted/homegrown "Malkinish" prospect?

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sheesh when was the last time the NY Rangers actually had a bona fide drafted/homegrown "Malkinish" prospect?
Amonte was close.

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kovalev was close too

really, i would say brian leetch is our last home grown super star

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Amazing that we now potentially have:

-Cherep
-Staal
-Sangs

as potential "superstars" with

-Dubi
-AA
-Dawes

as one step below

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i like your optimism, but i dont expect more than 55ish p oints out of him in his nhl rookie campaign. I see him peaking as a guy who puts up 80-85 points year in and out...which is fine by me, i'll take it out of a late first rounder gladly
I personally find 55ish points to be a bit optimistic but of course it is reachable.

I just don't see the 'exceptional' offense.

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kovalev was close too

really, i would say brian leetch is our last home grown super star
Leetch being a D man is a different breed in my mind. Same with Henrik(plus he was a surprise for most of us)

Kovalev......seems like eons ago

How do you think Cherry matches up with Kovalev?

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Amazing that we now potentially have:

-Cherep
-Staal
-Sangs

as potential "superstars" with

-Dubi
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-Dawes

as one step below
Lets not forget THE KING

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Leetch being a D man is a different breed in my mind. Same with Henrik(plus he was a surprise for most of us)

Kovalev......seems like eons ago

How do you think Cherry matches up with Kovalev?
honestly, i think cherry is much closure to Kovalev than malkin, AO, etc.

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Lets not forget THE KING
Of course, I guess I was focused on skaters. Besides, Henke seems to be a bit of a sore subject around here lately.

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Amazing that we now potentially have:

-Cherep
-Staal
-Sangs

as potential "superstars" with

-Dubi
-AA
-Dawes

as one step below
i think dawes is going to surprise a lot of people, i have said sinde the beginning of the season....he has the offensive skills to produce a ppg at the nhl level....let him get comfortable and he will be a huge player in the future for the rangers

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i think dawes is going to surprise a lot of people, i have said sinde the beginning of the season....he has the offensive skills to produce a ppg at the nhl level....let him get comfortable and he will be a huge player in the future for the rangers

Dawes a ppg player in the NHL? He's going to need more icetime

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Dawes a ppg player in the NHL? He's going to need more icetime
honestly, the more i see him, the more skill he shows me.

i originally thought he would be a 50-60 point player, but i think if he continues to impress and develop he could be a 75-85 point player

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Dawes a ppg player in the NHL? He's going to need more icetime
he will get it next year...still very young and has the vision to set-up plays and score

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Statistically and stylistically he is more like Frolov. But of course stats=bs. Next 2 years will say - he gonna be like Chistov or like Frolov.

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kovalev was close too

really, i would say brian leetch is our last home grown super star
I really hope he doesn't end up like Kovalev. We have enough problems with defense and consistency!

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Oh, and comparisons with Zherdev and Kovalev - bs.

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I really hope he doesn't end up like Kovalev. We have enough problems with defense and consistency!
End up with 1000 points, 1200+ nhl games and cup?

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I think Cherepanov has the potential to be one rung below Bure on the ladder of Russian snipers. If his defensive game and strength develop, I can see him being as good or even better than Kovalev in his prime.

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End up with 1000 points, 1200+ nhl games and cup?
He means moody and inconsistent. Which is a fairly accurate description of Kovalev in his time with the Rangers (at least the second go around).

The moody label is a tough one because we don't know what's really going on in these players heads, so that might be unfair, but the inconsistent label is pretty accurate.

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Please note that i said OFFENSIVE TALENT. Ovechkin is a superior player to just about everyone in the NHL, let alone out side of it. And Cherepanov needs work on the physical aspect, defensive aspect, and strength... but you can obviously see the potential is there. Also, Cherepanov has improved his game away from the puck, also has improved his ability to set up teammates for goals.
Considering that those three things are often what separate successful foreign league players from successful NHLers, I am fairly confident in asserting that your projections for Cherepanov are a bit, well... optimistic. Unless his "physical aspect" and strength improve dramatically over the summer, Cherepanov is going to have to worry more about his own survival than trying to attain "Malkin-ish" type numbers as a rookie.

I understand the temptation to extrapolate on Cherry's admittedly impressive performance in the RSL, but I think it would make more sense to compare the player's style to the league's style and maybe re-evaluate. Ovechkin and Malkin are built for NHL hockey. Cherepanov certainly seems to be built for the RSL game. Let's hope he can adjust to the NHL first, and maybe flourish in it afterwards.

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I'm so glad Gomez is on the team for 7 years. He is exactly the type of player Cherepanov can develop and thrive with.

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if he gets more strength, better conditioned, and more defensively responsible, i can see him scoring 100+ points a year.

if he stays as is, hes a 50-60 point getter.

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Cherepanov now in his second year in the RSL at age 19, currently has 11 goals 11 assists for 22 points in 38 games. Only his second year in the league.
Keep in mind this is Cherepanov's 18 year old season not 19. He just turned 19 in January, just like this is Staal's 20 year old season even though he turned 21 in January. If Chere was in the CHL he'd still be an underager next season. All this makes his point totals all the more impressive.

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