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02-11-2008, 03:20 PM
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Have the Kings ever done anything?

Personally, I don't think the Kings get mentioned enough when people discuss the NHL's worst franchises. Of course they have the worst record in the league right now, but I mean over their whole history too. They did make the Finals in '93, but the only other time they've even made the last four teams was in '69, when they were 24-42-10 and beat Oakland before being swept by St. Louis in the expansion division finals. They've only finished 1st in their division once, in '91 with 102 points, and they've only had 95 points three times(aforementioned plus 105 in 75, 99 in '81). They've had some great players, like Gretzky, Robitaille, and Dionne, but as a team they've never really done much of anything. Making the '93 Finals and the Miracle on Manchester are really their only major accomplishments.

As a side note, I think it's ironic that the Kings are the only franchise in the four major pro leagues to spend their entire existence in LA. The Dodgers, Rams, Raiders, Lakers, and Clippers all started in other cities, and the Angels and Chargers started in LA but moved elsewhere in SoCal.


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Neither has Columbus. Or Nashville. Or Florida. Or either incarnation of Minnesota. Or Atlanta. Or Phoenix. Or San Jose. Or Vancouver. Or Ottawa. There are plenty of teams that have never won a championship.

So what?

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To not win, and get only a sniff 1 time in 40+ years is pretty bad.

If it wasnt for McNall buying Gretzky, you can count never having a sniff of the cup in 40+ years.

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Never having a sniff of the cup in 40+ years.
The Blues "made the finals" for 3 years in a row, but they never got a sniff at the Cup either. They were completely overmatched by the Canadiens, Canadiens and Bruins (even after sweeping the Flyers and Kings in the Western playoffs) and were swept in all three finals.

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They've got cool new uniforms... and somehow kidnapped jack johnson from the hurricanes

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Yeah they have a rotten history no doubt. The Triple Crown line should have unleashed a little bit more damage than they hashed out despite the fact that they were basically a one-line team. Dionne, Simmer and Taylor were not playoff performers though and it hurt them. Before that Goring was an alright player for them and the brightest light in the '70s other than Dionne was Vachon who was great.

But yeah the Kings havent been a threat to win the Cup in 15 years. And I mean not even close either. From '88-93 were the only years they were at least moderately feared to play against in the playoffs and that was because of #99. That leaves 35/40 years where they have been pretty much a laughingstock. Then again, Steve Stamkos will give them a little hand starting in October of 2008

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02-11-2008, 11:40 PM
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None of the '67, '70 expansion teams have done anything.

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Neither has ... Or Ottawa. There are plenty of teams that have never won a championship.
Au contraire.
http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nhl...ginalsens.html

Different franchise, for sure, but championships (multiple!) nonetheless.

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The Blues "made the finals" for 3 years in a row, but they never got a sniff at the Cup either. They were completely overmatched by the Canadiens, Canadiens and Bruins (even after sweeping the Flyers and Kings in the Western playoffs) and were swept in all three finals.
The difference is, prior to the last few seasons St. Louis was a very competitive team. They made the playoffs for 20 something straight seasons. They also captured the Presidents trophy a few years ago.

And making the playoffs is a greater accomplishment than not making it. Once you make the playoffs, there really is no telling what could happen. There is always that chance that you could be the Cinderella team to win the cup. The Kings however, haven't been close.

They are continually one of the worst teams in the league and have been for most of the last 15 years.

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02-12-2008, 09:59 AM
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The Kings of the 70s and early 80s are a perfect example of why you should keep your draft picks. Sam Pollock and other GMs made a hobby out of suckering them in deals.

Some of the players selected by 1st and 2nd round draft picks the Kings traded:

Larry Robinson
Steve Shutt
Andre Savard
Mario Tremblay
Pierre Mondou
Ron Duguay
Ray Bourque
Phil Housely
Tom Barrasso

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The sad reality is... this is the first time in 40 years where the team hasn't been mis-managed. We've been run by idiots forever. Mcnalls stint as owner was our finest hour and it turns out even he ended up shriveling the team into nothingness. This is the first time in a long time where we've actually kept our picks and used them in a positive light instead of grabbing the Aki Berg's of the world with lottery picks.

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None of the '67, '70 expansion teams have done anything.

(Yes, I'm aware of what team I follow.)
The Pens and Flyers have two cups each, the North Stars/Stars one.

The Pens hold the NHL record for the longest winning streak in both the regular season and playoffs.

The Flyers hold the league record for the longest regular season unbeaten streak.

A tough a season as the Kings have had, I still like their young nucleus going forward, will be interesting to see what they do at the deadline and who they draft this summer.

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The Kings have done nothing. The 1991 team should have won the cup but fizzled in the playoffs.

The Kings owe their fans for being so loyal. The franchise it a bitter disappointment.

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The Blues "made the finals" for 3 years in a row, but they never got a sniff at the Cup either. They were completely overmatched by the Canadiens, Canadiens and Bruins (even after sweeping the Flyers and Kings in the Western playoffs) and were swept in all three finals.

Yeah they have never won, I was just getting at the fact that they only have been in the finals once in their history. Pretty bad.

Are there any other pro teams that have had less success than this?

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Or either incarnation of Minnesota.
The "first incarnation of Minnesota" did win a Cup, though they had to move to Dallas to get it done.

One Cup Final, the "Miracle on Manchester", and the Triple Crown Line - not a lot to show for 40+ years.

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Yeah they have never won, I was just getting at the fact that they only have been in the finals once in their history. Pretty bad.

Are there any other pro teams that have had less success than this?
Since '67? Well there is that original 6 team that hasnt made the Cup finals since that same year. Here's a hint: They were a favourite to win the year the Kings made it. Honestly people the Kings blow, always have, but since '67 is their status any worse than the Leafs? The '70s? It's a draw, both had teams that werent laughable but not great. '80s? Give the edge to LA. '90s? Give the edge to TO. '00s? Give the edge to TO. Post lockout? Pretty much even. In fact right now both are fighting for the right for Stamkos

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Au contraire.
http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nhl...ginalsens.html

Different franchise, for sure, but championships (multiple!) nonetheless.
Yes, OK, the city of Ottawa has won sports championships before. We knew that. Let's change my sentence to "the Bluejackets, Senators, North Stars, Wild, whoever ..." and press on.
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The difference is, prior to the last few seasons St. Louis was a very competitive team. They made the playoffs for 20 something straight seasons. They also captured the Presidents trophy a few years ago.

And making the playoffs is a greater accomplishment than not making it. Once you make the playoffs, there really is no telling what could happen. There is always that chance that you could be the Cinderella team to win the cup. The Kings however, haven't been close.

They are continually one of the worst teams in the league and have been for most of the last 15 years.
In the era of the 8-team playoff, you only have to be average to make the playoffs. More teams make it today than don't. Simply making the playoffs is not a sign that you are competitive. The Blues never made it through a full-strength playoffs and to the finals, which is arguably less success than the 1 finals the Kings have qualified for. 100 Presidents trophies mean less than 1 Stanley Cup.
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The "first incarnation of Minnesota" did win a Cup, though they had to move to Dallas to get it done.
In Dallas, we take great pride in the fact that our team only needed 4 seasons to become a full-up Cup contender.

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Yes, OK, the city of Ottawa has won sports championships before. We knew that. Let's change my sentence to "the Bluejackets, Senators, North Stars, Wild, whoever ..." and press on.In the era of the 8-team playoff, you only have to be average to make the playoffs. More teams make it today than don't. Simply making the playoffs is not a sign that you are competitive. The Blues never made it through a full-strength playoffs and to the finals, which is arguably less success than the 1 finals the Kings have qualified for. 100 Presidents trophies mean less than 1 Stanley Cup.In Dallas, we take great pride in the fact that our team only needed 4 seasons to become a full-up Cup contender.
Four seasons of being in Dallas, not four seasons of existence. The Avalanche won the cup their first season in Colorado. I'm not trying to take away the accomplishments of the Stars or Aves but there's a big difference between a team moving and an expansion team.

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Yeah they have never won, I was just getting at the fact that they only have been in the finals once in their history. Pretty bad.

Are there any other pro teams that have had less success than this?
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In the era of the 8-team playoff, you only have to be average to make the playoffs. More teams make it today than don't. Simply making the playoffs is not a sign that you are competitive. The Blues never made it through a full-strength playoffs and to the finals, which is arguably less success than the 1 finals the Kings have qualified for. 100 Presidents trophies mean less than 1 Stanley Cup.
The Blues have made the playoffs 34 times, the Kings 23 times. The Blues have won 23 playoff series, the Kings have won 11. Big difference.

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None of the '67, '70 expansion teams have done anything.

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Huh.

Wikipedia sayz:

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The expansion process formally began in March, 1965 when NHL President Clarence Campbell announced that the league proposed to expand its operations through the formation of a second six-team division. In February, 1966 the NHL Board of Governors considered applications from 14 different ownership groups, including five from Los Angeles, two from Pittsburgh, and one each from Minneapolis-St. Paul, Philadelphia, San Francisco-Oakland, St. Louis, Baltimore, Buffalo and Vancouver. Cleveland and Louisville had also expressed previous interest but were not represented. [5]

The six franchises ulitmately added were:

* California Seals (renamed Oakland Seals midway through the first season, and later California Golden Seals)
* Los Angeles Kings
* Minnesota North Stars
* Philadelphia Flyers
* Pittsburgh Penguins
* St. Louis Blues
Sounds like the Flyers and the Pens have done "something".

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Well, they did kick Chris Osgood's a$$ in 2001!

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Well, they did kick Chris Osgood's a$$ in 2001!
That was pretty enjoyable...I guess that is what we have to look at as "success" while you guys continue to compete for the cup.

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81-82 Kings knocked out the Oilers in the first round of the playoffs 3-2

88-89 Kings Knocked out the Oilers in 4-3 in the Smythe Div semis

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The 93 Kings destroyed the hopes and dreams of many hockey fans across Canada when they defeated the Leafs and prevented the Tor-Mon final!

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