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02-14-2008, 09:29 AM
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If Chipchura was the missing piece to a Hossa or Jokinen deal, you can bet he would be traded.
I can't help but think that Jokinen is one of the most overrated players in the league. Yes, he racks up points but his icetime is ridiculous over there. No way does he get that icetime with us.

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02-14-2008, 09:35 AM
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I can't help but think that Jokinen is one of the most overrated players in the league. Yes, he racks up points but his icetime is ridiculous over there. No way does he get that icetime with us.
Well if we acquire him and Carbo wants to win he will need to stop playing the 3rd and 4th lines over 10 minutes each

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Chip isn't going anywhere. He is the kind of player that championship teams are built around and Gainey loves the kid.
In my opinion, Chipchura is the most available prospect. I really doubt his upside can reach a 2nd line center and with Lapierre and eventually White and Maxwell, Chipchura isn't that important for us and he could have a very good value on the market...

If we want to acquire a good player, Chipchura should be sacrifice.

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Don't like this idea. Chipchura is going to be an amazing third line center in the future, he's a natural leader, his board play is phenomenal. He has underrated offensive upside. I think it'd be in our best interest to keep him.

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I can't help but think that Jokinen is one of the most overrated players in the league. Yes, he racks up points but his icetime is ridiculous over there. No way does he get that icetime with us.
Lecavalier gets alot of icetime too...You don't think he'd be able to produce over here as much as he does in Tampa?

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02-14-2008, 09:42 AM
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In my opinion, Chipchura is the most available prospect. I really doubt his upside can reach a 2nd line center and with Lapierre and eventually White and Maxwell, Chipchura isn't that important for us and he could have a very good value on the market...

If we want to acquire a good player, Chipchura should be sacrifice.
Chipchura can be a 2nd line centre ala Fisher type. And his upside is eons ahead of Lapierre's, so I wouldn't say "we have Lapierre so we don't need Chipchura".

I like Lapierre (well, more the Lapierre of last year), but he's a 4th liner at best. At absolute best.

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Lecavalier gets alot of icetime too...You don't think he'd be able to produce over here as much as he does in Tampa?
Actually no, I personally don't think he would, especially not without St. Louis.

I'm personally not sure if Chipchura can be a 2nd line centre, but he definitely projects to be an awesome 3rd line shutdown centre in the future that can potenially pot in 15, maybe even 20 goals at his peak.

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In my opinion, Chipchura is the most available prospect. I really doubt his upside can reach a 2nd line center and with Lapierre and eventually White and Maxwell, Chipchura isn't that important for us and he could have a very good value on the market...

If we want to acquire a good player, Chipchura should be sacrifice.
But Chips isn't supposed to be a 2nd line center.

He's a Carbonneau, Skrudland, Gainey type guy... defensive shutdown specialist who can put up a few points along the way. He's got tons of leadership too. Whenever you look at cup winning teams, those are the unsung heroes that really help you win.

And I'm sorry but I still don't think we're good enough to beat Ottawa right now even with Hossa. I can't deny though that the Habs have been infinitely better than I thought they'd be this year so I could be completely wrong on that.

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02-14-2008, 09:44 AM
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Lecavalier gets alot of icetime too...You don't think he'd be able to produce over here as much as he does in Tampa?
If you look over the past few years, Jokinen's got to be top five in terms of icetime and he puts up around 90 points a season. I don't see him getting that much time here and I'd expect his points to drop. I'm not saying he's bad, just that he plays the full 2 minutes on the PP over there and it wouldn't happen here or probably anywhere else for that matter.

If Lecavalier came here? He'd probably play 45 mins a game...

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If we don't want to give Chipchura, we will have nothing...

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If we don't want to give Chipchura, we will have nothing...
And you know what, I'm personally fine with that. The only player I'd be willing to trade Chipchura for is Hossa, and as the days pass by, the less likely I see him traded in Montreal, especially with him being increasingly picky.

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If we don't want to give Chipchura, we will have nothing...
We won't have nothing. We'll have a young team that can develop.

Sometimes the best move is no move at all.

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We won't have nothing. We'll have a young team that can develop.

Sometimes the best move is no move at all.
I know, but we have too many prospects... We have to make choices!

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02-14-2008, 09:55 AM
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I know, but we have too many prospects... We have to make choices!
Okay, but do we have to make those choices this season?

I don't disagree with you. Sooner or later we'll probably have to start dealing some of the prospects that we have but I don't think this is the season for it. Guys like O'Byrne and Chipchura are players that I don't want to lose.

Many people here disagree with me on this though.

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02-14-2008, 09:56 AM
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There was a press conference with Waddell Burke and another GM talking about the trading period...the consensus was that due to failures last year by some teams, there would be hesitation to trade away high picks and prospects for rental players...that may be good news for the Habs if prices go down a bit...or at least there are less buyers...last year Atlanta and NY Islanders lost a lot just to sneak into the playoffs and get pummelled in 4 or 5, I think you'll see more #8-9-10-11-12 teams selling instead of buying like Carolina did instead of trying to gamble on reliving the Edmonton and Calgary dream runs to the final.

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02-14-2008, 09:57 AM
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I have just one question. Why would this happen when there are other players that are currently playing now on the Habs with less skill? If so who on the current farm team has a chance of making this club. i AM A FAN of Chip and I am begining to think that it would be more beneficial for him to be trader to another team. The way it is now he probably won't see another game this year with the HAbs even though he should be there rplacing Laps who I can't justify what he is doing that is so much better than what we seen Chip can do and better. Those are my thoughts. Any one else out there who can explain to me why he would be traded.
The only way I can see Chips going is if it is for a star like Hossa or Tanguay

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02-14-2008, 09:58 AM
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If you look over the past few years, Jokinen's got to be top five in terms of icetime and he puts up around 90 points a season. I don't see him getting that much time here and I'd expect his points to drop. I'm not saying he's bad, just that he plays the full 2 minutes on the PP over there and it wouldn't happen here or probably anywhere else for that matter.

If Lecavalier came here? He'd probably play 45 mins a game...
Woot, thanks for your feelings.

Bob, you found your trust guy there.

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02-14-2008, 10:00 AM
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Right, because we got so many guys to eat Jokinen's TOI right ?
We've got two solid scoring lines and it would definitely eat into his icetime. Nevermind the fact that Carbo plays Wheel of Fortune with his lines...
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Do you have 'feelings' for every other player too ? I bet Hossa's production would drop because he'd play behind Kovalev on PP amirite ? (LMAO at least I made sense).
Nope, just Jokinen. I don't think he's the superstar that Hossa is. Just my opinion.

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Woot, thanks for your feelings.

Bob, you found your trust guy there.
I guess you're a Jokinen fan then?

Sorry for upsetting you. Its just the way I see the guy.

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I know, but we have too many prospects... We have to make choices!
Top prospects? I don't think so.
Even if Chipchura is really close to being a fullt-ime NHLer, I would not consider him as a top prospect.
McDonagh? Pacioretty? We don't know if they'll ever make it to the big league right now. I hope/think so, but how many times have we seen a "sure shot prospect" fail? Lots of times.

Why do we have to make choices? We could wait for veterans contract to end up and insert rookies/prospects in the lineup.

That being said, if they decide to move Chipchura, I wouldn't mind. As long as what we're receiving helps the team.

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I would much rahter trade our 1st pick for a sure bet player like Chipchura, he's way too important for our future, he's our most intelligent center and also the one with the most vision on the ice. One day that kid will be a FORCE in the defensive zone, he's already the best player we got when it comes to postion himself defensively when it comes to intercepting a pass or blocking an angle

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Okay, but do we have to make those choices this season?

I don't disagree with you. Sooner or later we'll probably have to start dealing some of the prospects that we have but I don't think this is the season for it. Guys like O'Byrne and Chipchura are players that I don't want to lose.

Many people here disagree with me on this though.
We have Markov, Komisarek and Hamrlik for still 3 other years. We have Emelin, Valentenko, McDonagh, Fischer, Carle, Weber, Subban... and you don't want lose O'Byrne???

Question: If Waddel offers you Chipchura + O'Byrne + 1st for Hossa and you can resign him for 3-4 years (6-7M$), do you accept it???

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We have Markov, Komisarek and Hamrlik for still 3 other years. We have Emelin, Valentenko, McDonagh, Fischer, Carle, Weber, Subban... and you don't want lose O'Byrne???

Question: If Waddel offers you Chipchura + O'Byrne + 1st for Hossa and you can resign him for 3-4 years (6-7M$), do you accept it???
Where do I sign?

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I guess you're a Jokinen fan then?

Sorry for upsetting you. Its just the way I see the guy.
Youre that kinda guy who sees things once, then go on tomoroow somewhre to go bla-bla and pretend to have thoughts.

I hate the concept of opinion, that gives rights to people to say whatever and removes my right to be pissed.

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We have Markov, Komisarek and Hamrlik for still 3 other years. We have Emelin, Valentenko, McDonagh, Fischer, Carle, Weber, Subban... and you don't want lose O'Byrne???

Question: If Waddel offers you Chipchura + O'Byrne + 1st for Hossa and you can resign him for 3-4 years (6-7M$), do you accept it???
I'd sooner trade Carle, Weber, Subban or Fischer than O'Byrne. Those are guys that I'd be willing to deal. Ryder, a 1st rounder... sure. But I don't want to touch the future core of this team.

I don't want to lose O'Byrne because tough 6'5 defenseman who can skate aren't easy to find. He's going to be amazing. Defense wins cups and Chips, O'Byrne and Komisarek would be tough to beat.

And to answer your question, although I'd be tempted to do the deal and finally get a scorer, no I don't. I think your giving up too much and I'd be surprised if Gainey gave up that much either. I could see him giving up either O'Byrne or Chipchura and a 1st though.

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