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01-29-2004, 07:08 PM
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Forsberg vs. Thornton

Hey guys, i'm having this huge debate with people in another thread and i was jus curious....

Who's the better all around player in the game?
Who is better in all facets of the game?
Which player would you build your francise around?
Who is more skilled?
Who's more dominant and is more feared in the league?

Thornton or Forsberg.....


explain. thanks.


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Better all around game-Forsberg
More skilled-Forsberg
More feared-Forsberg

Who would I build around?-Thornton

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Thornton is better to build a franchise around NOW since he is much younger. They are both great great players, but when Forsberg is playing healthy and 100% on top of his game he gets the edge over Thornton.

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yeah...this was a good debate last season, check the stats and you'll see that this year, there's no reason for this thread.

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true but one season's stats doesnt change a guys skill level. I want to know who's better last season, this season, and for seasons to come. Don't you guys think that Thornton has the better ability to make players around him better than they are? Example.... Knuble and Murray. If Murray was still in LA he'd probably still be scoring 15-20 goals and Knuble would be on the fourth line if Samsonov didnt get injured? How in the world did Knuble score 30 goals? wasnt it all because of Thornton?


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true but one season's stats doesnt change a guys skill level. I want to know who's better last season, this season, and for seasons to come. Don't you guys think that Thornton has the better ability to make players around him better?
Not to the degree that Forsberg does.

Forsberg has not been healthy for awhile now.....that being said, I would still pick Forsberg.

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Not to the degree that Forsberg does.

Forsberg has not been healthy for awhile now.....that being said, I would still pick Forsberg.
fair enough

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Forsberg is the answer to all those questions.

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I'd rather have Forsberg on my team...

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Hey guys, i'm having this huge debate with people in another thread and i was jus curious....


Who's the better all around player in the game?
Forsberg.

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Who is better in all facets of the game?
Forsberg.

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Which player would you build your francise around?
Sort of an unfair question. I would take Forsberg at 22 over Thornton at 22, that's for sure. But if we are talking about right now, then Thornton.

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Who is more skilled?
Forsberg.

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Who's more dominant and is more feared in the league?
Forsberg.

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I don't even think Thornton is in his prime... I think when Thornton actually gets there he'll be better... For now i'll for with Floppa

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You have to compare players at the same stage of their carriers.

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i dont think that thornton will ever be as dominating as forsberg. i always thought peter was the best until i moved to colorado, now i know it. as a hockey fan, i feel lucky to be around for the show. when he plays...they win. for all of their talent, he is the one guy truly capable of putting the team on his shoulders. i think forsbergs skating gives him a bit of an edge-its tough for big men to cut on a dime like forsberg can-im 6'4". when i watch joe do turns in the corners-there is no comparison-forsberg is the best at it, and the strongest. his playmaking is more developed(even when his was 22), his shot is underated(joe may have him there, just because peter doesnt shoot enough). the point about age is important-forsberg could retire after this year, you have to build around thornton. if you had to choose for one game-the stats dont even come into play...nobody can dominate like forsberg.

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Who's the better all around player in the game?

Forsberg. He's absolutely dominant. Only downside are his injuries. Thornton needs to mature a bit more to round out his game, but he'll get there.


Who is better in all facets of the game?

Forsberg. Only advantage I see Thornton having is strength, but Peter is deceivingly strong himself.


Which player would you build your francise around?

Having just complimented Forsberg abundently, I'd have to go with Thornton here. He'll be around much longer. If I build around Forsberg, my franchise could be down the tubes in 2 years if he decides to retire or if injuries take him out.


Who is more skilled?

Definitely Forsberg. Guy's a magician.


Who's more dominant and is more feared in the league?

Forsberg. Unless by fear you mean physical fear. Then, I could see a lot of people fearing Thornton. He's rough and not afraid to use the stick.

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01-29-2004, 10:03 PM
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yeah...this was a good debate last season, check the stats and you'll see that this year, there's no reason for this thread.
Tanguay is better than Knuble...

Hejduk is way better than Murray.

Stats don't mean everything.

Wait until Joe is 28 and then this comparism is fair.

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Tanguay is better than Knuble...

Hejduk is way better than Murray.

Stats don't mean everything.

Wait until Joe is 28 and then this comparism is fair.

yah man, i guess that's im trying to say. Thornton's got a scary upside while at this moment, we're watching Forsberg at his prime. If Thornton ever has allstar linemates, who knows what his totals would be.

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When both are on top of their games, it's close, but Forsberg gets the edge, he's just so dominant. Thornton is technically more of a power forward, and he is personally one of my favourite players so I'm kind of biased...

...and I haven't been much of a Forsberg fan since he punched Cloutier in the nuts, what the hell was that about?

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If Murray was still in LA he'd probably still be scoring 15-20 goals
Actually, the year Murray got traded to Boston he was doing quite well, and looked to be finally "breaking out". Granted it was only 9 games, but in those 9 games he had 6 goals and 5 assists. Knuble though definitely had a nice increase. Of course the extra ice time helps a lot, too. Thornton definitely padded Knuble's stats a bit, though. Murray I view as helping each other.

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Tanguay is better than Knuble...

Hejduk is way better than Murray.

Stats don't mean everything.

Wait until Joe is 28 and then this comparism is fair.


Hey guys, remember when Tanguay was a leech? Ah, those were the days...little did anyone know they were carrying Peter all along...

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Hey guys, i'm having this huge debate with people in another thread and i was jus curious....

Who's the better all around player in the game?
Who is better in all facets of the game?
Which player would you build your francise around?
Who is more skilled?
Who's more dominant and is more feared in the league?

Thornton or Forsberg.....


explain. thanks.
Forsberg in every category

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Right now, Forsberg would be my answer to most of your questions except for the franchise question. I base that according to how they were playing last year, as I did a few statistical comparisons between the top 5 scorers from last year, and Thornton came out on top of each one. Although I preferred Thornton based on what I'd seen, I wasn't expecting him to win the statistical comparisons, which since he did solidified my preference for Thornton.

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Right now, Forsberg would be my answer to most of your questions except for the franchise question. I base that according to how they were playing last year, as I did a few statistical comparisons between the top 5 scorers from last year, and Thornton came out on top of each one. Although I preferred Thornton based on what I'd seen, I wasn't expecting him to win the statistical comparisons, which since he did solidified my preference for Thornton.
what statistical comparisons did you use?

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what statistical comparisons did you use?
One tried to compare the players based upon production throughout the year, breaking the season down to evaluate consistency and production. The other was similar but gave more value to peak performances. I also did one based upon the opponents faced. There were some others I did throughout the year, but they weren't as thorough.

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forsberg easily.

thornton is good. and only 23 or 24 but forsberg is 30 and put away his threatining to go back to sweden id pick him over thronton.

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