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02-20-2008, 07:53 AM
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"I know we're not in the playoffs (as of) today, but this is the best season this franchise has ever had," Hitchcock said. "To even talk about being in the race toward the end of February is a feather in the players' caps.

"The feeling in the dressing room is that we've started to build some chemistry and we'd like to keep it together."

Maybe I'm crazy, but we've sucked since the all-star break and have lost 2 games handily the last few days to teams we should have beaten or at least scored more than 1 goal against. How is that chemistry?????????????

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I say Shop everyone but Pascal .. Nikki.. Jared.. Nash (shocked JF ?? ) .. Russell and Brassard .. And GET ME SOMEONE WHO CAN SCORE
That's my "keep" list too. But I'm concerned at this point that the deadline and off season are going to be non-events.

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"I know we're not in the playoffs (as of) today, but this is the best season this franchise has ever had," Hitchcock said. "To even talk about being in the race toward the end of February is a feather in the players' caps.

"The feeling in the dressing room is that we've started to build some chemistry and we'd like to keep it together."

Maybe I'm crazy, but we've sucked since the all-star break and have lost 2 games handily the last few days to teams we should have beaten or at least scored more than 1 goal against. How is that chemistry?????????????
I can't believe Hitch would say such things, especially after his post game comments after the Chicago game....I hope this is just posturing.

It comes to down to this, We don't have anybody to center Nash and Zherdev, you have to keep them on different lines to try and spread out the scoring, but you've got to have more skilled linemates than Peca and Chimera for Z.

Howson is doing a great disservice to the fan base and team to not move the players that he won't be resigning before this season is over because we won't make t he playoffs. Period.

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02-20-2008, 08:25 AM
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I can't believe Hitch would say such things, especially after his post game comments after the Chicago game....I hope this is just posturing.

It comes to down to this, We don't have anybody to center Nash and Zherdev, you have to keep them on different lines to try and spread out the scoring, but you've got to have more skilled linemates than Peca and Chimera for Z.
Howson and Hitch get the benefit of the doubt until the 27th from me, and if they've sat on their hands or made just little meaningless moves, I'll be beyond disappointed.

This team's problems are glaringly clear and it ain't issues of chemistry. Nash will never reach his full potential without a skilled center. Zherdev will forever be hamstrung without linemates who can create space. As it is, those are two players who would be top-tier scorers for about 12+ different teams in the NHL but who will forever be below-potential players unless they get the help they need. We're wasting some of their most productive years.

Howson could parlay the deadline into a major stockpile of assets to make a run at a top-flight center in the off-season. With Forsberg out, Feds is more valuable. With Blake on the shelf, Foote is more valuable. Everything is breaking our way when it comes to increasing the value of what we have in terms of the d/l. It's insane to think we might stand pat. Utterly insane. But again, I'm giving benefit of the doubt until the d/l passes, in the hopes that GMSH is just keeping the doings on the down low.

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Erik Smith had a pretty good read. I pretty much agree with everything he says. (and no this isnt the whole article, just the good part )


http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=13443

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Adam Foote - Oh, ha ha ha ha ha, that will be a good one. Almost as good as when we pawned off Marc Denis for Modin and Norrena. The constant propaganda from the Blue Jackets organization about Foote's great leadership skills and how he is the anchor on this team is what I believe to be nothing more than a sales pitch to anyone that will listen. The only place he is leading this team is off the cliff. You can tell that by the way this team has played since the All Star break that the leaders on this team may be leading this team but not in the direction that we need. Come one, come all and bring your best offer. We will be listening!

Sergei Fedorov - Hey it isn't the full size bar but at least it is a Snickers! No he isn't the Feds of the Red Wings glory days but he is better than most that is being put out there for trade bait. How much passion do you think Hossa, Jokinen, or Sundin will have for a team. Hossa and Jokinen know they are going to get paid and Sundin knows the team he will be coming back to but Federov will be playing for the next contract. He knows that if he performs well and helps lead a team to the playoffs and help get them some playoff wins, he will get another decent contract.

Michael Peca - Damn it! It's one of those chocolate covered candies! If I bite into this it could be carmel in the middle or it could be some tangerine nougat that will make me gag for a week. Peca could be the answer for several teams that need a center that wins a high percentage of faceoffs, very good on the penalty kill and a pretty good leader with a ton of experience on the other hand you could be getting a broken down injury prone player that has nothing left in the tank. Your going to have to bite into it to find out.

David Vyborny - Vyb's is like a chocolate covered jalapeno pepper. Most people wouldn't find it very appealing this year but certain kids dressed up in Mark Messier Rangers costume might think it would taste great. It is the only nature fit I have seen for Vyb's. Teaming him up with Jagr to try to reignite both their fires.

Ron Hainsey: Look at that flaming pile of crap and it's getting stuck all over your shoes. Oh the disgrace. This might be a bit strong for Hainsey but I have become a little upset with a guy that is thinking he is going to get $3.5 million a year on his next contract. If he gets it, God bless him but hopefully the Jackets won't pay that! He is suppose to be a puck moving defensemen that could help us on the powerplay. He can't put the puck on net. Believe me when I say that if you are anywhere in Nationwide Arena, and I mean anywhere, and the Jackets are on the powerplay and Hainsey lets a shot go, no one is safe! No one knows where that puck is going to go including Hainsey.

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02-20-2008, 08:52 AM
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"I know we're not in the playoffs (as of) today, but this is the best season this franchise has ever had," Hitchcock said. "To even talk about being in the race toward the end of February is a feather in the players' caps.

"The feeling in the dressing room is that we've started to build some chemistry and we'd like to keep it together."

Maybe I'm crazy, but we've sucked since the all-star break and have lost 2 games handily the last few days to teams we should have beaten or at least scored more than 1 goal against. How is that chemistry?????????????
I'm starting to think our coach is an egomaniac who seriously believes that all this team needs is a little more of his special magic to finally get over the hump. Hence the constant line changes, the constant praise of guys like Murray, etc. I'm really starting to think that Hitch is a guy who just doesn't believe that there is a talent ceiling and it concerns me.

Hopefully Howson will be the reasonable one and do what must be done. Keeping the defense intact wouldn't bother me so much, but the offense needs a major upgrade.

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02-20-2008, 09:03 AM
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"I know we're not in the playoffs (as of) today, but this is the best season this franchise has ever had," Hitchcock said. "To even talk about being in the race toward the end of February is a feather in the players' caps.

"The feeling in the dressing room is that we've started to build some chemistry and we'd like to keep it together."

Maybe I'm crazy, but we've sucked since the all-star break and have lost 2 games handily the last few days to teams we should have beaten or at least scored more than 1 goal against. How is that chemistry?????????????
Just my take on this but that is exactly what I would want hitch saying publically when nearing the deadline if I were Scott Howson. He is boosting the trade value of these guys simply by his words. We have to remember how much credit the word of Hitchcock is given around the league. I would be furious if he was saying who the bad apples were in public right now. That type of stuff needs to stay behind closed doors. It is plain and simple good business. Might also lead to why we have not seen him in many post game interviews lately. Maybe he is scared he might let it slip just who really stinks up the lockerroom and not be able to get them traded.

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I don't think Hitch is an egomaniac, ...anymore than most other coaches.

I didn't like his quote in today's 'spatch about "keeping this team together."
But upon reflection... I think it's what coaches and GMs do: Play good cop, bad cop.

I also didn't read his quote as an anti-trade/anti-improvement "we just need a little more time" plea. Rather, I agree with him. We just need a few parts and some tweaking.

BTW...lest you forget.... this is EXACTLY what several of us were saying LAST SUMMER. I was inviscerated on this board for saying so. What was that poster's name? Hitch's friend, uh, you know, the one YOU always argued with?

I'm Pro Hitch
Jury's still out on Howson. He has to show me he knows how to spend real money, not just spare change.

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"I know we're not in the playoffs (as of) today, but this is the best season this franchise has ever had," Hitchcock said. "To even talk about being in the race toward the end of February is a feather in the players' caps.

"The feeling in the dressing room is that we've started to build some chemistry and we'd like to keep it together."

Maybe I'm crazy, but we've sucked since the all-star break and have lost 2 games handily the last few days to teams we should have beaten or at least scored more than 1 goal against. How is that chemistry?????????????
I admit it raised one of my eyebrows, but I think this falls into the “what do you expect him to say?” category. If he’s responding to a question, then I think its unrealistic to expect him to call publicly for a fire sale, especially when the team at the time was only 3 pts out. If he put it out there himself without prompting, it could be an attempt to rally or motivate the team -- basically saying, “hey guys, I’m sticking up for you stiffs, freaking back me up.”

I reserve the right to change my opinion on this.

I’m a firm believer in taking giagantic doses of salt with every public comment from a coach or GM. What they’re saying privately, the stuff that we as fans rarely get to hear, is the really important stuff.

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02-20-2008, 09:09 AM
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BTW...lest you forget.... this is EXACTLY what several of us were saying LAST SUMMER. I was inviscerated on this board for saying so. What was that poster's name? Hitch's friend, uh, you know, the one YOU always argued with?
Oh, I don't forget. And I don't disagree. But I've said all along that trading these guys and re-signing them in July are not inconsistent--how is it a team like St. Louis (Tkachuk, Weight) or Pittsburgh (Recchi) do this all the time but we can't seem to do the same?

You'll notice that willien and the Hitchettes are decidely silent now that its become glaringly obvious that the that this team was not "more likely to have 100 points" than finish out of the playoffs. Ken Hitchcock is a good coach when he has a good team. This is not a good team as constructed.

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I like all those deals. And think the deals are pretty close to fair.
Thanks. Obviously I like 'em too. They create a new set of issues which would likely have to be addressed in the offseason, not the least of which is that there is no true shut-down line and Hitch has been begging for that. Also, Goglioski is a Russell-esque player, although he would likely start out in the 'Cuse. And Eminger is the closest thing to a PPQB, along with the presumably-resigned Hainsey (and I'd like to see Brass get some time there). The overall D depth is still questionable. And there are no grizzled vets, so some will wonder where the leadership comes from (I'm not so concerned) - Modin would likely become captain.

It does improve the skill level with two legit scoring lines and a fourth-line that fits Hitch's "specialist" concept.

Post-trade/pre-offseason

Nash-Richards-Modin
Christensen-Vermette-Zherdev
Chimera-Brassard-Novotny
Vorcek-Malhotra-Boll

Murray-Lindstrom-Pineault-Sestito-Legein-Konopka

Hedja-Methot
Hainsey-OKT
Eminger-Russell
(maybe Foote is brought back after the season?)

Leclaire
Sabourin

There's all your names, Bob! The exercise is over. None of this stuff is gonna happen, or not enough to make it worth considering. Back to legitimate discussion of stuff that might not happen.

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Thanks. Obviously I like 'em too. They create a new set of issues which would likely have to be addressed in the offseason, not the least of which is that there is no true shut-down line and Hitch has been begging for that. Also, Goglioski is a Russell-esque player, although he would likely start out in the 'Cuse. And Eminger is the closest thing to a PPQB, along with the presumably-resigned Hainsey (and I'd like to see Brass get some time there). The overall D depth is still questionable. And there are no grizzled vets, so some will wonder where the leadership comes from (I'm not so concerned) - Modin would likely become captain.

It does improve the skill level with two legit scoring lines and a fourth-line that fits Hitch's "specialist" concept.

Post-trade/pre-offseason

Nash-Richards-Modin
Christensen-Vermette-Zherdev
Chimera-Brassard-Novotny
Vorcek-Malhotra-Boll

Murray-Lindstrom-Pineault-Sestito-Legein-Konopka

Hedja-Methot
Hainsey-OKT
Eminger-Russell
(maybe Foote is brought back after the season?)

Leclaire
Sabourin

There's all your names, Bob! The exercise is over. None of this stuff is gonna happen, or not enough to make it worth considering. Back to legitimate discussion of stuff that might not happen.
I like the look of those forwards. But you're right about the d ... very green. A lot of potential, but awfully young.

With all that youthful talent, maybe make an additional move to bring in a veteran presence on the blueline (if Foote is not resigned).

As far as a shutdown line goes, one of the nice things about Vermette is his versatility. If Brassard could distinguish himself, he and Vermette could swap places.
Chimmer-Vermette-Novotny is pretty capable defensively.

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Just my take on this but that is exactly what I would want hitch saying publically when nearing the deadline if I were Scott Howson. He is boosting the trade value of these guys simply by his words.
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You'll notice that willien and the Hitchettes are decidely silent now that its become glaringly obvious that the that this team was not "more likely to have 100 points" than finish out of the playoffs.
Geez... I'll stick up for Willien. She's hasn't posted around here in months--no reason to take a cheap shot at her now. Like it or not, Willien had a really good grasp on coaching hockey and Ken Hitchcock. She never said anything about "100 points." Get over it.

I for one, wish she posted more often but I can understand why she doesn't want to have to deal with B.S. like this....


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Geez... I'll stick up for Willien. She's hasn't posted around here in months--no reason to take a cheap shot on her now. Like it or not Willien had a really good grasp on coaching hockey and Ken Hitchcock. She never said anything about "100 points." Get over it.

I for one, wish she posted more often.
You are correct, she quit posting long before we tanked. There are about 3 or 4 people that I think she still talks to, from these forums. And her reasons for not posting had nothing to do with how the season is playing out.

I was one of "them", as Capn describes them and I am hardly silent. As a matter of fact, I said in other posts that this season has not went the way Hitch expected. I figured these guys would have actually have bought in, some of the key member didn't. Game over.

I still support Hitch 100%. But as I discussed with Willien, at some point you have eventually come to the realization that some guys are either unwilling or incapable of delivering what you are asking for. And that's what we are seeing now.

There is enough talent to get us to the playoffs on this team, however I don't think there's enough desire and not enough heart. There are people that just need to go.

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I was one of "them", as Capn describes them and I am hardly silent. As a matter of fact, I said in other posts that this season has not went the way Hitch expected. I figured these guys would have actually have bought in, some of the key member didn't. Game over.

I still support Hitch 100%. But as I discussed with Willien, at some point you have eventually come to the realization that some guys are either unwilling or incapable of delivering what you are asking for. And that's what we are seeing now.

There is enough talent to get us to the playoffs on this team, however I don't think there's enough desire and not enough heart. There are people that just need to go.
It has nothing to do with "buying in". Mike Peca isn't a first line center no matter how much he buys in--hasn't been his whole career. Nor is Jason Chimera a second line winger. Heart only goes so far. This team lacks skill at certain positions, something that was clear in July '07.

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There is enough talent to get us to the playoffs on this team,
I don't think I've ever disagreed more with a statement on these boards. This team lacks skill at nearly every position.

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I'm not surprised, in fact, I just posted yesterday similar thoughts about him possibly doing little. I still think moving some players as a seller for prospects and picks would be the smart thing to do. We need to start out next season fresh, that can only be done with several new players in the lineup. The team must get a center during the summer to compliment Nash, he must increase his offensive consistency for this team to succeed and the only way to find out if he can do that is by getting him some help, if Howson does not see that then this team is going to struggle offensively for at least two more years.

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It has nothing to do with "buying in". Mike Peca isn't a first line center no matter how much he buys in--hasn't been his whole career. Nor is Jason Chimera a second line winger. Heart only goes so far. This team lacks skill at certain positions, something that was clear in July '07.
nobody argued that though. some still don't get it. it wasn't about not knowing or not doing what was needed. it was all about the market last summer. teams were overpaying. but not just overpaying. overpaying by a LOT!!!! it wasn't smart to go out and overspend a ton for a player. especially with a new gm.

it was much smarter to make a few cheap moves that would hopefully help out and use this year to see what we had on the big club and in juniors.

the problem? we actually played well for a long enough stretch. this kept us in the playoffs and got some thinking we were better than we really are.

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It has nothing to do with "buying in". Mike Peca isn't a first line center no matter how much he buys in--hasn't been his whole career. Nor is Jason Chimera a second line winger. Heart only goes so far. This team lacks skill at certain positions, something that was clear in July '07.
Players are not buying in. The forwards are still not supporting the defense as well as they should and we aren't moving up as 5 man units, which is hurting transistion. We have too many forwards too far ahead of the play. People are still not moving to the net as much as they should. People are letting forwards in behind them on the rush way too much. Players are still trying to hit slap shots all the time instead of just trying to get the puck on net. How many slap shots missed the net last night? 7? 8?

Old arguement. People are still not doing the competitive things. The things that don't necessarily require you to have as much pure talent as another player.

You can see it on the ice when this teams really buys into Hitch's system.

We've went round and round. Minnesota, of the past, was an example of a team that wasn't deep in talent that still made the playoffs. They bought in. This years Jackets? Well some players, but not enough of them.

Colorado just beat the crap out of us not too long ago with quite a few of there most talented players on the IR.


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I'm not surprised, in fact, I just posted yesterday similar thoughts about him possibly doing little. I still think moving some players as a seller for prospects and picks would be the smart thing to do. We need to start out next season fresh, that can only be done with several new players in the lineup. The team must get a center during the summer to compliment Nash, he must increase his offensive consistency for this team to succeed and the only way to find out if he can do that is by getting him some help, if Howson does not see that then this team is going to struggle offensively for at least two more years.
Well, 2 years is a bad number. By then we're going to have to start re-signing Nash, Zherdev and likely replacing Modin.

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nobody argued that though. some still don't get it. it wasn't about not knowing or not doing what was needed. it was all about the market last summer. teams were overpaying. but not just overpaying. overpaying by a LOT!!!! it wasn't smart to go out and overspend a ton for a player. especially with a new gm.

it was much smarter to make a few cheap moves that would hopefully help out and use this year to see what we had on the big club and in juniors.

the problem? we actually played well for a long enough stretch. this kept us in the playoffs and got some thinking we were better than we really are.
Do you think this year's UFA market is going to be any cheaper? It won't. And let me also point out, last year was a deep year at center compared to this year.

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Players are not buying in. The forwards are still not supporting the defense as well as they should and we aren't moving up as 5 man units, which is hurting transistion. We have too many forwards too far ahead of the play. People are still not moving to the net as much as they should. People are letting forwards in behind them on the rush way too much. Players are still trying to hit slap shots all the time instead of just trying to get the puck on net. How many slap shots missed the net last night? 7? 8?

Old arguement. People are still not doing the competitive things. The things that don't necessarily require you to have as much pure talent as another player.

We've went round and round. Minnesota, of the past, was an example of a team that wasn't deep in talent that still made the playoffs. They bought in. This years Jackets? Well some players, but not enough of them.
And Minnesota won the Stanley Cup in what year? Winning on heart alone is the mentality of mediocrity.

As for those wide slap shots, I suppose it would be of no use to have a guy with a bona fide cannon of a shot from the point so that teams don't cheat on PK against us by simply collapsing in the middle and never bothering to shift to cover our blueliners. Seriously, if you think its just about buying in, you still don't get it.

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Thanks. Obviously I like 'em too. They create a new set of issues which would likely have to be addressed in the offseason, not the least of which is that there is no true shut-down line and Hitch has been begging for that. Also, Goglioski is a Russell-esque player, although he would likely start out in the 'Cuse. And Eminger is the closest thing to a PPQB, along with the presumably-resigned Hainsey (and I'd like to see Brass get some time there). The overall D depth is still questionable. And there are no grizzled vets, so some will wonder where the leadership comes from (I'm not so concerned) - Modin would likely become captain.

It does improve the skill level with two legit scoring lines and a fourth-line that fits Hitch's "specialist" concept.

Post-trade/pre-offseason

Nash-Richards-Modin
Christensen-Vermette-Zherdev
Chimera-Brassard-Novotny
Vorcek-Malhotra-Boll

Murray-Lindstrom-Pineault-Sestito-Legein-Konopka

Hedja-Methot
Hainsey-OKT
Eminger-Russell
(maybe Foote is brought back after the season?)

Leclaire
Sabourin

There's all your names, Bob! The exercise is over. None of this stuff is gonna happen, or not enough to make it worth considering. Back to legitimate discussion of stuff that might not happen.
Nice job, better than what I could ever do...

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And Minnesota won the Stanley Cup in what year? Winning on heart alone is the mentality of mediocrity.

As for those wide slap shots, I suppose it would be of no use to have a guy with a bona fide cannon of a shot from the point so that teams don't cheat on PK against us by simply collapsing in the middle and never bothering to shift to cover our blueliners. Seriously, if you think its just about buying in, you still don't get it.
Yeah, we moved from the Jackets getting into the playoffs to winning the Stanley Cup. You are really a piece of work. I, Willien, and 99.999999999% of the forums said we need to turnover the roster in order to win the Cup. It's a progressive thing, not done overnight. I was talking about an example of a team that consistantly makes the playoffs, despite not having the most talented team. I wasn't discussing what was needed to win the Cup. Learn to walk before you run.

And when did I ever say we don't want or need someone with a "cannon shot". I was talking about people not getting the shot on net. Once again you went to went way off-base.

Your doing your usual attempt to deflect what we were orginally talking about. Typical.

Your just looking for an arguement, and not an actual debate. I'm done. Have a good one.

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Well, 2 years is a bad number. By then we're going to have to start re-signing Nash, Zherdev and likely replacing Modin.
Correct, that's why making some moves this summer is a must. The problem though is the budget, I don't think this team can afford more than one major UFA signing but they must pull the trigger and get that expensive center for Nash. If not Nash will continue to struggle with consistency until his contract ends, at which time he may decide to move on. The only way the Jackets will be able to afford him then anyway is to increase revenue by making the playoffs and filling the house the next two years-so-please get that center Mr. Howson.


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Do you think this year's UFA market is going to be any cheaper? It won't. And let me also point out, last year was a deep year at center compared to this year
It will be more expensive but last summer is history. What scares me is the talk of resigning Foote for 3-4 mln. That is 3-4 mln of the 10 million everyone said we would have in the bank for signing big name free agents this year after F&F where gone.

Bottomline, we will never make the playoffs if Howson continues to sign proven third and fourth liners.

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