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02-20-2008, 09:51 AM
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Tom Barrasso - HHOF?

Should Tom Barrasso be in the Hockey Hall of Fame?

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No, has some hardware (Calder, Vezina and 2 rings), but overall I'd have to say no though.

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Yes. He's a winner, always has been.

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No, has some hardware (Calder, Vezina and 2 rings), but overall I'd have to say no though.
Yes...we should probably remove Johnny Bower from HHOF too.

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Yes...we should probably remove Johnny Bower from HHOF too.
If you're comparing Johnny Bower to Tom Barrasso I'd try a different sport.

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If you're comparing Johnny Bower to Tom Barrasso I'd try a different sport.
I am not comparing them. Of course Johnny Bower was a legend. I was being sarcastic. I am just saying he never won any hardware.

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I am not comparing them. Of course Johnny Bower was a legend. I was being sarcastic. I am just saying he never won any hardware.
Bower?

He was a Vezina winner.

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He was a Vezina winner.
Once, and it was shared with Sawchuck. Not to mention he spent 8 years in AHL. Not saying he wasn't great. Just saying some HHOF goalie's career LOOKED worse.

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Once, and it was shared with Sawchuck. Not to mention he spent 8 years in AHL. Not saying he wasn't great. Just saying some HHOF goalie's career LOOKED worse.
He won it twice, once on his own, another with Sawchuk. Won it on his own in 1961

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Yes he SHOULD be, but he will not.

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I'd say yes for Barrasso...good goalie, great guy!

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Yes he SHOULD be, but he will not.
If Mullen got in why not Barrasso?

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I think that if Barasso is in, then guys like Richter, Vanbiesbrouck, and CuJo have to be let in.

I say no. I really feel that of this last generation, the only goalies who should be in the HOF are Brodeur, Roy, Hasek, and Belfour.

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I think that if Barasso is in, then guys like Richter, Vanbiesbrouck, and CuJo have to be let in.

I say no. I really feel that of this last generation, the only goalies who should be in the HOF are Brodeur, Roy, Hasek, and Belfour.
I dunno about Cujo, but definitely Richter and Vanbiesbrouck.

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I'd say yes for Barrasso...good goalie, great guy!
not that great of guy... he made some little kid pay for his autograph when he saw him

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I think that if Barasso is in, then guys like Richter, Vanbiesbrouck, and CuJo have to be let in.
How so?
Beezer and CuJo won basically nothing. Richter at least was an impact player.

Barrasso is above all of these. Richter is the only one close.

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In my book, Yes.

1 Calder
1 Vezina
2 Stanley Cups
1 Silver Medal
1 Jennings

369 Wins (2nd most American All-time)
48 Points (Most Points All-time)

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Barrasso just makes me think again of Chris Osgood. I don't think Tom ever set himself apart from his peers for any significant period of time to be a HHOF guy.

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Barrasso should get in "yes"

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Barrasso should not be in the Hall.

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He's closer than a lot of people give him credit for. A Vezina win (although against weak competition - he only played 42 games that year), three all-star team births and at least one other season when he was a finalist (1998). Injuries held him back, a lot, especially late in his career when he couldn't stay healthy.

He was an instrumental part of the Pens 1991 and 1992 Cup wins. Especially 1992. Lemieux said afterwards he'd "share" the Conn Smythe with Barrasso.

His health problems hurt his case. 1997-98 was the only year, after 1993, in which he played more than 50 games. So does his character. Throughout his career, he was known for being moody, surly, a malcontent. He wasn't always a popular guy with his teammates, and he ticked off a lot of people in the game. The name "Tom Barrasso" doesn't always conjure up the most positive of emotions with hockey people.

Would I induct him? No. Not ahead of Rogie Vachon or Mike Vernon, who have been snubbed by the HHOF committee. I would vote him in ahead of CuJo, and definitely ahead of Richter and Vanbiesbrouck.

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Barrasso just makes me think again of Chris Osgood. I don't think Tom ever set himself apart from his peers for any significant period of time to be a HHOF guy.
I hear ya but here's the difference. Osgood is a goalie with good fortune. Felix Potvin could have won those Cups with Detroit.

Barrasso from the get go was good. '84 Vezina winner, '84 Calder winner. First team all-star in '84, 2nd team all-star in '85, '93. That isnt a bad span. Plus his 369 wins and two Cups. IMO he's a lot like Bernie Federko. There are good arguments for and against them and to me Barrasso is just like him where he is probably the most neutral potential inductee that there is. With Vernon more people say yes. With Richter more say no.

He was a cut above Richter, Vanbiesbrouck though. Cujo never won anything and like it or not that hurts a goalie just like it hurts a QB in the NFL. Heck, flip a coin for Barrasso for me. One side if you look at his accomplishments you have to say yes. On the other hand when you ask yourself "Tom Barrasso:HHOFer?" It isnt a resounding yes. Plus his relationship with the media will hurt him

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Some historical perspective is in order.

Barrasso was at one time, the highest drafted goaltender ever. He walked outa high school and in one year won the Vezina and Calder.

How many goalies before or since at age 18 have achieved this? How many 18 year olds at all have added so much to their team?

He eventually became the first American goalie to win 300 games; is 14th all time in wins despite playing only 12 healthy seasons; won two Stanley Cups; and has the most assists ever by a goaltender.

In addition, along with Bobby Carpenter he cemented the fact that American high school hockey was a bonafide stable of potential stars.

The hall of fame isn't just about statistical achievements, its also about cultural influence upon the game. Barrasso wasn't just a great player, he was a trailblazer.

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Some historical perspective is in order.

Barrasso was at one time, the highest drafted goaltender ever. He walked outa high school and in one year won the Vezina and Calder.

How many goalies before or since at age 18 have achieved this? How many 18 year olds at all have added so much to their team?

He eventually became the first American goalie to win 300 games; is 14th all time in wins despite playing only 12 healthy seasons; won two Stanley Cups; and has the most assists ever by a goaltender.

In addition, along with Bobby Carpenter he cemented the fact that American high school hockey was a bonafide stable of potential stars.

The hall of fame isn't just about statistical achievements, its also about cultural influence upon the game. Barrasso wasn't just a great player, he was a trailblazer.
Bingo.
To say he is comparable to Osgood is just seeing the powerful Pens.
The fact is that he achieved things in 84 that nobody could achieve before and after.

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