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02-22-2008, 09:32 PM
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Yes, I heard that rumour on the Pratt and Taylor show.. Bourdon + Schneider for Richards. As a Canucks fan, I'd do it. However, I'm not too sure if TB would do it.

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In my opinion, it would be in Columbus' best interest to go after Richards. He seems like the type of guy that could put them over the top. Richards centering Nash and Modin would be a great 1st line for a budding franchise, and they really need to make their playoff debut.

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02-22-2008, 09:34 PM
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Yes, I heard that rumour on the Pratt and Taylor show.. Bourdon + Schneider for Richards. As a Canucks fan, I'd do it. However, I'm not too sure if TB would do it.
lol of course youd do it as a canucks fan... If you wouldnt do it you would be crazy.

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02-22-2008, 10:29 PM
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I laugh at the delusional people that think he's going to fetch anything of great value. Assuming they hold on to Lecavalier, they should be looking at trading St. Louis, who would get a nice return.

For somebody that is making 7.8 million dollars and not even living up to half of that, it's going to be hard for Jay to get top prospects/high picks.

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I laugh at the delusional people that think he's going to fetch anything of great value. Assuming they hold on to Lecavalier, they should be looking at trading St. Louis, who would get a nice return.

For somebody that is making 7.8 million dollars and not even living up to half of that, it's going to be hard for Jay to get top prospects/high picks.
Marian Hossa?

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02-22-2008, 10:39 PM
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I laugh at the delusional people that think he's going to fetch anything of great value. Assuming they hold on to Lecavalier, they should be looking at trading St. Louis, who would get a nice return.

For somebody that is making 7.8 million dollars and not even living up to half of that, it's going to be hard for Jay to get top prospects/high picks.
Yeah who would want the record holder for GWGs in the playoffs?
Who would want a Conn-Smythe Winner?
Who would want a Stanley Cup Champion?

Id say about 16 of the 16 teams going into the playoffs. Thats who.

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02-22-2008, 11:03 PM
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What I don't think a lot of people truly understand is...the Lightning do not have to trade Richards at all. Think about that one.

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02-22-2008, 11:12 PM
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I would kill Feaster myself if he did that. That is horrible and nowhere close to what he could and SHOULD get for Richards.
I actually think its a pretty good deal for you. That contract is super ugly and every GM is going to exploit that. basically, you're dumping salary and what ever return you get is icing. and this deal brings you good return.

Bourdon is going to be a good defenceman and he's ready for the NHL. if this deal goes through, Bourdon will step into your lineup and get some games under his belt and be ready to step up next season.

it then makes Boyle expendable. you move him in a second deal and probably get a young offensive player in the package. so the deal becomes Richards and Boyle for Bourdon, Schneider, replacement for Richards, pick/prospec, pick/prospect, and a bunch of cap room to go after a #1 goalie.

And Scheider is then another tradeable assett. I don't know anything about your GT prospects, but I'd say Schneider would get a mid-to-late 1st on draft day. either keep the 2 GTs you like the most, and trade the third for a pick, or move whichever one brings back the most value. But with Richards contract, I don't see many GMs giving a blue-chip prospect and a 1st, but this deal does.

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What I don't think a lot of people truly understand is...the Lightning do not have to trade Richards at all. Think about that one.
....unless Oren Koules says they do.

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02-22-2008, 11:15 PM
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how about he goes to a club with tons of tagging space?

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02-22-2008, 11:24 PM
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Yeah who would want the record holder for GWGs in the playoffs?
Who would want a Conn-Smythe Winner?
Who would want a Stanley Cup Champion?

Id say about 16 of the 16 teams going into the playoffs. Thats who.
Not many teams can afford to take on Richards contract without sending back significant salary to Tampa Bay. The Lightning probably won't be willing to take on much salary and that limits their suitors significantly. If Tampa's willing to take a salary dump back in the deal than I would think they could expect a great return. On the other hand if they're not, I wouldn't expect too much in return.

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02-22-2008, 11:31 PM
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lol of course youd do it as a canucks fan... If you wouldnt do it you would be crazy.
I'm a canucks fan and I think acquiring Brad Richards would be terrible. He is grossly overpaid at $7.8 mil. Regardless of his revolving linemates (havn't seen much of tampa but I think he's had a lot of inferior linemates?) , he still only has 18 goals and 50 points in 61 games. Sure that'd help the canucks, but not at a long term cost of the salary space of two good players. He is a playmaker who has never scored more than 26 goals. Great, he can set plays up, but who on the canucks will finish?

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Does a 2nd, Gervais, and Comeau get you anywhere close? Or replace the 2nd with Tambellini? Or am i way off?

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What I don't think a lot of people truly understand is...the Lightning do not have to trade Richards at all. Think about that one.
They don't "have to." They also don't "have to" sign Boyle for the huge increase he is looking for and they don't "have to" go out a find a quality NHL goaltender either.

Its just a smarter move to take money from the forward position and actually invest some in the defense and goalie positions for a more well rounded team unless they want to spend every penny allowed under the cap limit.

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02-23-2008, 01:18 AM
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I'm a canucks fan and I think acquiring Brad Richards would be terrible. He is grossly overpaid at $7.8 mil. Regardless of his revolving linemates (havn't seen much of tampa but I think he's had a lot of inferior linemates?) , he still only has 18 goals and 50 points in 61 games. Sure that'd help the canucks, but not at a long term cost of the salary space of two good players. He is a playmaker who has never scored more than 26 goals. Great, he can set plays up, but who on the canucks will finish?
As a Canuck fan I don't think Richards would exactly be a good fit on the Canucks but Bourdon + Schneider for him would be a great deal for the Canucks but I don't see why TB would consider doing it.

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02-23-2008, 01:20 AM
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What I don't think a lot of people truly understand is...the Lightning do not have to trade Richards at all. Think about that one.
Yes, they can continue to suck.

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02-23-2008, 02:25 AM
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Yes, they can continue to suck.
Yeah, they're top heavy payroll structure isn't exactly, "working out"

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people have to stop fantasizing about equal value trades and understand that there are going to be deals made in the cap era that aren't exactly equal value.

We've already seen Andy Mcdonald traded for Doug Weight and if anyone believes that was an equal value trade well they're out of their mind.

Since joining the Blues Mcdonald has 24 points in 27 games while Weight has 9 points in 25 games since joining the Ducks.

I think it's pretty clear to see who got the better end of that deal. But the reason Anaheim made that deal was because they've got cap issues and they needed to clear cap space.

Tampa also has cap issues. There's no way they are going to be able to sign Boyle and add a starting netminder with the way their team is structured. Trading Richards for prospects is exactly what they are going to need to do.

Now there are a few issues with this as well. Richards can choose where he wants to go, he's got a cap hit of 7.8 million dollars for the next 3 seasons and he hasn't exactly had a great season.

What Tampa is going to do is look around the league to see what they can get for Richards at this point of the season. If they find a deal they can live with then they'll present it to Richards and hope he'll waive his NMC. However if they don't find anything at this point then it's pretty safe to say that they'll try hard to deal him at the draft or perhaps as late as the summer.

The fact is it's very likely that Richards is not going to be a Lightning at the start of next season.

If Vancouver does in fact trade for Richards they aren't going to want to mortgage the farm for Richards. The only way Vancouver can make Richards work is if they've got enough young talent that they can put in the lineup.

Personally I'm hoping that Nonis goes after a guy like Jokinen or even Jeff Carter instead of Richards however if the asking price is going to be Bourdon, Schneider and 2nd round draft pick then it might be worth it.

It'll be interesting to see what happens.

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02-23-2008, 03:02 AM
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Yeah, they're top heavy payroll structure isn't exactly, "working out"
-Yeah, Tampa Bay's top 3 are cheaper than Detroit's.
-The difference, of course, is that Detroit has a ton more scoring depth than every team in the league. When healthy.

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I'm a canucks fan and I think acquiring Brad Richards would be terrible. He is grossly overpaid at $7.8 mil. Regardless of his revolving linemates (havn't seen much of tampa but I think he's had a lot of inferior linemates?) , he still only has 18 goals and 50 points in 61 games. Sure that'd help the canucks, but not at a long term cost of the salary space of two good players. He is a playmaker who has never scored more than 26 goals. Great, he can set plays up, but who on the canucks will finish?
-His performance has been okay, considering he's had mono this season and had to play with Ouellet and Hlavac all season long except when on the powerplay.
-Imagine the depth at center when Morrison is back. Sedin, Richards, Morrison and Kesler. Pretty decent.
-Like it or not, 7.8mil for Richards is going to look like a bargain pretty quick. And that's why the Canucks should consider getting him or somebody else already signed via trade. Because there's no way they're getting any expensive UFA's anytime soon.


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Im not saying its fair value..but if i were DN this is what i'd offer.

Schneider + Bourdon + 1st08 + salary dump(morrison)

Richards + Ouellet +2nd09

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Could someone please tell me why brad richards was drafted in the 3rd round and lecavalier was 1st round although they had similar points in junior.

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Could someone please tell me why brad richards was drafted in the 3rd round and lecavalier was 1st round although they had similar points in junior.

not sure why....they played on the same team...i remember there was TONS of lecavalier hype...he was bigger...he was seen to have made players around him (richards) better.

There were many Lecavalier-Lemieux comparisons near the draft.

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yeah they were saying lecavalier was the jordan of hockey, but damn richards fell all the way to 64th overall

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The Dispatch reported the Blue Jackets could be willing to deal Rostislav Klesla, a sound 25-year-old defenseman, touted center Derick Brassard (or fellow first-rounder Gilbert Brule) and a first- or second-round pick.
http://www.sptimes.com/2008/02/23/Li...tedly_ey.shtml

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Would something like Skille + Ruutu + Lang for Richards interest Tampa?

Lang is old but he is signed to a decent contract considering he is a legitimate 2nd line centre. Ruutu will add some immediate help on the wings where Tampa seem to lack depth and Skille juding by his showings in the NHL this year should be ready for full time NHL duty next year.

EDIT: If that Columbus offer is to be believed you can discount this post.

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