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02-21-2008, 10:37 PM
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Sure, when Hitch says it, you pay attention. When others have said it for months, they're just losers.

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Well, is YOUR name on the Stanley Cup?!?
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Damn, I need some Viagra after that one.
All in good fun my friend.

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On a team that has struggled with goaltending and defense.

He has a career average +/- of -7.8 (-25 in 07/08 & -19 in 06/07 (both years where Marc Denis was supposed to be their #1))

He averages 70 points a season, and is almost a point per game player. AND he is durable (he has only missed two NHL games in his entire career).
In the playoffs, he has a -1.75 +/- and averages more than a point per game.
Put him in Hitch's system, and on a line with Nash & Modin, I think that his +/- will improve.

Granted, these are just numbers. I'd be curious to know what sort of style he plays, and how he'd fit onto the team here. Is he a playmaker? I know he's big, but does he hit?

I have to say, all of the talk makes me curious. I'd like to see Richards in Columbus, but I don't want to see us mortgage our future for him. I'd rather see us wait till the draft and try to pick up Langkow than trade away Voracek, Russell, Brassard, or Mason. I love Brule and I think he's going to be a gamer, but I'd be willing to let him go (along with Klesla, etc..) to get Richards.
I agree with everything you said excluding the Mark Denis faux correlation. It's irrelevant as ALL the players have played in front of the same goalie (and mostly it has NOT been Denis). Richards is the only one (and by a long shot) at -25. His defensive weakness and lack of a checking game will only be compounded and magnified in a move to the Western Conference.

I think Richards is overpriced if we're going to be dumping young/inexpensive prospects in the deal. The bloated $8mil is bad enough but it's fine with me if JMAC and Priest want to open the cash coffers. No skin off my nose.

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02-21-2008, 10:56 PM
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Sure, when Hitch says it, you pay attention. When others have said it for months, they're just losers.

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Aye yi yigh!
I assume you forgot this:

Serious Ren... Hitch almost called them both "puck hogs."
So do you spend 7.8 million to bring in somebody to feed the hogs?

The other thing is this: A 7.8 mil center would force Z and Nasher's eventual contract talks through the roof. Can anybody find me a $3 or $4 million dollar center?
Please?

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Aye yi yigh!
I assume you forgot this:

Serious Ren... Hitch almost called them both "puck hogs."
So do you spend 7.8 million to bring in somebody to feed the hogs?

The other thing is this: A 7.8 mil center would force Z and Nasher's eventual contract talks through the roof. Can anybody find me a $3 or $4 million dollar center?
Please?
Slop the hogs! City folks just don't get it.

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Aye yi yigh!
I assume you forgot this:

Serious Ren... Hitch almost called them both "puck hogs."
So do you spend 7.8 million to bring in somebody to feed the hogs?

The other thing is this: A 7.8 mil center would force Z and Nasher's eventual contract talks through the roof. Can anybody find me a $3 or $4 million dollar center?
Please?
It's only for three years and I think the contract length is pretty optimal for us. And we're never going to spend TO the cap ... so I really don't see the *money* as a long-term obstacle. We're pretty desperate for a center ... JMAC & Co. scrimped along, they are just going to have to cough some extra money up for the next few years.

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Arace stated on the dispatch website that the potential deal for Richards would be

Klesla
Brassard
2nd round pick in 2008

I would do that deal in a heartbeat, anything to get rid of Klesla, on the ice again tonight for a crucial goal. I can't understand why he supposedly gets so much respect around the league, please trade him before people see him for what he is. I would hate to get rid of Brassard but Richards is too talented to pass up for that deal. I would rather see Brule dealt, though he played very well tonight and each game since his recall.

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Arace stated on the dispatch website that the potential deal for Richards would be

Klesla
Brassard
2nd round pick in 2008

I would do that deal in a heartbeat, anything to get rid of Klesla, on the ice again tonight for a crucial goal. I can't understand why he supposedly gets so much respect around the league, please trade him before people see him for what he is. I would hate to get rid of Brassard but Richards is too talented to pass up for that deal. I would rather see Brule dealt, though he played very well tonight and each game since his recall.
Ouch, dunno about dealing Brassard. I'd rather offer Brule, too. I'm glad we'd be able to keep out 1st round pick, though.

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That entry was great until the end.



I believe that was also at the end of the now-infamous "bright blue colored jersey" blog entry.
What was that infamous entry? I never heard about it.

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Aye yi yigh!
I assume you forgot this:

Serious Ren... Hitch almost called them both "puck hogs."
So do you spend 7.8 million to bring in somebody to feed the hogs?

The other thing is this: A 7.8 mil center would force Z and Nasher's eventual contract talks through the roof. Can anybody find me a $3 or $4 million dollar center?
Please?
They both need the puck for long periods to be as effective as they can be (though Nash needs it more in the offensive zone, and Zherdev needs it more on the rush), which is why they don't fit well together long term. Because Z does more dishing than Nash, though, it's harder to find a center who'll fit with Nash. It's a tough issue. I don't know how Richards plays, but his stats show he takes a lot of shots, so I'm assuming a good portion of his assists come from rebound goals--which would help Nash or Zherdev (probably more so Nash).

We should all be cautious about how any new center will play out, though. Who knows which players will have chemistry together?


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Arace stated on the dispatch website that the potential deal for Richards would be

Klesla
Brassard
2nd round pick in 2008

I would do that deal in a heartbeat, anything to get rid of Klesla, on the ice again tonight for a crucial goal. I can't understand why he supposedly gets so much respect around the league, please trade him before people see him for what he is. I would hate to get rid of Brassard but Richards is too talented to pass up for that deal. I would rather see Brule dealt, though he played very well tonight and each game since his recall.
In the article I posted about Howson, he mentioned there are certain young players whose names being included were deal breakers. I'd have to assume Brassard is one of those. (I most definitely wouldn't assume Brule was, though.) But who knows.

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Arace stated on the dispatch website that the potential deal for Richards would be

Klesla
Brassard
2nd round pick in 2008

I would do that deal in a heartbeat, anything to get rid of Klesla, on the ice again tonight for a crucial goal. I can't understand why he supposedly gets so much respect around the league, please trade him before people see him for what he is. I would hate to get rid of Brassard but Richards is too talented to pass up for that deal. I would rather see Brule dealt, though he played very well tonight and each game since his recall.
I figured Brass would be part of a potential deal, My original proposal in the trade speculation thread was Brass, Malhotra and Methot.

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Not shocked they'd want Brassard. I like Brassard, but a bird in hand is worth two in the bush.

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I wish we could confirm if this was the jackets offer or if this is tampa's counter offer...

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The rumor with the most traction continues to surround talk that Lightning general manager Jay Feaster has put out feelers to see what kind of return could be had for C Brad Richards, with Columbus allegedly showing the most interest at this point....

If Columbus is considered to be among the front-runners for Richards, then the presence of two Blue Jackets scouts, including the team's director of player personnel, Don Boyd, will only fuel that speculation.
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/feb...orts-lightning

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No disrespect but do u think he'd waive his no trade for Columbus? On a TV station in Toronto they said he wouldnt go from a non-contender to another non-contender.

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No disrespect but do u think he'd waive his no trade for Columbus? On a TV station in Toronto they said he wouldnt go from a non-contender to another non-contender.
No disrespect felt. I don't know whether you've noticed or not (I am sure Brad Richards has) Tampa has made it NO secret that they would like to be rid of him and Columbus wants him. It's not like Richards can say "no" and go out and test free agency at season's end. He's in a rather bad situation in Tampa and he would be coming to a place that needs and would welcome him.

He gets paid either way ... does it really seem like that bad a move to you? Hmm?

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No disrespect but do u think he'd waive his no trade for Columbus? On a TV station in Toronto they said he wouldnt go from a non-contender to another non-contender.
I don't know that he'll be given an option to go to a contender this year...most NHL teams are too cash strapped to take on his salary for 3 years. So if he's holding out for that trade, he'll probably stay put. I do think that his no-trade cause would be the biggest hurdle and he may just veto any trade. Of course, maybe he's not happy on the second line with a -25 +/-, or playing under Coach Tortorella, plus it seems like Tampa Bay is headed towards rebuilding, where the CBJ appear to be moving up and he could be a key leader in that.

The CBJ would have to sell him on Columbus. I think having former teammate Modin helps, the chance to center Nash would be a big selling point, plus the team is maturing with guys like Leclaire and Zherdev.

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Richards was a Conn Smythe Trophy winner just 4 years ago. When it counted most he became a leader for Tampa during the Cup run, not Vinny. Last 3 seasons he's put 42 points in 34 play-offs games, every year averaging more than a point-per game, which is a dream for Briere and Gomez. And in Tampa he's just a 2nd line center whos points total is respectable for any 1st liner. So $ 7.8 mil for him in a couple years could look like a bargain.

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I wonder if there are any centers in the league who would have positive +/- stat while playing on the Lightning second line with AHL-level wingers and that "great" defense + goaltending they have.

Richards has done admirable work in very unbalanced Tampa.

I think Richards would truly blossom in Columbus with proper linemates.

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Would ya'll part with Mason if Helenius came back the other way?

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One of the themes this trade season is whether the Blue Jackets will be sellers or buyers. It seems to me that most of those on this board have given up on the season (or at least recognize the likelihood that the Jackets won't make the playoffs), and therefore want the Jackets to get rid of the UFA's for prospects and picks. On the other hand, some fans, the players, and Hitchcock want to see the Blue Jackets go for it, since they've never been so close so late in the season. Plus, the Blue Jackets' schitzophrenic play complicates things even further, and makes Howson's job even more difficult.

It seems to me that acquiring Richards is a way that Howson can, at least to some extent, please both factions. Getting Richards fills the biggest hole in the team, and if Tampa Bay can't sign Boyle to an extension, he could replace Klesla, who likely seems to be going the other way.

In the mean time, Howson can move Federov to Ottawa for a prospect (I cannot believe that we would be able to get Vermette in return, but I'm all for it if we can), Vyborny to the NYR, and perhaps Peca and Hainsey as well (moving Hainsey makes a lot of sense if we get Boyle, but we would absolutely have to make a puck moving defenseman a priority in the offseason).

Despite his poor play lately, I would kind of like to keep Peca just in case we make a playoff run. I'm not sure that the Jackets would be able to get much for him in trade, and we would really like to have him in the unlikely event that we do make the playoffs.

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If the rumors are true and Tampa is serious about getting a #1 goalie, NHL D-man, a prospect and a pick let's look at this scenario...

Columbus has to offer -
  • #1 Goalie - NOPE - Pazzy and Mason aren't going anywhere
    NHL D-man - NOPE - Do any of you really think we can afford to lose Klesla? (Not because he's great but we'll be loosing Hainsey, Hejda and potentially Foote not to mention that we're already THIN on D to begin with.)
    Prospects - PLENTY - Brule, Brassard, Lindstrom, Pineault might be most interesting
    Pick - Of course we could make a #1 available

I just don't see the fit IF it has to cover what TB is claiming they want. Of course I don't think they'll get what they want because the salary has to be considered. My main concern is not with who we lose but do we become the next TB when Nash and Zherdev need re-signed. Granted that would only strap us for two years of Richards contract and if we're lucky enough to keep Brassard we likely could have another top notch center within 3 years. Although Modin comes off the books in 2 years too so maybe we could keep them all... ????

I guess I'm on the fence here. If it could be done without dealing Brassard, Voracek and Mason I think it would be a good option. If we did have to include Brassard I would hope we could land someone like Vermette. He would be more cost effective in the long run and while likely tops out as a 2nd line center he would be a great addition. Think about it...

Nash Richards Modin
Zherdev Vermette Brule/Fritsche
Chimera Novotny Voracek
Boll Malhotra Fritsche/Brule

That's not too bad and very flexible with some obvious player movement within the lines based on performance. I'm still high on Brule after his last 10 games or so but that gives us speed size and playmaking on every line. Also let's us keep the youth and allow other players to develop or be used to upgrade the D.

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