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02-26-2008, 01:37 PM
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So, we have 5 lines of players, but IMO a lack of identity in all of them. With the UFA class of 2008 coming due this summer, there’s not a lot of superstar talent. People throw out the term "go out and get a first line next year". Aside from Hossa, who do we try and target to improve a roster that’s already filled with in-between players. Nothing too appealing to me. Also, we have too many players when everyone is healthy, so who do we look to dump?

Penner Horcoff Hemsky
Cogliano Gagner Nilsson
Torres Stoll
Moreau Reasoner Pisani
Glencross Broziak Stortini

Souray
Staios
Greene
Gilbert
Smid
Grebeshkov
Pitkannen ??
Roy (one way next year)

2008 Key UFA Forwards
Player Age Team Pos Cap Hit
Sakic, Joe 37 COL C 6.75
Fedorov, Sergei 37 CLB C 6.08
Hossa, Marian 28 ATL R 6
Naslund, Markus 33 VAN L 6
Sundin, Mats 36 TOR C 5.5
Shanahan, Brendan 38 NYR L 5.3
Demitra, Pavol 32 MIN R 4.5
Satan, Miroslav 32 NYI R 4.255
Holik, Bobby 36 ATL C 4.25
Nagy, Ladislav 28 LAK L 3.75
Weight, Doug 36 ANA C 3.5
Straka, Martin 34 NYR C 3.3
Morrison, Brendan 31 VAN C 3.2
Ryder, Michael 27 MTL R 2.95
Fedotenko, Ruslan 28 NYI L 2.9
Conroy, Craig 35 CGY C 2.546
Langkow, Daymond 30 CGY C 2.442
Rolston, Brian 34 MIN R 2.432
Lapointe, Martin 33 CHI R 2.4
Rucinsky, Martin 36 STL L 2.375
Vyborny, David 32 CLB R 2.2
Rucchin, Steve 35 ATL C 2.125
Smolinski, Bryan 35 MTL C 2
Peca, Mike 33 CLB C 1.915
Avery, Sean 27 NYR C 1.9
Prospal, Vaclav 32 TBL C 1.9
Stillman, Cory 33 OTT L 1.75
Williams, Jason 26 CHI C 1.6
Hunter, Trent 26 NYI R 1.55
Gratton, Chris 31 TBL C 1.5
Huselius, Kristian 28 CGY L 1.4
Malone, Ryan 27 PIT L 1.375

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02-26-2008, 01:41 PM
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If you squint he even looks like Superman.

Don't worry, Jimmy, I'll save the Oilers!

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02-26-2008, 01:58 PM
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get avery just to piss off nucks fans now that cooke is gone

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02-26-2008, 02:45 PM
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get avery just to piss off nucks fans now that cooke is gone
Pettinger is a younger version of Cooke..so they didn't get rid of the Cooke debacle, just replaced him with an improved version....

On a side note I want Rolston here next year....

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Peca!

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02-26-2008, 03:04 PM
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Huelius and Langkow. We would be left with:

Schremp-Langkow-Nilsson
Penner-Horcoff-Hemsky
Huselius-Gagner-Cogliano
Glencross-Brodziak-Stortini

Best part about that lineup is that the opposing team has no idea which line to send checkers out against, a la Buffalo in 2006 and 2007. A little light in the defensive forwards department, but there are 3 PK guys there that I can see out of 4. Does Langkow kill penalties? Even if he doesn't, I like the looks of that lineup a lot. Awesome offensive potential from all 4 lines there. Several guys don't make it, leaving room to sign people and to make a few deals for good players. It leaves Stoll, Pisani, Moreau, and Torres available to deal, who could be packaged with others to bring back something substantial. Then, we get even more scoring/defensive depth.

If that happens, we will contend for the playoffs next year, especially if we package up some of the other mentioned players for upgrades. We would be the Flyers of the 08/09 season, mark my words.

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02-26-2008, 03:06 PM
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Didn't Hunter and Avery sign extensions?

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02-26-2008, 03:08 PM
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Huelius and Langkow. We would be left with:

Schremp-Langkow-Nilsson
Penner-Horcoff-Hemsky
Huselius-Gagner-Cogliano
Glencross-Brodziak-Stortini

Best part about that lineup is that the opposing team has no idea which line to send checkers out against, a la Buffalo in 2006 and 2007. A little light in the defensive forwards department, but there are 3 PK guys there that I can see out of 4. Does Langkow kill penalties? Even if he doesn't, I like the looks of that lineup a lot. Awesome offensive potential from all 4 lines there. Several guys don't make it, leaving room to sign people and to make a few deals for good players. It leaves Stoll, Pisani, Moreau, and Torres available to deal, who could be packaged with others to bring back something substantial. Then, we get even more scoring/defensive depth.

If that happens, we will contend for the playoffs next year, especially if we package up some of the other mentioned players for upgrades. We would be the Flyers of the 08/09 season, mark my words.
I can't agree with that line-up. Other than the fourth line, that is a far too soft a team.

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02-26-2008, 03:11 PM
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Schremp-Langkow-Nilsson is the ugliest first-line I've ever seen in my entire life. And I've seen Reasoner-Stoll-Hemsky.

Add Malone (no way Pittsburgh can afford to resign him), drop Stoll and Torres for another defenceman.

Penner - Horcoff - Hemsky (if it ain't broke, don't fix it)
Malone - Gagner - Nilsson (adds some size and finish to the line)
Moreau - Cogliano - Pisani (standard third-line with offensive upside)
Glencross - Brodziak - Stortini (they've all earned NHL spots)

Only one line has to find some new chemistry, and two parts of that line already have it. Extra secondary scoring should come from defense, which will have three pretty decent goal scorers on it.

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02-26-2008, 03:22 PM
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Pettinger is a younger version of Cooke..so they didn't get rid of the Cooke debacle, just replaced him with an improved version....

On a side note I want Rolston here next year....
pettinger is nowhere near the pestiness that cooke has.. pettinger is a jamal mayer type.. middle weight that hits hard fights but doesn't play dirty.. o and he's more likely to get injured too with his style..

and your side note about roloson is just.. oh okay rolston.. okay carry on..

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02-26-2008, 03:46 PM
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Put in a Rfa for perry for 5.5 for 6 years. Burke would hit the fan. We would not be finishing in the bottom 5 next year with this top six.

hemsky-gagner-penner
perry-horcoff-malone as a ufa say for 3.5

just dreaming.

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Put in a Rfa for perry for 5.5 for 6 years. Burke would hit the fan. We would not be finishing in the bottom 5 next year with this top six.

hemsky-gagner-penner
perry-horcoff-malone as a ufa say for 3.5

just dreaming.
Oh I could see that team still finishing in the bottom 5 next year.

A injury to Hemsky, a dash of Moreau's "Glass-itis", a Perry slump ... and voila.

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02-26-2008, 03:52 PM
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Chin up this bad luck could not last forever can it?.

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02-26-2008, 03:54 PM
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Huelius and Langkow. We would be left with:

Schremp-Langkow-Nilsson
Penner-Horcoff-Hemsky
Huselius-Gagner-Cogliano
Glencross-Brodziak-Stortini

Best part about that lineup is that the opposing team has no idea which line to send checkers out against, a la Buffalo in 2006 and 2007. A little light in the defensive forwards department, but there are 3 PK guys there that I can see out of 4. Does Langkow kill penalties? Even if he doesn't, I like the looks of that lineup a lot. Awesome offensive potential from all 4 lines there. Several guys don't make it, leaving room to sign people and to make a few deals for good players. It leaves Stoll, Pisani, Moreau, and Torres available to deal, who could be packaged with others to bring back something substantial. Then, we get even more scoring/defensive depth.

If that happens, we will contend for the playoffs next year, especially if we package up some of the other mentioned players for upgrades. We would be the Flyers of the 08/09 season, mark my words.
Can you possibly imagine a softer line up in the entire NHL great skill not that you could get all those players. But could you possibly imagine a smaller, softer 10 forwards in the ENTIRE NHL you think we have injury problems now . . . skill is nice but you need some grit and toughness and shut down players in order to make a team.

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02-26-2008, 03:55 PM
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Malone equals Smyth/Anderson type player . . . at least lately he is if he continues to round into form. The 3.5 million dollar question is can he do it consistently.

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02-26-2008, 04:02 PM
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Malone equals Smyth/Anderson type player . . . at least lately he is if he continues to round into form. The 3.5 million dollar question is can he do it consistently.
Considering what Harnell got as a free agent Malone could even command more than 3.5M. I think the Penguins will be able to keep him if they give him a long term deal with a 3M cap hit. I mean LONG term. Try 7 years and a downward sliding salary.

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there's no chance that malone will settle for under 3 mil for any length.. noooooo chance.. 4.5 mil range copy paste and print it..

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Chin up this bad luck could not last forever can it?.
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Let me throw something out there.

Would you rather dump 9-10m on Hossa

or

Dump 5m on Ryan Malone.



I'd take Malone,.

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Let me throw something out there.

Would you rather dump 9-10m on Hossa

or

Dump 5m on Ryan Malone.



I'd take Malone,.
It wont even take that much to get Malone. 3- 3.5 gets it done imo. 5 mill for Ryan Malone is a vast overpayment.

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02-26-2008, 05:27 PM
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Hire a investigative firm to figure out why we have sooooooo many injuries.

Then

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It wont even take that much to get Malone. 3- 3.5 gets it done imo. 5 mill for Ryan Malone is a vast overpayment.
Slightly.

4.75 is around market value for him. It's just how it is.
Same goes for Michael Ryder.

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Slightly.

4.75 is around market value for him. It's just how it is.
Same goes for Michael Ryder.
Ryder got back to back 30 goal seasons. Malone has played with a very talented high offencive team in Pittsburgh the last 3 years. 4.75 mill for a 20 goal scorer who has always been a large - in his career in Malone. How could you want to pay that? People complain about Penner being overpayed, and this isint a huge overpayment?

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Chin up this bad luck could not last forever can it?.
Ask the leafs fans.

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Ryder got back to back 30 goal seasons. Malone has played with a very talented high offencive team in Pittsburgh the last 3 years. 4.75 mill for a 20 goal scorer who has always been a large - in his career in Malone. How could you want to pay that? People complain about Penner being overpayed, and this isint a huge overpayment?
UFA's get overpaid.
Other than Garon, great signing by Lowe, name me 2 UFA's from this past off season that weren't vastly overpaid?

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