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02-26-2008, 09:46 PM
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No I watched him at rookie camp this summer too. He's big and has that whole right place at the right time thing going. I truly was very underwhelmed by him- I went in unbias. I left thinking Ryan Potulny, Claude and Ratchuk were the best players in the camp. Mind you, I thought Claude wasn't much until then either- but he changed my mind.

I am not a narrowminded person- but JVR just re-enforced my thinking of him during the WJC game.
I just got total opposite impression from what I've seen. It may not have been much but I was really mad they passed on Turris but I'm not anymore.

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Granted, Id love for us to go out and get another quality puck moving defensemen, but I just don't see us having the room to do it. I'd much rather keep what we have and roll with it, maybe add some veteran presence who isn't as slow smith and hatch (one of which you have to keep).
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All signs point to this club knowing that Hatcher is done for good after this season. That's 3.5 million free.
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Hatcher ($3.5) and Sami ($1.25) will retire. Knuble ($2.8) will be traded at the draft, that will free up $7.55 million right there. Giroux will replace Knuble next season, Hartnell takes Knubles role.
I was thinking the same thing. I think Hatcher and Kapanen will retire next year. For the first time since he has been here, regardless of what line or position he was playing, Kapanen is invisible more often than I notice him doing something. That was never the case with him. I think he is too beat up at this point in his career. The guy almost retired a couple years ago and now that the team is going young, I think he might decide it is time.

I hope Knuble sticks around, even if we put him on the 4th line and make him a powerplay specialist like TB did with Andreychuk back when they won the cup.

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True, true. While JVR may take as long as Carter to develop, he will be something great. I always thought that Giroux would be a fine piece of trade bait given the right circumstance and was surprised at how many people were worried that he'd be traded. We aren't the biggest team at either forward or defense (outside of Hatch and Gator... neither of which will be around much longer) and Giroux just might not be the best fit for us.
Yes, bigger guys take longer....

I dont know much about Giroux or JVR cause I dont get to see them play, other than a couple games in the WJC. If they trade either of them, I better damn well be getting something good back in return. No frigin rentals for a playoff run next year.

The only think with Giroux though is that I think he could be the winger we need to play with Briere.

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If JVR was born in Moose Jaw instead of New Jersey the hype on him would have been through the roof.

McGuire would begin to drool every time he mentioned his name.

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I just got total opposite impression from what I've seen. It may not have been much but I was really mad they passed on Turris but I'm not anymore.
Yeah to each is own I suppose. It's hard to predict the future- and I am more a fan of rough hard-nosed hockey, not a 2007 buffalo skating team type...I just think our 2nd overall draft pick is going to end up being very disappointing.

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I was thinking the same thing. I think Hatcher and Kapanen will retire next year. For the first time since he has been here, regardless of what line or position he was playing, Kapanen is invisible more often than I notice him doing something. That was never the case with him. I think he is too beat up at this point in his career. The guy almost retired a couple years ago and now that the team is going young, I think he might decide it is time.

I hope Knuble sticks around, even if we put him on the 4th line and make him a powerplay specialist like TB did with Andreychuk back when they won the cup.



Yes, bigger guys take longer....

I dont know much about Giroux or JVR cause I dont get to see them play, other than a couple games in the WJC. If they trade either of them, I better damn well be getting something good back in return. No frigin rentals for a playoff run next year.

The only think with Giroux though is that I think he could be the winger we need to play with Briere.



yes, I see some Gagne in him. Gagne has a little more strength and better defensive play...but Giroux has high skill level and is fast. I hope he continues to put on weight and becomes the next Gagne for this team.

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02-26-2008, 09:57 PM
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If JVR was born in Moose Jaw instead of New Jersey the hype on him would have been through the roof.

McGuire would begin to drool every time he mentioned his name.
Without question.

I love Giroux's game, but which player is better isn't even close. From the little I've seen of JVR, he can bring it all... size, smarts, hands, speed.

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The only think with Giroux though is that I think he could be the winger we need to play with Briere.
They would be the most undersized line in the NHL but quick ********.

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02-26-2008, 10:08 PM
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I think if there is any young player the Flyers love, it's JVR.

I would be shocked if he was involved in any trade. they know they got something special in him. they are just going to leave him alone and let him develop.

does anyone know how tall JVR is currently?

because I heard Rob Parent on with Glenn McNow one night and said he did an interview with JVR and his family. he said that JVR was already almost 6'6"...I found that a little hard to believe because he is listed at 6'3".

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What JVR projects to be, and what he is are two entirely different things. Don't make the mistake of confusing the two. What he projects to be is a 6 foot 3 player with all the skill of Rick Nash, plus the willingness to distribute the puck, and backcheck. What he is is an 18 year old who just played more minutes than he ever has before in his junior career against tougher competition than he's ever faced in his junior career.

And regardless of where the players he's playing against will wind up next season, they were still up to 7 years older than VanRiemsdyk. They knew what they were getting into, and as a result they could come both mentally and physically prepared. VanRiemsdyk didn't have that benefit. He didn't even have the benefit of having someone flip the bill for the Flyers training camp. He had to pay for that himself due to NCAA rules.The recruiters at New Hampshire recognized "it". The scouts at McKeenan's, ISS, Red Line, and CSS all saw "it". The scouts for the Philadelphia Flyers who have been near infallible when given a first round pick these last 5 years saw "it". Even the voters who named him to the U20 WJC All-Star Team saw "it".As a 19 year old freshman, JVR earned top-line duties in New Hampshire within days of playing his first game there. He's been producing at a PPG clip in a defense first developmental league (NCAA D-I), despite playing through an undisclosed hand injury. And to top it all off, his coach trusted him enough to play him out of position on the second line to find some secondary scoring. What he's doing is very noteworthy if you delve deeper than the stat sheet hosted on hockeyDB.I don't see it happening either because JVR isn't a "power forward". He's a ridiculously skilled, smooth skating forward who happens to be 6 foot 3 inches tall. He's like Jeff Carter, just further ahead of the curve at the same age; if last night was any indication, we have a game breaker on our hands. We just need to be patient.That's not entirely true. Canada threw their best players at JVR, and he still scored a goal.
There were 3 forwards named to the WJC All-Tournament team, and one of them was James van Riemsdyk. That says something.

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02-26-2008, 10:16 PM
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I think if there is any young player the Flyers love, it's JVR.

I would be shocked if he was involved in any trade. they know they got something special in him. they are just going to leave him alone and let him develop.

does anyone know how tall JVR is currently?

because I heard Rob Parent on with Glenn McNow one night and said he did an interview with JVR and his family. he said that JVR was already almost 6'6"...I found that a little hard to believe because he is listed at 6'3".
No, he is 6'3" right now. I think it would be realistic that he is 6'4" 240lbs in the NHL in a year or two

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02-26-2008, 10:18 PM
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y are we fighting over whos better......we have them both

the big deal is 610 talking hockey!.....i gave up on them......talking about how bad the Eagles sucked last year got old

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True, true. While JVR may take as long as Carter to develop, he will be something great. I always thought that Giroux would be a fine piece of trade bait given the right circumstance and was surprised at how many people were worried that he'd be traded. We aren't the biggest team at either forward or defense (outside of Hatch and Gator... neither of which will be around much longer) and Giroux just might not be the best fit for us.
I'd have to support the notion that Giroux may not fit with this team. After seeing him last week I decidedly kept my mouth shut about using him as trade bait however, I was definitely entertaining it in my head. I personally like seeing a team attempt to use their first round picks before trading them away but think about how small this team is starting to look...

Briere, Gagne, Upshall, Downie, and even Richards...although some of these guys play bigger than they appear (the last three mentioned) adding Giroux to this cast could make really sway the balance between size and speed.

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No, he is 6'3" right now. I think it would be realistic that he is 6'4" 240lbs in the NHL in a year or two
The only forwards who ever reach 240 pounds are hefty ****ers e.g. Penner, and Maroon.

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I'd have to support the notion that Giroux may not fit with this team. After seeing him last week I decidedly kept my mouth shut about using him as trade bait however, I was definitely entertaining it in my head. I personally like seeing a team attempt to use their first round picks before trading them away but think about how small this team is starting to look...

Briere, Gagne, Upshall, Downie, and even Richards...although some of these guys play bigger than they appear (the last three mentioned) adding Giroux to this cast could make really sway the balance between size and speed.
JVR and Carter aren't small guys. Upshall and Downie are bottom 6 guys. I think we'll be fine in the size department. And honestly I'm happy we're finally shifting towards the newer faster NHL.

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This is off topic but does anybody know what picks the Flyers have this year?

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I suspect that

Who is Better?

is less important to the Flyers than

Who Fits Our Window?

If one examines the youth of the roster and the relative dearth of holes to fill (though they be big ones), I think one can conclude that the Flyers want to compete STRONGLY for the Cup for the next three years.

How much does JVR help in that time frame? Perhaps not as much as Giroux.

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I suspect that

Who is Better?

is less important to the Flyers than

Who Fits Our Window?

If one examines the youth of the roster and the relative dearth of holes to fill (though they be big ones), I think one can conclude that the Flyers want to compete STRONGLY for the Cup for the next three years.

How much does JVR help in that time frame? Perhaps not as much as Giroux.
Stevens licks windows. Does that change things?

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The only forwards who ever reach 240 pounds are hefty ****ers e.g. Penner, and Maroon.
And Lindros, who was an animal. If the reports are true that he's grown to 6'5", which I've heard from different places, then he'll probably play at 235 minimum in his prime. He's a big kid, great hands, very good speed, and yes he was #1 on the Flyers board and they would've drafted him at #1 if they had the chance.

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When healthy Gator and Hatch are much more effective than Goat. Goat's never been more than a 3rd pairing guy. Smith and Hatch in their prime were extremely effective and are still better than Goat. Goat isn't even that much cheaper than Smith and he can't provide the leadership that Hatcher or Smith do.

They definitely aren't useless dinosaurs, especially come playoff time. I think Hatcher is done in this league after this season so he'll leave what's left of his body out on this ice.
1)They're never healthy.

2)They're no better than third pairing guys and their mobility, zone clearing, puck moving sucks and hurts this team all the time-see amount of time stuck in the defensive zone/shots on goal. Coburn looks better without Hatcher and Kukkonen/Jones was much better than Smith/Jones.

3)This is far from their prime and getting farther.

4)Their leadership helped them suck last season and good chunks of this.

5)Come playoff time see 1-4.

6)Gauthier makes less than Hatch and probably less than, possibly equal to, Smith's next raise, which I dearly hope he doesn't get here.

Goat on the third pair has more mobility and makes a hit count for something. Nobody fears the dinosaurs, they just skate around them and use them as screens.

If Hatcher, the guy who was stripped of the "C"(nice leadership!), was worth a shiznit he would have been gone at last years deadline. Nobody wanted Smith this year (I know, Homer said teams inquired, but there was never a value attached and he also said he wouldn't trade Carter, yet he was going to for Kaberle and rumored to be offered for Ballard)

Useless. Dinosaurs.


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Don't trade Giroux or JVR, period.
I still say that i will pay for Carters airfare if we get a Dman like Kaberle that is an allstar signed for dirt cheap. If Carter was willing to sign for 3-3.5 million, I think he would be signed already.

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Don't trade Giroux or JVR, period.
I still say that i will pay for Carters airfare if we get a Dman like Kaberle that is an allstar signed for dirt cheap. If Carter was willing to sign for 3-3.5 million, I think he would be signed already.
Trading Carter to keep Giroux is assinine.

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1)They're never healthy.

2)They're no better than third pairing guys and their mobility, zone clearing, puck moving sucks and hurts this team all the time-see amount of time stuck in the defensive zone/shots on goal. Coburn looks better without Hatcher and Kukkonen/Jones was much better than Smith/Jones.

3)This is far from their prime and getting farther.

4)Their leadership helped them suck last season and good chunks of this.

5)Come playoff time see 1-4.

6)Gauthier makes less than Hatch and probably less than, possibly equal to, Smith's next raise, which I dearly hope he doesn't get here.

Goat on the third pair has more mobility and makes a hit count for something. Nobody fears the dinosaurs, they just skate around them and use them as screens.

If Hatcher, the guy who was stripped of the "C"(nice leadership!), was worth a shiznit he would have been gone at last years deadline. Nobody wanted Smith this year (I know, Homer said teams inquired, but there was never a value attached and he also said he wouldn't trade Carter, yet he was going to for Kaberle and rumored to be offered for Ballard)

Useless. Dinosaurs.
1) they're never healthy b/c of all the **** they give and take on the ice. if lasse kukkonen was dressed for the majority of the games, he would be the human bruise, like smith is now, which mitigates his effectiveness.

2) us not being able to exit the zone isn't predicated on smith and hatcher only. hatcher and smith are critical clogs on our PK.

3) yeah, no arguement there. why we should part w/ smith and let hatcher retire at the end of his contract. no way we should sign smith to a two year contract...

4) is it coincidence that we went on a ten game loosing streak when hatch got hurt? hatcher is, far and away, the best leader on this team. i say this b/c the team apparently responds to him better than anybody else. leadership wasn't a problem last year; we could've brought mark messier in his prime to the team, and we'd've still sucked (i know, blasphemous to talk of messier, but he was the best captain of the last three decades).

5) the playoffs are a whole different ball-game. you need warriors like these guys on your team.

6) goat isn't nearly the defender these two are. yeah, he would be an ideal sixth man, but hatch or smith are better and offer more intangibles.

have you seen smith and hatcher hit people? those two are monsters if they're feeling good that night. people die, just ask lupul...

don't begin to blame what happened in 05-06 on hatcher. we lost one of the better captains in the history of the team to a concussion and hatcher-a F/A acquisition that season, new to the team-was given the C b/c gagne, who was the ranking player on the team, deferred. hitchcock wanted somebody who he was comfortable w/given the C and he had a history w/ hatch. that season doesn't even begin to show what a quality leader hatcher is. look at the stars teams he was a part of...

we need to keep hatcher for next year, provided he doesn't retire. if he does, we need to resign smith for another year.

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Trading Carter to keep Giroux is assinine.
So if Carter wants 4-4.5 mill, you want to keep him to be the 3rd line center ????????????? Makes no sense to me in a cap world

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what about trading gagne.

i love the guy, but two concussions in one year is scary. we played almost the entire year without him, anyways.

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So if Carter wants 4-4.5 mill, you want to keep him to be the 3rd line center ????????????? Makes no sense to me in a cap world
please use more question marks, the question becomes more effective the more you use................. like periods.

Briere has already played a couple games on the wing this year... ponder the implications of that and get back to me. As Jeff Carter develops, he's going to demand a lot more ice time than "third line center."

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