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02-26-2008, 11:28 PM
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OT: Regards on Hossa to Pitts

I was posting on the Pittsburgh forum about what I seriously thought of the trade and they think that re-signing MAF and Staal will be like 2.5-3M each player. IMO, that will very unlikely happening since we all know what KLowe did to the cap world (The RFA signings and paying out to Potential and not past performance).

Now since they got Hossa, their cap issues are gonna kill them in the long run IF they sign Hossa. 8.5M to Hossa, 8.5M on Malkin, 5-6M on Staal, and 4-5M to MAF (IMO, that's what I think their worth). By 2010, they will have like 45-50M tied between 8-9 players. Assuming the cap is raised to 60M by 2010, they only got about 10M left to spread to the other players. I find this a ridiculous way to make a franchise, especially since you will be relying heavily on your highest paid players.

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02-26-2008, 11:29 PM
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I don't think they'll sign him.

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02-26-2008, 11:30 PM
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Hossa will be a rent a player, they dont' want to come out and say it, but they won't resign him, they can't.

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02-26-2008, 11:31 PM
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They will not be re-signing Hossa. It will be interesting to see if Espo pans out. If he does, and Hossa leaves without the pens doing anything in the playoffs... then this will be a terrible deal for them.

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02-26-2008, 11:34 PM
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That's exactly what I thought. I figured they WAY overpaid for him and lost out on a deep draft. I mean, they do have Crosby, Malkin, Staal and MAF but there's no way you can please every player.

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right now it might not seem like the greatest deal ever... but depending on how he does and how the pens do in the playoffs, we'll have a better idea if it was worth it.

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That's exactly what I thought. I figured they WAY overpaid for him and lost out on a deep draft. I mean, they do have Crosby, Malkin, Staal and MAF but there's no way you can please every player.
I think it was a great deal, they didn't give up that much really and they got a great player. I mean you have to take a run at the cup somtimes, it is hardly like they gave up their future. Espo isn't going to be a superstar or anything, they really gave up a bunch of mediocre young players

they won't resign him though.

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Hossa will be a rent a player, they dont' want to come out and say it, but they won't resign him, they can't.
No If they are smart they will sign Hossa to a 5 year $40 m deal that has a no trade that kicks at the start of season 3 then trade him after one year when Malkins numbers get big.

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02-26-2008, 11:49 PM
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No If they are smart they will sign Hossa to a 5 year $40 m deal that has a no trade that kicks at the start of season 3 then trade him after one year when Malkins numbers get big.
Malkin's numbers already are big.

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I think their mistake, if any, is actually thinking they are contenders with no "real" goalie... They should have gotten Huet while they were at it IMO... Or maybe we're just too hard to be convinced of Conklin...

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Ultimate speculation play by Pittsburgh.

The only team in the East that looks solid right now is New Jersey and so I have to think that they figure Hossa will be the piece that gets them to the Cup final.

A side benefit is that IF they have some success and Hossa likes playing with Crosbalkin then he may just sign for cheap - say 5 or 6 years for 6.0 to 6.5 million a year.

I don't think he would take it but I am sure that is what helps management sleep better at night.

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Defence wins championships. If Pitt goes up against up against a team like New Jersey, i wouldn't think twice about picking NJ to come out on top. Besides their forwards, IMO their defence is not good enough to bring them a cup.

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Defence wins championships. If Pitt goes up against up against a team like New Jersey, i wouldn't think twice about picking NJ to come out on top. Besides their forwards, IMO their defence is not good enough to bring them a cup.
I think NJ gets their a$$es handed to them in the first round. In the last 2 years they have proven to be regular season specialists.

That said...I'm not convinced HOSSA makes PIT a better team. Its the old 'only one puck to go around' thing.

Don't forget...one of PIT best weapons is Gonchar and he isn't going to defer to HOSSA off the rush or down the wall.

I think PIT should have gotten rid of Sykora as a part of making real room for Hossa.

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Pittsburgh can outscore their issues. No team has a better offense then they do right now. Although I think they'll get crushed by the west even if they make it to the Finals. I just don't see how the East can survive against a (healthy) Detroit, Anaheim, San Jose or even Dallas and Minnesota. Too physical and too balanced.

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even if hes only a rental as long as they make it deep in the playoff its a good deal, because it will help the development of Crosby and Malkin

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Pittsburg has enough good young players to take a risk on something like this, don't think it's going but hey it's not really going to hurt them at all.

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02-27-2008, 10:51 AM
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Malkin has another year left before he needs a new contract.

And there will always be teams willing to take one of malkin, crosby, staal, or hossa if for whatever the pens cant fit them all under cap in a couple years. (assuming they sign hossa)

I don't think they will sign hossa though.

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I think the Pens made a good deal to pick up Hossa, even if its just for the rest of the year. They didn't give up anything spectacular whatsoever but rather a lot of quantity as opposed to quality. As for the OP, I can't see Staal getting that kind of coin on his next contract, he just doesn't have the levarage. He's having a pretty bad season and there's just no chance he gets that kind of money (5.5ish) unless it comes via offer sheet in which case I'm thinking the Pens take the picks. As for Hossa resigning there, I'm not sure I can foresee that. I'm fully expecting Hossa to take a top dollar contract around 9 million and I'm not sure he'll be taking a signfiicant discount anywhere. The Pens have issues, or perhaps question marks on the blueline and in goal that need to be resolved before they add yet another superstar forward at superstar money.

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Don't get me wrong, they did good in the trade, but why would you want to suffer having 4-5 players that are between 6-9M in the next three years? I guess it has to do with Drafting only young players and playing only young players.

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Is Staal already a 4-5 Million dollar player?

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They will not be re-signing Hossa. It will be interesting to see if Espo pans out. If he does, and Hossa leaves without the pens doing anything in the playoffs... then this will be a terrible deal for them.
Yes, but considering they're already stacked when it comes to young skilled centres, I guess they felt Esposito was expendable. Because of this I even suspect they might have intended him as a "big-name" trading chip for an occasion as this one even as they announced his name on draft day.

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Is Staal already a 4-5 Million dollar player?
64 9 13 22 -8 and on pace for 28 points says yes!? Come on, this guy wasn't even a ppg in the OHL.

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