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02-27-2008, 08:54 AM
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2008 is this summer.
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Then you keep him, since he's worth more to us than that late 2nd round pick.


Hey do me a favor .

Right now go any see how many guys on our team are 2nd round picks 3 rd picks 4 5 6 7 th etc.


a 2nd round pick for Trevor T is VERY VALUABLE.

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02-27-2008, 08:55 AM
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It's been posted multiple times....look at all our prospects drafted after the first round. Dont you think a Plekanec, a S.Kostitsyn, A Halak etc... are worth a UFA Huet?
And how many busts have we drafted outside of the first round?

Everyone takes for granted that Price/Halak are good enough for a #1 role. But there is a good possibility that they won't be good enough for that role before a few years.

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tell me Huet's numbers from his last 6 games.
Huet had better save% and GAA than Price (at the time). Its not like Carey outplayed him or anything. It was obvious that Huet was on his way out ... but would it have hurt the team to have him around for couple more months? Seems just so unneccesary, when the team is in such a good position.

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Then you keep him, since he's worth more to us than that late 2nd round pick.
Is he though? I think it's a tough question. And I can't see Gainey, considering how patient and methodical he is, moving Huet rashly without really having thought out that question.

If Huet's going to be the back-up from here on out and the Club brass has determined Halak to be as capable. then he's just taking up a spot, and will walk at the end of the year, when Halak could be gainning experience with the better talent.

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A 2009 2nd rounder(any position) is a 1st round value in any other draft
. Do your homeworks, I'm sure Gainey did.
50th^ overall is the equivalent to a top 30 pick?

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Same for Price, who was streaky all year and who seemed to have difficulties to handle the pressure.
Hes a rookie, the difference is that Huet as a veteran shouldnt be streaky and should handle the pressure. Beside, Price went in Toronto and won, he stepped up a lot of games under pressure.

Look at last night...

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Hey do me a favor .

Right now go any see how many guys on our team are 2nd round picks 3 rd picks 4 5 6 7 th etc.


a 2nd round pick for Trevor T is VERY VALUABLE.
Then I'm sure the Wings wouldn't mind getting 6th and 7th rounders on all their returns, because they clearly turn them into stars. What a silly spin on things.

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02-27-2008, 08:58 AM
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50th^ overall is the equivalent to a top 30 pick?
In 2009? easily. I mean an "usual top 30 pick" say in 2006, 2007, 2008. We got a 1st rounder of this year in value, thats all you need to know.

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And how many busts have we drafted outside of the first round?

Everyone takes for granted that Price/Halak are good enough for a #1 role. But there is a good possibility that they won't be good enough for that role before a few years.
Huet wasnt comming back after this season...so that point is moot.

2nd...about those busts....you do the exercise for the early rounds starting in 2003 http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr000045.html

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We got a late second rounder for Huet. It wasn't a good move on any angles you look at it.

Martin Biron was worth a second last year. He is younger and some would say a better goalie.

So a second sounds good to me. The fact that it's in 2009 will be great for the fans at the Bell centre for the 09 Draft.

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And how many busts have we drafted outside of the first round?

Everyone takes for granted that Price/Halak are good enough for a #1 role. But there is a good possibility that they won't be good enough for that role before a few years.
so what?

we get beat out round one with Huet

he gets injured last year in the streach run and HALAK holds us in the race for Huet to return and (?)

Huet is a good goalie i really love the guy as a TEAM PLAYER but he in no way is a BONIFIDED number 1 or worth number 1 money(5 million a yr).I hope he gets it and im glad it not from us .WE got our money out of him value wise he owes us nothing .

so we moved on and the worst that will happen is we get beat out first round and everyone gets there feet wet.


its a YOUNG TEAM we have here and very exciting to watch


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02-27-2008, 09:00 AM
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People are looking at this the wrong way.

Stop arguing against Huet by looking at his bad games and stop arguing for Huet by looking at his good games.

Huet did great work for the team and thats that. I'm sad to see him go but there was a decision made that it was time for Montreal to have a "number one" Goaltender. No more 1A and 1B. Carey Price was picked since 2005 to be that man, and Bob Gainey felt he was now ready. While running with Huet in the playoffs would have been more security for the Habs, the fact is, Huet is gone next season. Darren Pang mentioned that Huet's re-signing price was just too high. He was not staying.

You can convince yourself all day that if we waited an hour or two we could have gotten 3 first round draft picks or Alexander Semin (Someone in the chatroom actually said this) but simply put, Montreal now has a number one goalie: Carey Price. He'll be our number one goalie, barring unnatural disaster for the next 15 years. It's his job now. So you can ***** about Huet only getting a 2nd or think Jaroslav Halak is anything more than a backup, or you can just accept that Carey is the new number one for years to come. It's up to you. Be bitter with a team with amazing potential and youth, or be happy.

I'm happy.

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In 2009? easily. I mean an "usual top 30 pick" say in 2006, 2007, 2008. We got a 1st rounder of this year in value, thats all you need to know.
I won't debate you on this, but it seems highly unlikely any scout would see it that way.

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We got a late second rounder for Huet. It wasn't a good move on any angles you look at it.
I had a hard time understanding it at the beginning.
I guess the fact is, Gainey and the organization think that they'll go with Price anyways and Huet will be on the bench as insurance. However, luckily/unluckily, Halak is ready and they can get something for Huet. So that's how it goes.

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02-27-2008, 09:02 AM
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Huet had better save% and GAA than Price (at the time). Its not like Carey outplayed him or anything. It was obvious that Huet was on his way out ... but would it have hurt the team to have him around for couple more months? Seems just so unneccesary, when the team is in such a good position.

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As for not getting anyone back ... I'm sure Gainey did his best, jacking up the cost for Penguins, and reserved his judgement - can only respect that.

in his last 4 games he goals against was 4.50 sv percentage was 859%

that didnt help gainey any

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02-27-2008, 09:03 AM
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Hes a rookie, the difference is that Huet as a veteran shouldnt be streaky and should handle the pressure. Beside, Price went in Toronto and won, he stepped up a lot of games under pressure.

Look at last night...
And he was also miserable in other games. Today, out goaltending situation is worst than it was testerday morning, plus we should have signed Huet next year too, and until Price steals his job. Which might have happened later this year, sometime next year or in three years.

Price has huge upside, but other players had big upside and busted.

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Martin Biron was worth a second last year. He is younger and some would say a better goalie.
No one would say that...


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I won't debate you on this, but it seems highly unlikely any scout would see it that way.

I'll try to explain, in 2008 theres:

6-7 Franchise players
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A group of about 20 potential top line players.(D or forwards)

In 2009

2 Generational players(Tavares, Hedman)
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A group of about 20 franchise players
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A group of about 30 potential top line players.

See how a scout could say it this way? a 50th overall give us access to a potential top line players like a first rounder of most drafts.


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And he was also miserable in other games. Today, out goaltending situation is worst than it was testerday morning, plus we should have signed Huet next year too, and until Price steals his job. Which might have happened later this year, sometime next year or in three years.

Price has huge upside, but other players had big upside and busted.
But no matter what you say....we werent signing Huet at what ever price he's going to fetch. So like I said before...those arguments have no weight.

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And he was also miserable in other games. Today, out goaltending situation is worst than it was testerday morning, plus we should have signed Huet next year too, and until Price steals his job. Which might have happened later this year, sometime next year or in three years.

Price has huge upside, but other players had big upside and busted.
Sure, your right, but I dont think Gainey's plan was to just trade Huet without getting someone back(Hedberg was the plan), we are on Plan B atm. Sign X veteran this summer as an UFA to backup Price.

Our situation is worst, but might not be in 1 month if Price develops more by being our go-to goalie.

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But no matter what you say....we werent signing Huet at what ever price he's going to fetch. So like I said before...those arguments have no weight.
And you feel safe going into the playoffs and beginning next year with Price as your #1?

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Hmm, I was a scout.

I'll try to explain, in 2008 theres:

6-7 Franchise players
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A group of about 20 potential top line players.(D or forwards)

In 2009

2 Generational players(Tavares, Hedman)
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A group of about 20 franchise players
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A group of about 30 potential top line players.


I'll trust you at your word then.

At any rate, this is a 'thank you Gainey' thread. Thank you, Bob, for believing in the team!

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And he was also miserable in other games. Today, out goaltending situation is worst than it was testerday morning, plus we should have signed Huet next year too, and until Price steals his job. Which might have happened later this year, sometime next year or in three years.

Price has huge upside, but other players had big upside and busted.
Gainey was sick of not having a number one goaltender. He was sick of platooning.

Teams have won the Cup with platooning goaltenders, but the best teams are built around one great goaltender. Huet did not fit the mold. Price did.

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I'll try to explain, in 2008 theres:

6-7 Franchise players
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A group of about 20 potential top line players.(D or forwards)

In 2009

2 Generational players(Tavares, Hedman)
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A group of about 20 franchise players
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A group of about 30 potential top line players.
That doesn't make much sense. Neither Tavares or Hedman will be generational players. And 20 franchise players in 1 draft???

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I'll try to explain, in 2008 theres:

6-7 Franchise players
+
A group of about 20 potential top line players.(D or forwards)

In 2009

2 Generational players(Tavares, Hedman)
+
A group of about 20 franchise players
+
A group of about 30 potential top line players.

See how a scout could say it this way? a 50th overall give us access to a potential top line players like a first rounder of most drafts.

what planet are you on ?

20 franchise players in 09? Name one draft when 20 franchise players came out of it?
the best draft of all time in 79 produced several including Bourque, but 20 wake uo buddy , if Tavares , Hedman , and 3 others turn into legit top tier players , you have had a great draft , but 20 OF THEM

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