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02-27-2008, 03:45 PM
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Succession plan

Its a question of time before the offensive core of this team needs to be refreshed. At one point, we have to plan for life after Koivu and Kovalev.

Our D is set for a number of years with Markov, Hamrlik (and hopefully Komi soon) and with interesting possibilities in our prospects.



Up front, I can see Plekanec being a good 1b/2nd line center. I see the Kostitsyns, Higgins and Latendresse with potential to be good 20-30 goal guys, maybe, if well surrounded.

But who will lead this team offensively in the next decade?



Should we trade?
Should we draft?
Should we let Pleks, Kost and Higgins go at it alone?

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02-27-2008, 03:52 PM
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Are you looking for specific names or the general outline of a strategy to refresh the offensive leaders on the team?

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We will have to eventually sign that big #1 centre we've been wanting for years. I can't see us drafting high enough to acquire one. We could use our huge amount of depth to acquire one at some point. Maxwell is our best C prospect in that regard. He is skilled but seems injury prone. Who knows what will come of him. This Draft I hope we target big, talented centers. Maybe if we pick 7-8 of them we'll get lucky lol.

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Its a question of time before the offensive core of this team needs to be refreshed. At one point, we have to plan for life after Koivu and Kovalev.

Our D is set for a number of years with Markov, Hamrlik (and hopefully Komi soon) and with interesting possibilities in our prospects.



Up front, I can see Plekanec being a good 1b/2nd line center. I see the Kostitsyns, Higgins and Latendresse with potential to be good 20-30 goal guys, maybe, if well surrounded.

But who will lead this team offensively in the next decade?



Should we trade?
Should we draft?
Should we let Pleks, Kost and Higgins go at it alone?

Not trading ppl like Higgins, Grabovsky, Chipchura, D'Agostini etc for a Rental

Giving them time to develop. (Which is what Gainey does when he tries to sign guys like Shanahan, Kovalev as UFA's...give the younger guys more time to develop in a positive and competitive atmosphere... to some though... this isn't a plan, because its "mixed messages")

Hopefully one day signing a #1 Center.

But im of the opinion, if we can get better at the quick passing/good d outlet passes game we play, keep improving our defence and goaltending. I'm sure Pleks and Grabo (if he develops) could carry our team.

That's just my opinion though

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Either signing Vinnie or another #1 center, or you push for a top5 1st rounder.

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Are you looking for specific names or the general outline of a strategy to refresh the offensive leaders on the team?
A bit of both..

The only thing that intrigued me about the Hossa issue (or Richards for that matter, or Jokinen), was the possibility of enticing him/them into signing for a couple years and having someone to play along Plekanec, Kostitsyn and Higgins down the road.

I suppose that in the 2008 and 09 drafts, we'll need to concentrate on acquiring offensive players that can carry a line.

Had we drafted Cherepanov this year, maybe we could start building around him. Pacioretty? I dunno. Looks more like a decent guy to have as your 2nd best or 3rd best player on a #1 line.

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If we're banking on Pleks to be the #1 centre of the future, we're just going to have the exact same problem with had with Koivu all these years.

Hell, I can already imagine how everyone is going to blame poor Plekanec for all the team's ills if we don't got anywhere for the next 5-10 years.

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If we're banking on Pleks to be the #1 centre of the future, we're just going to have the exact same problem with had with Koivu all these years.

Hell, I can already imagine how everyone is going to blame poor Plekanec for all the team's ills if we don't got anywhere for the next 5-10 years.
That's exactly what I think.


Right now. Our team is built on Koivu, Kovalev, Markov, Komisarek, Hamrlik.

That is our core.



The fact that Pleks, Kostitsyn, Higgins, Gorges and others are playing well is what makes this team surprising.


In 1 year. Koivu and Kovalev (and Hamrlik) will not be as good as today, its inevitable. In 2 years, I expect a big dropoff from that core. So we need some people to build around.

Or do you guys think that Pleks, Kosts and Higgins can take the next step or two?

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- Concentrate in getting some top-end offensive potential for the next drafts (I know, easier said than done, and I don't say that we shouldn't draft d-men, but the ratio should go to the forwards)

- Putting some interesting package including some d-men prospects in order to get some offensive forwards

I have a lot of faith in Ben Maxwell to center one of our first 2 lines.

This is the d-men that most likely will be part of our top-6 for years to come.

Komi
Markov
Hamrlik
McDonagh
Carle
Valentenko
O'Byrne
Gorges
Weber.

Then you add some bust or boom in Subban, Stejskal, Fischer, Paquet and others.

We won't be able to keep all of them. But I also know that some might not pan out as well. But there is room to do something.

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That's exactly what I think.


Right now. Our team is built on Koivu, Kovalev, Markov, Komisarek, Hamrlik.

That is our core.



The fact that Pleks, Kostitsyn, Higgins, Gorges and others are playing well is what makes this team surprising.


In 1 year. Koivu and Kovalev (and Hamrlik) will not be as good as today, its inevitable. In 2 years, I expect a big dropoff from that core. So we need some people to build around.

Or do you guys think that Pleks, Kosts and Higgins can take the next step or two?

Well you can take Pleks out of that equation, he took the step this year, I think Higgins and Kosy Sr. need to follow next year. Then Jr Kost + Latendresse (maybe he's faster more agressive and consistent) in 2 years

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Price is part of the core now too.

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Well you can take Pleks out of that equation, he took the step this year, I think Higgins and Kosy Sr. need to follow next year. Then Jr Kost + Latendresse (maybe he's faster more agressive and consistent) in 2 years
I love Pleks. And I love what he's done this year.. but I'm not convinced that he can carry a line yet. Not like Koivu or Kovalev can.

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Price is part of the core now too.


Agreed. but I'm talking about the offensive succession. I have no fear for our Defense or Goaltending.

With Markov, Komisarek, Hamrlik, McDonaugh, Emelin, Valentenko, O'Byrne, Fisher, Subban, Paquet, Carle, Thorpe, -- Price, Halak... I think we're set in these aread.

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I love Pleks. And I love what he's done this year.. but I'm not convinced that he can carry a line yet. Not like Koivu or Kovalev can.




Agreed. but I'm talking about the offensive succession. I have no fear for our Defense or Goaltending.

With Markov, Komisarek, Hamrlik, McDonaugh, Emelin, Valentenko, O'Byrne, Fisher, Subban, Paquet, Carle, Thorpe, -- Price, Halak... I think we're set in these aread.


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The worst part is I might have missed a few.. and I don't care. That's how deep we are.

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Once the Habs finish building the goaltending and defense, everything will fall in place imo. The forward is solid and while it doesn't have a superstar, it only needs 1 due to the quality depth. I wouldn't be too worried personally and one of Maxwell or Grabovski could end up being decent second line centers. This year seems like a good year to shore up either the defense or the center line at the draft.

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Trade with Florida who might be looking to deal Jokinen on draft day. I mean with the depth the team has I'm sure they can skip the 1st round this year. I don't see any gamebreaking forwards available where we'd be picking. So try and get a player before the season starts so he can practice and buy into the system. I forget who is available as UFAs, but Jokinen would fit well with the team.

This is assuming Florida misses the playoffs yet again.

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I would dangle a d-man prospect like Fischer to move up in the top 10 this draft to get Colin Wilson. Try to sign either Hossa or Jagr to play with Higgins and Koivu

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I would dangle a d-man prospect like Fischer to move up in the top 10 this draft to get Colin Wilson. Try to sign either Hossa or Jagr to play with Higgins and Koivu
Chances are Fischer's value might not be that good even though he's slowly improving. Just remember that the guy who sold Fischer to Timmins was really close to him and was connected to Timmins and the Habs. I really doubt that other teams had him that high in their rankings with even one known team that would not have touched him with a 10-foot pole.....

Keeping him and watch him slowly progress as a project might be better than anything a team might be willing to give us. Especially not with the 08 and 09 drafts coming. Too many good prospects out there to pass on for a raw prospect.....

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I think that you have tremendous depth of 'good' players. Like you said about Pacioretti, most of them are complimentary guys to an extent. You need at least 2 above the curve guys. It's possible that A.Kostitsyn could turn into one. He has the willingness to be the guy, you can tell how he wants the puck, will drive the net, sort of a mini Kovalev.

If they did sign a guy like Hossa this summer, guys developing in the system, complimentary offensive guys, like Maxwell, just as an example, are automatically better as what they chip in is magnified by a pure finisher on the line.

I think it's a matter of judging year to year. There will be a point where you trade depth for quality. It seems the depth is there, and will be maturing over the next 5 years, young d men are always in demand, I see it resolving itself.

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The only possible offensive threats as forwards that we have in our system, not with the team now, that could potentially make it are:

Pacioretty
Maxwell
Wyman
White (even though I have my reservations about him)
D'Agostini

I also have my reservations as far as Grabovski is concerned while I don't think that guys like Locke will ever reach it.

So no need to say that we need offensive minded prospects in the future.

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Team is quite well set in net and defence, so next few year Habs can concentrate on finding suitable pieces for offence. Probably easier and better way to do things, I say.

Call me crazy, but I would say that Kovalev's heir is already in system and in lineup: Siarhei Kastitsyn. Playmayking, good shot, good with puck. Naturally not yet in the Kovalev level of ability, but he has few more years to grow.

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Team is quite well set in net and defence, so next few year Habs can concentrate on finding suitable pieces for offence. Probably easier and better way to do things, I say.

Call me crazy, but I would say that Kovalev's heir is already in system and in lineup: Siarhei Kastitsyn. Playmayking, good shot, good with puck. Naturally not yet in the Kovalev level of ability, but he has few more years to grow.
I think if anything, its Andrei that is Kovalev's heir.

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I think if anything, its Andrei that is Kovalev's heir.
More than his production, I've been impressed by how AK is willing to take the puck and set up in the zone,despite The Living Legend Of Russian Hockey on the other wing.

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