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03-03-2008, 02:32 PM
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compared to who?
at first make some reasearch before comment. right now you look as a person who behave like

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03-03-2008, 02:36 PM
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Funny, a political discussion.

Though I will stick with hf terminology.
1.Superpowers are overrated. USSR was a superpower and still it collapsed, and that was predictable, sometimes people want just a bottle of beer and something for dinner not the "own way", "eurasian empire", "communism" and other bs.
If US will try to act like that it will collapse aswell.

2.IMO the reality in Russia isn't good. Actually some regions have really developed, and people actually begin to have the quality of life there, but in many regions it's still absent. Though I see some positive things happen lately, but I don't see a general trend in that, just result of growing economics, which is the result of oil and gas prices. Putin said he created Gazprom and other monsters to concentrate money, and then to spend it on weak areas like aircraft for example, we shall see.

3.However in the end, power in Russia right now is created somwhere in Hades or Celestia, but not on Earth that's for sure. The power is controlled by several groups, which created "ER" and divide power by themselves. Not very good and democratic if you ask me.

And just to prevent "westerner"/"easterner" bs. Personally I have my political views, and they aren't always against Putin or Medvedev. I actually like them more than SPS or Bogdanov.
Putin is somewhat a "westerner" himself btw. At least more than "easterner".

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at first make some reasearch before comment. right now you look as a person who behave like
Considering that he guy's family comes from Lvov it should come as no surprise. He's probably got a huge inferirotiy complex when it comes to Russia.

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I agre with that. But to say that Russia " lacks skilled workers: is borderline lunacy.
Compared to Uzbekistan yes. But overall Russia really lacks skilled workers. Actually many Western countries suffer a bit from that too. For example with recent economic growth of Germany, they really lack skilled workers. And they actually have much more skilled workers than in Russia, but still they need more.

For Russia, in some regions there's a real problem with skilled workers. A good professional would not like to live in some 1 level rectangular building in Deep Siberia. And the locals aren't skilled enough, or drink too much. Sometimes both.
On another hand once I've been to a small town which I thought was an ass of the World, but it was actually pretty good there, and engineers there were real professionals.

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Did anyone catch Medvedev and Putin walk along Kremlin wall yesterday after the election was officially over? Medvedev wore the JEANS. I don't remember any other Russian politician wearing the jeans under similar circumstances.

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Considering that he guy's family comes from Lvov it should come as no surprise. He's probably got a huge inferirotiy complex when it comes to Russia.
Let's not get personal here and use cliches. You sound a bit chovinistic here.

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Did anyone catch Medvedev and Putin walk along Kremlin wall yesterday after the election was officially over? Medvedev wore the JEANS. I don't remember any other Russian politician wearing the jeans under similar circumstances.
Well he's a Deep Purple fan, he probably sleeps in jeans.

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Did anyone catch Medvedev and Putin walk along Kremlin wall yesterday after the election was officially over? Medvedev wore the JEANS. I don't remember any other Russian politician wearing the jeans under similar circumstances.
He's a Rock Starrrr!

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Compared to Uzbekistan yes. But overall Russia really lacks skilled workers. Actually many Western countries suffer a bit from that too. For example with recent economic growth of Germany, they really lack skilled workers. And they actually have much more skilled workers than in Russia, but still they need more.

For Russia, in some regions there's a real problem with skilled workers. A good professional would not like to live in some 1 level rectangular building in Deep Siberia. And the locals aren't skilled enough, or drink too much. Sometimes both.
On another hand once I've been to a small town which I thought was an ass of the World, but it was actually pretty good there, and engineers there were real professionals.
No, it doesn't. Russia has one of the most highly educated populations in the world, that's a fact.

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No, it doesn't. Russia has one of the most highly educated populations in the world, that's a fact.
A fact is that you live in USA and I live in Russia, so I can see all live. And as I've already wrote many countries have this problem right now. Read all the post.


And to be a good specialist it's not enough just to finish university.

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A fact is that you live in USA and I live in Russia, so I can see all live. And as I've already wrote many countries have this problem right now. Read all the post.


And to be a good specialist it's not enough just to finish university.
You live in Russia? Didn't you immigrate from Russia? Are you working there as an expat now?

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You live in Russia? Didn't you immigrate from Russia? Are you working there as an expat now?
Immigrate? You mean emigrate? No, it's pretty good for me in Russia. I often go abroad, but that's because of work mostly.
I moved from my native city in Russia, but never lived abroad more than couple of monthes.

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Immigrate? You mean emigrate? No, it's pretty good for me in Russia. I often go abroad, but that's because of work mostly.
I moved from my native city in Russia, but never lived abroad more than couple of monthes.
Sorry, I am mistaken then. You do sound though 100% like a guy I know, he is a Russian born jewish immigrant. Unexplainably he likes hockey but always cheers for a team that plays against Russia, I guess he has some bitterness towards Russia for some reason. Funny enough just like you he did give props to the basketball team Russia for winning the Eurobasket but made sure he is clear that the only reason they won is the jewish coach David Blatt.

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Considering that he guy's family comes from Lvov it should come as no surprise. He's probably got a huge inferirotiy complex when it comes to Russia.
There's no need to go there. I comment on the reality of the situation, ends up some people are still living in denial about the state Russia is in; or at the very least are ignornant to how long the process of development takes.

You can't flip on a switch and turn Russia into a viable world power overnight.

China is making significantly more progress than the East, yet are they on track to be the next superpower? Sure, but not 'soon' by any stretch.

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Sorry, I am mistaken then. You do sound though 100% like a guy I know, he is a Russian born jewish immigrant. Unexplainably he likes hockey but always cheers for a team that plays against Russia, I guess he has some bitterness towards Russia for some reason. Funny enough just like you he did give props to the basketball team Russia for winning the Eurobasket but made sure he is clear that the only reason they won is the jewish coach David Blatt.
While I'm not jewish, it's hard to argue, Blatt has done very much for Team Russia. Of course not the only reason they won, but pretty big one. Good coach is very important. Btw I answered this question in Eurobasket thread.


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While I'm not jewish, it's hard to argue, Blatt has done very much for Team Russia. Of course not the only reason they won, but pretty big one. Good coach is very important.
No doubt about - Blatt is a fantastic coach but he is not MVP as I think you might have stated back then, he can't be by default, Kirilenko is.

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While I'm not jewish, it's hard to argue, Blatt has done very much for Team Russia. Of course not the only reason they won, but pretty big one. Good coach is very important. Btw I answered this question in Eurobasket thread.
Wow, I thought you lived in Sweden or in Latvia, it is kinda surprising that you are actually living in Russia, then why are you cheering for Swedish youngsters?

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No doubt about - Blatt is a fantastic coach but he is not MVP as I think you might have stated back then, he can't be by default, Kirilenko is.
Yea, unfortunatley Russia's acting like a sporting prostitute with all this naturalizing of foreign players. I hope someone over here is with me on this.

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There's no need to go there. I comment on the reality of the situation, ends up some people are still living in denial about the state Russia is in; or at the very least are ignornant to how long the process of development takes.
Well please pardon other posters for not automatically deferring to the irrefutable "facts" you are presenting from your omniscient position in Toronto. How about you wait until after your trip to Moscow and St. Petersburg this summer before presenting us all with a lecture on the reality of the situation?



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China is making significantly more progress than the East, yet are they on track to be the next superpower? Sure, but not 'soon' by any stretch.
Barring significant alteration in current economic trends, China's GDP is set to overtake that of the US within 20 years...

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Well please pardon other posters for not automatically deferring to the irrefutable "facts" you are presenting from your omniscient position in Toronto. How about you wait until after your trip to Moscow and St. Petersburg this summer before presenting us all with a lecture on the reality of the situation?




Barring significant alteration in current economic trends, China's GDP is set to overtake that of the US within 20 years...
1. A trip to a city isn't going to change the reality of the situation. That said, using Moscow/STP as a benchmark of all the Russian Federation is about as silly as visiting Toronto to get an idea what Canada is like.

Oh, and one of the reasons for the Moscow detour is to pick up some stuff I ordered crafted.....for about half the amount a US....or Finnish or Polish company even would charge. Inexplicably cheap Russian labor isn't indicative of an exponentially thriving economy, no?

2. 20 years eh? That would be about half the time-frame I put up for Russia that was quickly ridiculed. You suggesting Russia is close to China in economic growth?

I can't think of a single Russian stock I trade on the NYSE/NDQ, yet can list a dozen Chinese companies off the top of my head.

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1. A trip to a city isn't going to change the reality of the situation. That said, using Moscow/STP as a benchmark of all the Russian Federation is about as silly as visiting Toronto to get an idea what Canada is like.

Oh, and one of the reasons for the Moscow detour is to pick up some stuff I ordered crafted.....for about half the amount a US....or Finnish or Polish company even would charge. Inexplicably cheap Russian labor isn't indicative of an exponentially thriving economy, no?

2. 20 years eh? That would be about half the time-frame I put up for Russia that was quickly ridiculed. You suggesting Russia is close to China in economic growth?

I can't think of a single Russian stock I trade on the NYSE/NDQ, yet can list a dozen Chinese companies off the top of my head.
do you have a bad life? do you have a helthy family? can you answer at least for a one question!!?? WHERE YOU FROM? thats all why that thread made for! if you dont like RUSSIA then just ignore it! you will be wellcome in china ! good for you. if you have some political and economical issues than find some other forum. cheers!


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do you have a bad life? do you have a helthy family? can you answer at least for a one question!!?? WHERE YOU FROM? thats all why that thread made for! if you dont like RUSSIA than just ignore it! you will be wellcome in china ! good for you. if you have some political and economical issues than find some other foorum. cheers!
i already did. and if i didnt like russia, why would i post in this forum? obviously the thread went OT (whodathunkit?)

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