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03-23-2008, 07:37 PM
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Jockstrap, this is a report I wrote on him a couple months ago. Hopefully Regina does well so I can watch them sometime in the playoffs, maybe Shaw will pick up a couple of they're games. The number one reason for being ranked so low is probably size, he doesn't have much of it, but I don't think it will affect him with the type of game he plays.

Eberle: Smartest player on the ice. Knows where to go, can read the play better than most kids his age. Good vision, decent shot. He has a nice set of hands, he had a breakaway and competely had the goalie, but then he hit the post. Good in transistion, one play he read a bad Everett line change perfectly and streaked down, but his linemate couldnt connect him with the pass. I saw him get knocked off the puck a couple of times, but also saw him keep the puck after a big hit or check just as many. One play he got knocked down, and with three players around him managed to keep the puck, get back up and dangle inside and get a pass out in front. A thing of beauty. His size may be a bit of a concern, but he is surprisingly pretty strong on the puck and is a solid skater. If this guy is still around when we draft, man I would love to have this kid in our pool.

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Erberle, from what I saw, did not shy away from anything. He went along the boards, in front of the net...where ever. I think people have said this because he is more of an effective player in transistion and down the middle of the ice. Hes kind of more like a west-east player, he likes to stay in the middle, make give and goes, and get into open spaces in the slot or wherever he needs to go. I saw a number of times him time his lanes perfectly where he could recieve a pass in full flight...almost scored a goal on one of those plays. Im not too sure about his first steps because your second question is bang on, he is always moving, the only time I ever saw him stop was on the PP, and when he was on the half boards in the defensive zone.

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Like Eberle as well. Wouldn't be against picking him. But he falls in my category of players I would love to see being more involve in the play. But there's no doubt about his skillset. He has great offensive tools and a pure sniper mentality. And that's what we missed the most in our prospect pool.
Can you tell me more about Tomas Kubalcik?

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Thank you very much to all for ur responses... Eberle sounds good. Hopefully he's still around with our pick or even 2-3 sports before us; we can maybe trade up depending on were timmin's crew has Eberle ranked... time will tell

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Thank you very much to all for ur responses... Eberle sounds good. Hopefully he's still around with our pick or even 2-3 sports before us; we can maybe trade up depending on were timmin's crew has Eberle ranked... time will tell
Eberle is a favorite of mine, I don't know if he can or will be converted to wing or not.. But a goal-scorer like him would be nice in the prospect pool.

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Please clear this up for me. The RDS guy was talking about Q prospects, and he mentionned a kid who he compared to Chris Neill. The kid had just under 30 goals, about 200 pim's. It was the 2nd time I'd heard someone lobbying for this kid.

Who was he talking about ? Both touted him as a nice fit in Mtl.

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Please clear this up for me. The RDS guy was talking about Q prospects, and he mentionned a kid who he compared to Chris Neill. The kid had just under 30 goals, about 200 pim's. It was the 2nd time I'd heard someone lobbying for this kid.

Who was he talking about ? Both touted him as a nice fit in Mtl.
Must be talking about Danick Paquette.

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Please clear this up for me. The RDS guy was talking about Q prospects, and he mentionned a kid who he compared to Chris Neill. The kid had just under 30 goals, about 200 pim's. It was the 2nd time I'd heard someone lobbying for this kid.

Who was he talking about ? Both touted him as a nice fit in Mtl.
We did draft our enforcer last year in Andrew Conboy, I doubt we will draft another one.

But they are talking about Paquette. A pretty bad skater.

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We did draft our enforcer last year in Andrew Conboy, I doubt we will draft another one.

But they are talking about Paquette. A pretty bad skater.

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thanks guys, that's the name. So I take it you aren't as high in him as Norman Flynn and Stephane L.

Is he someone that is worth it as a 2nd ? I don't know how to judge whether a guy can improve quickness or not, just curious.

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thanks guys, that's the name. So I take it you aren't as high in him as Norman Flynn and Stephane L.

Is he someone that is worth it as a 2nd ? I don't know how to judge whether a guy can improve quickness or not, just curious.
No, no. There is much greater talent available in the 2nd round.

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thanks guys, that's the name. So I take it you aren't as high in him as Norman Flynn and Stephane L.

Is he someone that is worth it as a 2nd ? I don't know how to judge whether a guy can improve quickness or not, just curious.
Hes worth a 6th or 7th top. Maybe not worth it at all for us, since you don't draft enforcers every year and Andrew as been developing well in the states(including an acceptation to a college program(NCAA))

It's not like we need an enforcers either atm, with soon to be habs Chipchura(Replace Smolinski), Ryan White(3rd-4th liner with more grit than Dandy, Streit, Kostopoulos) and Max Paccioretty(Replace Ryder, top 6 winger) can all fight more than the pieces they will be replacing on our roster. Latendresse will also step it up as he matures.

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Hes worth a 6th or 7th top. Maybe not worth it at all for us, since you don't draft enforcers every year and Andrew as been developing well in the states(including an acceptation to a college program(NCAA))

It's not like we need an enforcers either atm, with soon to be habs Chipchura, Ryan White and Max Paccioretty can all fight more than the pieces they will be replacing on our roster. Latendresse will also step it up as he matures.
Komisarek, Valentenko, Emelin, O'Byrne and Paquette are others who will be able to fight on our blueline.

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Komisarek, Valentenko, Emelin, O'Byrne and Paquette are others who will be able to fight on our blueline.
Forget Emelin and add Mcdonagh, Fischer, Subban

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Hes worth a 6th or 7th top. Maybe not worth it at all for us, since you don't draft enforcers every year and Andrew as been developing well in the states(including an acceptation to a college program(NCAA))

It's not like we need an enforcers either atm, with soon to be habs Chipchura, Ryan White and Max Paccioretty can all fight more than the pieces they will be replacing on our roster. Latendresse will also step it up as he matures.
Geez, this is different than the reports Flynn and [is it Larouche ?] were giving. They were hinting that if you pick late in the 1st, why not. They were talking about him being more of a Neill type, than an enforcer, you know, a guy who can play regular minutes. They also hinted that the CH liked the kid, thouygh I don't know where that came from.

obviously, you guys feel differently.

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Forget Emelin and add Mcdonagh, Fischer, Subban
Why forget Emelin? He may not come over, but he is the most likely the fight out of all three. McDonagh may fight, but he doesn't seem to me like a big one. Fischer no way in hell, he looks way too nice to fight. Subban maybe.

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Geez, this is different than the reports Flynn and [is it Larouche ?] were giving. They were hinting that if you pick late in the 1st, why not. They were talking about him being more of a Neill type, than an enforcer, you know, a guy who can play regular minutes. They also hinted that the CH liked the kid, thouygh I don't know where that came from.

obviously, you guys feel differently.
Very questionable skating. Questionable upside. Just because he can do it in the Q doesn't mean he can translate it to the NHL level.

Keep in mind these are the same guys that lobbied for Esposito. Where is he now? On his way to supreme bustdom.


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Why forget Emelin? He may not come over, but he is the most likely the fight out of all three. McDonagh may fight, but he doesn't seem to me like a big one. Fischer no way in hell, he looks way too nice to fight. Subban maybe.
Fischer once he builds up to 220+ lbs will be able to fight. He probably wont because of the number of others guys who can fight now on the team.(A big change)

Subban will do Bouillon style policework.
Mcdonagh is not fighting right now because of NCAA rules. Hes a tough guy.

Emelin, isnt a hab for me anymore. Even if he is signed I doubt he will ever make it with the competition. Theres a possibility after next season if we choose to let go of Bouillon. Even then it will be a very limited opportunity as the young guys under him are better in almost every other department and the top 3 spots are locked. Gorges maybe got a lock on the 4th spot, Obyrne the 5th spot. Its 1 spot for 7 rookies and Emelin doesnt bring nearly enough compared to other guys in our system. Valentenko and Carle are already closer than Emelin to make it being in Hamilton.

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Geez, this is different than the reports Flynn and [is it Larouche ?] were giving. They were hinting that if you pick late in the 1st, why not. They were talking about him being more of a Neill type, than an enforcer, you know, a guy who can play regular minutes. They also hinted that the CH liked the kid, thouygh I don't know where that came from.

obviously, you guys feel differently.
Look for Ryan White to be your Neil and we picked him in the 3rd round. You just don't pick this type of player sooner than the 3rd round and White is a much better offensive talent than Paquette.

For the record, Flynn "draft record" is beyond ridiculous. Hes the same guy whos always pushing for the habs to draft from the Q. He doesnt know any prospects, not even those from the Q. He will look at particular draftable guys from the Q and put them all in the first round because they are "from here".


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Fischer once he builds up to 220+ lbs will be able to fight. He probably wont because of the number of others guys who can fight now on the team.(A big change)

Subban will do Bouillon style policework.
Mcdonagh is not fighting right now because of NCAA rules. Hes a tough guy.

Emelin, isnt a hab for me anymore. Even if he is signed I doubt he will ever make it with the competition. Theres a possibility after next season if we choose to let go of Bouillon. Even then it will be a very limited opportunity as the young guys under him are better in almost every other department and the top 3 spots are locked. Gorges maybe got a lock on the 4th spot, Obyrne the 5th spot. Its 1 spot for 7 rookies and Emelin doesnt bring nearly enough compared to other guys in our system. Valentenko and Carle are already closer than Emelin to make it being in Hamilton.
I have high hopes for Emelin. He is absolutely everything I've wanted on the Habs blue-line. Fischer is still 3-4 years away. McDonagh is 2-3 years. Valentenko is only 1-2 years away. Carle may never develop into anything more than a 7th D.

Emelin if we can get him to come over would need most likely a year in the AHL and could step in. His nastiness, puck-moving skills, size and hatred is exactly what this defence needs for games against teams like Ottawa.

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I have high hopes for Emelin. He is absolutely everything I've wanted on the Habs blue-line. Fischer is still 3-4 years away. McDonagh is 2-3 years. Valentenko is only 1-2 years away. Carle may never develop into anything more than a 7th D.

Emelin if we can get him to come over would need most likely a year in the AHL and could step in. His nastiness, puck-moving skills, size and hatred is exactly what this defence needs for games against teams like Ottawa.
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He already looked much better than Brisebois in the preseason, he WILL turn out into a very good bottom pairing D-man as expected.

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He already looked much better than Brisebois in the preseason, he WILL turn out into a very good bottom pairing D-man as expected.
I like Carle. I'm just saying, it's a real possibility that he may end up like a Streit. Powerplay specialist. But in the pre-season, Carle was very good before getting injured.

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I have high hopes for Emelin. He is absolutely everything I've wanted on the Habs blue-line. Fischer is still 3-4 years away. McDonagh is 2-3 years. Valentenko is only 1-2 years away. Carle may never develop into anything more than a 7th D.

Emelin if we can get him to come over would need most likely a year in the AHL and could step in. His nastiness, puck-moving skills, size and hatred is exactly what this defence needs for games against teams like Ottawa.
Size, what size are you talking about? Hes maybe 6'1(probably 6'0) 200 lbs. He doesnt bring size compared to most of his competition. I agree hes a nasty guy, attitude wise, I just don't think we need him at all or that he will be able to beat his competition. I think Carle will surprise a lot of people and we might see Subban sooner than expected. (Particularly if we cant re-up streit)

This years Senators are a special breed, they wont be able to keep half their players next year, we shouldnt compare our team to a "cup bound" contender in "desperate mode"(Assets flying out of the door!). Imo against the Sens our biggest problem isnt the lack of grit at D, but at forward. Chipchura, Fortier, White will be poison for Ottawa.

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I like Carle. I'm just saying, it's a real possibility that he may end up like a Streit. Powerplay specialist. But in the pre-season, Carle was very good before getting injured.

The thing is, Streit is already in his prime so there's not much more hope that he gets better defensively, however Carle is not and still has a lot of time to work on it.

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Size, what size are you talking about? Hes maybe 6'1(probably 6'0) 200 lbs. He doesnt bring size compared to most of his competition. I agree hes a nasty guy, attitude wise, I just don't think we need him at all or that he will be able to beat his competition. I think Carle will surprise a lot of people and we might see Subban sooner than expected. (Particularly if we cant re-up streit)

This years Senators are a special breed, they wont be able to keep half their players next year, we shouldnt compare our team to a "cup bound" contender in "desperate mode". Imo against the Sens our biggest problem isnt the lack of grit at D, but at forward. Chipchura, Fortier, White will be poison for Ottawa.
Just so you know. Emelin plays much bigger than his size indicates. He's built up like a tank.


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Just so you know. Emelin plays much bigger than his size indicates. He's built up like a tank.
Yup. And going up against him you just never know if he's gonna slash you. Knee you. Elbow you. He's just got that personality that he can literally snap at any moment. It'll keep a lot of skilled players on their toes. That intimidation factor is an absolute necessity that we lack.

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Just so you know. Emelin plays much bigger than his size indicates. He's built up like a tank.
I do know from watching him play 50+ games. The same can be said from most of our prospects.(Particularly Tank, Subban and Mcdo)

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I do know from watching him play 50+ games. The same can be said from most of our prospects.(Particularly Tank, Subban and Mcdo)

Then no wonder you're absolutely hating him, he had an atrocious year.

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Geez, this is different than the reports Flynn and [is it Larouche ?] were giving. They were hinting that if you pick late in the 1st, why not. They were talking about him being more of a Neill type, than an enforcer, you know, a guy who can play regular minutes. They also hinted that the CH liked the kid, thouygh I don't know where that came from.

obviously, you guys feel differently.
I don't have an opinion about Paquette myself. But guys like him are always lightning rods for debate and discussion anyway. The CSS mid-terms had him #41, which probably translates to late-2nd/early-3rd once you factor in Euros and goalies. Others have him ranked in roughtly the same vicinity. Some detractors will put him lower on skating or fitness or whatever.

I remember a couple years back when I was watching Steve Downie in the OHL and he was really an eye-catching player on the ice, but when I looked for his draft rankings they were reasonably non-descript like Paquette's. His skating was terrible, his head questioned.

I don't think Paquette brings some of the same elements in terms of vision or two-way play that Downie does, but I think you also have to remember in that off-the-cuff comparison that Downie didn't really necessarily have the same reputation for those things heading into the draft that he ended up with shortly thereafter either.

The thing Paquette has going for him is uniqueness. Or at least "relative uniqueness" in a draft of over 200 players and maybe more like 500 guys on teams' radars. The Avery/Downie/Neil factor is something I think NHL teams are actively on the lookout for. Fad or not, it's not something that seems to be as easy to find as other player types. Philly wanted Downie despite his wild reputation and the technical knocks against him, and made him a 1st round pick.

It wouldn't shock me if some team overlooked the pure technical knocks on Paquette and similarly picked him higher than his draft rankings will warrant. There's always that random element in play with NHL teams, if they have a specific thing they're looking for, that might trump the purely technical assessment of a player. Of course, you'll never hear their director of scouting say they want a pudgy lead-footed guy who might have a screw or two loose upstairs. That's not kosher these days. But an NHL GM might have a different idea. And Paquette seems to be at the head of his particular class with the uniqueness factor. (Or 1 step removed from the head of the class if you're not looking past Beach higher up, that is).

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Then no wonder you're absolutely hating him, he had an atrocious year.
I don't hate him, in fact I like him.(Ive seen games from him before this year)

But:

1) He should have signed this summer. He missed his chance imo. The organization was really frustrated to say the least.
2) Because of this delayed signing, not only I feel that he has not progressed in the RSL, but he also put his chance in Jeopardy with the habs because of the way we drafted recently. It's my evaluation that he might not have what it takes to make the team for the foreseeable future the way hes playing right now.

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