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Will be going to the Gaints playoff game this weekend. I will write a report on James Wright, I'm interested to see how he fares in the playoffs. If there is anyone you guys want me to check out than drop me a line. It should be Vancouver vs. Chilliwack...not the most intriguing as far as prospects go. But should be good hockey nonetheless.
Most definately James Wright. I want us to rack some big centerman with potential if possible and Wright might be one of them. Though I wasn't impress the 3 times I saw him. Didn't show me 1 great quality so far. But you can't deny his size his balance.

The other guy I would like to see you keeping an eye on is Vancouver's Lance Bouma. Centerman, fine size, solid, 2-way player, though his offensive abilities are questionable to say the least.

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Quebec League prospects

After reading a lot of prospect profiles for the upcoming draft, I am beginning to think the HABS will take several kids from the Q . Here are a few I am starting to like...

3.Maxime Sauvé
Played 3rd centre behind Esposito and Tessier with Québec.
Shines way more with les Foreurs.
Good two-way centre
Trevor Timmins really likes Sauve
If he's around in the third he's a Hab..perhaps even in the second


4.Nicholas Deschamps
He's a very good skater, very agile.
He plays both ends of the rink and plays with a lot of maturity.
He's a good feeder, passes the puck very well.
Terrefic work ethic


7.Danick Paquette
This kid is nasty,dirty and I love it.
He hits,frustrates other players with his unique abrasive gamestyle.
He loves to intimidate players after the play, crush the goaltender
has a nice timing to deliver pain along the boards.
He's not only a dirty guy, he can play finesse hockey too!
He got goal scorer hands with pretty impressive vision.
Danick is one of a kind guy in this draft and teams wants to take him early.
Needs to work on his skating for the next level.


8.Mathieu Tousignant
Very good playmaker with grind and poise.
Likes to play hard and dirty.
Great hands and creativity with the puck.
Tousignant makes plays that pull you out of your seat.
Does not shy away from going to the net for a scoring chance.


10.Philippe Cornet
Is a natural goal-scorer, with plenty of grit to fight through traffic and battle against big defensemen.
Owns the confidence of a veteran.
Was a Midjet AAA superstar in Amos.
Sees the ice well and loves to use his imagination.
Cornet sees the ice well and makes good decisions with the puck.à
Has under-rated passing ability and is good in the face-off circle.Works hard every shift.
Needs to improve his overall skating and increase his strength to be more effective along the boards.


2.Kevin Poulin
His fifth year as a goaltender.
Plays a Luongo style.
highly skilled goalie with consistency issues.
Plays for a weak team.
Has too much talent to fall further.


13.Patrice Cormier
Power forward type,good skater with mobility,can not be intimidated
Can be used at even strength and on power play,has a good hard shot with a quick release…good size
goes to the net hard
not always at the right position
Needs to compete harder for the puck.
He's made out of glass.


20.Dave Labrecque
A dark horse, superstar in midget AAA. Tremendous playmaking abilities. Sees the ice like no other.
Great shot, good skating and deking abilities.
He's made out of glass.


Seems like a few forwards may fit the bill....your thoughts??

1st Round -- Sauve
2nd round -- Deschamps
4th round -- Paquette

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I think that if Patrice Cormier falls, it might be worth taking a gamble on him.

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Bit of a first round wishlist..

Nikita Filatov - Hopping by some miracle the transfer agreement makes him fall to us, highly unlikely.

Mikkel Boedker - I want him, but no way he lasts where we are.

Kyle Beach - Hopefully his attitude and character issues make him drop to us, but this is also highly unlikely.

Luca Sbisa - I've only seen him in limited viewing and he is a defenceman, but I've liked what I did see.

Mattias Tedenby - He's small, but he's got offensive talent out the wazoo, if he's around and there's no big offensive centerman available, I'd love this pick. Might not fall to us, his size and european-ness may cause him to fall to us, though it's a pipe-dream at this point.

Evgeny Grachev - Big offensive centerman, from Russia, might cause him to fall into our laps.

Jordan Eberle - Size is a concern, but a natural goal scoring center would be a perfect fit for our prospect pool.

Mitch Wahl - I hear good things about his upside, he's a center, but I'm not hundred percent convinced it would be the right pick for us.

Joe Colborne- Huge center with offensive capabilities, his package might be too good for us to pass up on.

Vyacheslav Voinov - He's a D, might not pick him because of that, but because he's russian he might fall and would be a good pick up.

Mikhail Stefanovich - He's playing the wing, would love for him to be back to center for us.. Belarussian, can score, might be a great fit for us.

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03-18-2008, 10:12 AM
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Bit of a first round wishlist..

Nikita Filatov - Hopping by some miracle the transfer agreement makes him fall to us, highly unlikely.

Mikkel Boedker - I want him, but no way he lasts where we are.

Kyle Beach - Hopefully his attitude and character issues make him drop to us, but this is also highly unlikely.

Luca Sbisa - I've only seen him in limited viewing and he is a defenceman, but I've liked what I did see.

Mattias Tedenby - He's small, but he's got offensive talent out the wazoo, if he's around and there's no big offensive centerman available, I'd love this pick. Might not fall to us, his size and european-ness may cause him to fall to us, though it's a pipe-dream at this point.

Evgeny Grachev - Big offensive centerman, from Russia, might cause him to fall into our laps.

Jordan Eberle - Size is a concern, but a natural goal scoring center would be a perfect fit for our prospect pool.

Mitch Wahl - I hear good things about his upside, he's a center, but I'm not hundred percent convinced it would be the right pick for us.

Joe Colborne- Huge center with offensive capabilities, his package might be too good for us to pass up on.

Vyacheslav Voinov - He's a D, might not pick him because of that, but because he's russian he might fall and would be a good pick up.

Mikhail Stefanovich - He's playing the wing, would love for him to be back to center for us.. Belarussian, can score, might be a great fit for us.
I'm very high(very very very high) on Voinov for our 1st rounder.(In the same way I was about Max Paccioretty) Yeah, I know, I know another D. But heres what I think: He would be a top 10 pick if he was playing in North America. Hes easily comparable to the big 4,(Doughty, Pietra, Bogosian, Schenn) play with poise, passion and hes everything Markov is. With Markov being around 30, I think its already the time to pick his replacement if we can, Voinov is the best Russian D since...Markov.

Filatov won't fall at the draft because hes an exceptional forward talent, but Voinov will even if he might be as exceptional in my honest opinion.(Lack of transfer agreement and poor reputation of russian Ds.)

By looking at the big picture I do not think we should draft a forward late in the first round this year, it's not the time, theres more bust than boom in 2008 in this very shallow depth year. 2009 will be a completely different story, it will be the year go all out for an offensive star in the first round.(Even if we draft 30th )

All that being said, Id more willing to risk a 50th and 75th selections on boom or busts forwards like Tessier, Cormier or even Poulin. (We need a goalie in the top 4 rounds this year)

Edit: Stefanovitch, would be a good pick up imo, but dont ever expect him to play center in the NHL, just doesnt have the tools. (But you do want him to score goals, in a Ryder-ish role). Sergei Kostitsyn who never played center is showing much more center attributes already. One strong point with Stefanovitch: he would be ready quick, hes physically very mature, defensively stable, wise kid with a big attitude.(Might be the "problem" on his evaluation sheet)


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I'm very high on Voinov for our 1st rounder. Yeah, I know, I know another D. But heres what I think: He would be a top 10 pick if he was playing in North America. Hes easily comparable to the big 4,(Doughty, Pietra, Bogosian, Schenn) play with poise, passion and hes everything Markov is. With Markov being around 30, I think its already the time to pick his replacement if we can, Voinov is the best Russian D since...Markov.

Filatov won't fall at the draft because hes an exceptional forward talent, but Voinov will even if he might be as exceptional in my honest opinion.(Lack of transfer agreement and poor reputation of russian Ds.)

By looking at the big picture I do not think we should draft a forward late in the first round this year, it's not the time, theres more bust than boom in 2008 in this very shallow depth year. 2009 will be a completely different story, it will be the year go all out for an offensive star in the first round.(Even if we draft 30th )

All that being said, Id more willing to risk a 50th and 75th selections on boom or busts forwards like Tessier, Cormier or even Poulin. (We need a goalie in the top 4 rounds this year)
In a weaker draft, I think it's good to go big in the middle rounds rather than draft 3 Duncan Milroys. Poulin is a big wild card in this draft, if Melanson could work with him maybe he's a legit top 15 talent, but we might be able to get him 3rd or 4th round because of his up and down year.

Cormier is another guy that could be a top 6 power winger/center or bust, but he's had inconsistant development and injury problems...another good 3rd or 4th rounder.

Tessier to me will go 2nd round to somebody, at worst he is a Torrey Mitchell type who is strong on PK and defensively and chips in 30-40 pts...at best he is a Zach Parise top line forward. His playoffs could push him up to 25-30 or down to early 3rd rd.

Stefanovich reminds me a lot of A.Kostitsyn, a pure scoring winger that's strong on the puck and plays off wing. I don;t see the point of playing him center, he is a shooter, not a distributor.

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In a weaker draft, I think it's good to go big in the middle rounds rather than draft 3 Duncan Milroys. Poulin is a big wild card in this draft, if Melanson could work with him maybe he's a legit top 15 talent, but we might be able to get him 3rd or 4th round because of his up and down year.

Cormier is another guy that could be a top 6 power winger/center or bust, but he's had inconsistant development and injury problems...another good 3rd or 4th rounder.

Tessier to me will go 2nd round to somebody, at worst he is a Torrey Mitchell type who is strong on PK and defensively and chips in 30-40 pts...at best he is a Zach Parise top line forward. His playoffs could push him up to 25-30 or down to early 3rd rd.

Stefanovich reminds me a lot of A.Kostitsyn, a pure scoring winger that's strong on the puck and plays off wing. I don;t see the point of playing him center, he is a shooter, not a distributor.

First, I agree with your philosophy and I think Timmins does too.

Hmm Stefanovich and Kostitsyn are playing a pretty different game. They are both scorers, but Andrei is 80% creation, 20% positioning, while Stefa is the reverse.

Tessier, I'm probably one of his biggest fan here, he starts with many strikes against him, but boy, this guy is a winner.

Cormier, lots of potential, he needs to find his niche since he cant dominate in all attributes like he did in the midget. This is probably the biggest reason why Quebec got such a hard time at producing valid NHL offensive talent these days, Bantam AA and Midget AAA are too diluted, the genetics plays too much of a role in establishing dominance.(Rather than skill and genetics.)(Putting a stop in development in the crucial 14-16 age group)

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Here are my top 3 picks for the Habs
1-Colton Tuebert
2-Josh Brittain
3-Mike Murphy

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Colten Teubert ... stat's arn't impressive. Do we really need this kind of player ?


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Colten Teubert ... stat's arn't impressive. Do we really need this king of player ?
Not 'tall.

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Colten Teubert ... stat's arn't impressive. Do we really need this king of player ?
Do you even have any idea what kind of player he is. He is a big mobile defensemen that can play sound defense and can make a decent first pass. He has a little more offensive capabilities then people give him credit for, but he really excels on the defensive end of the ice. I'm not saying we need this kind of player but I don't see how stats have anything to do with it.

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Do you even have any idea what kind of player he is. He is a big mobile defensemen that can play sound defense and can make a decent first pass. He has a little more offensive capabilities then people give him credit for, but he really excels on the defensive end of the ice. I'm not saying we need this kind of player but I don't see how stats have anything to do with it.
I always liked him but I don't believe he'll be able to develop more his offensive skills in a higher level. Might become a good shutodwn D, with a good first pass like you said.

But I don't think we should target a guy like him. If he's there and keeps falling, for sure, but make an extra effort to target him, I don't see it.

But stats are not everything, of course. Though if we have in mind that we should look for a quaterback, then stats kick in. And one candidate of mine in the back end is Jyri Niemi.

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First, I agree with your philosophy and I think Timmins does too.

Hmm Stefanovich and Kostitsyn are playing a pretty different game. They are both scorers, but Andrei is 80% creation, 20% positioning, while Stefa is the reverse.

Tessier, I'm probably one of his biggest fan here, he starts with many strikes against him, but boy, this guy is a winner.

Cormier, lots of potential, he needs to find his niche since he cant dominate in all attributes like he did in the midget. This is probably the biggest reason why Quebec got such a hard time at producing valid NHL offensive talent these days, Bantam AA and Midget AAA are too diluted, the genetics plays too much of a role in establishing dominance.(Rather than skill and genetics.)(Putting a stop in development in the crucial 14-16 age group)
Cormier actually played Jr.A the first half of his 14year old season and all his 15 year old season before being drafted into the Q.

In Quebec, the tendancy seems to have shifted from goalies and one way offensive players to big skilled d-men(Sauve Southorn Letang Bourdon(NB) Delisle Marshall Vlasic Amyot etc)

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Do you even have any idea what kind of player he is. He is a big mobile defensemen that can play sound defense and can make a decent first pass. He has a little more offensive capabilities then people give him credit for, but he really excels on the defensive end of the ice. I'm not saying we need this kind of player but I don't see how stats have anything to do with it.
Is that not in the same mold as O'byrne Fischer Valentenko McDonagh Subban?

I think the big needs for this team draft wise are...

1-1st/2nd lime calibre skill centre
2-goaltending
3-toughness and physical play on the wings

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hey guys i was just looking at the ISS ranking and it for a couple of months now that Evgeny Grachev is on the top 20 list. I would like to know how good is he. Can he become the next big russian star in the NHL besides Filatov? Can he make an impact as malkin did? He stands at 6-3 202 pound centerman which is very impressive.

what do you guys think? The habs might consider him with their first pick.

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Cormier actually played Jr.A the first half of his 14year old season and all his 15 year old season before being drafted into the Q.

In Quebec, the tendancy seems to have shifted from goalies and one way offensive players to big skilled d-men(Sauve Southorn Letang Bourdon(NB) Delisle Marshall Vlasic Amyot etc)
Jr.A is in the same boat. That was my point, to many leagues, too many teams, too little concentration of talent.

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Bit of a first round wishlist..

Nikita Filatov - Hopping by some miracle the transfer agreement makes him fall to us, highly unlikely.Agree..game breaker skills

Mikkel Boedker - I want him, but no way he lasts where we are. Agree ..speed ++

Kyle Beach - Hopefully his attitude and character issues make him drop to us, but this is also highly unlikely. Pass 2 years he still hasn't learned or cleaned up his act

Luca Sbisa - I've only seen him in limited viewing and he is a defenceman, but I've liked what I did see. Maybe

Mattias Tedenby - He's small, but he's got offensive talent out the wazoo, if he's around and there's no big offensive centerman available, I'd love this pick. Might not fall to us, his size and european-ness may cause him to fall to us, though it's a pipe-dream at this point. Smaller than Grabs...Pass

Evgeny Grachev - Big offensive centerman, from Russia, might cause him to fall into our laps. Nice Size

Jordan Eberle - Size is a concern, but a natural goal scoring center would be a perfect fit for our prospect pool.Too small I think

Mitch Wahl - I hear good things about his upside, he's a center, but I'm not hundred percent convinced it would be the right pick for us. Doesn't dominate much

Joe Colborne- Huge center with offensive capabilities, his package might be too good for us to pass up on.Huge but some negatives coming out lately

Vyacheslav Voinov - He's a D, might not pick him because of that, but because he's russian he might fall and would be a good pick up. Agree

Mikhail Stefanovich - He's playing the wing, would love for him to be back to center for us.. Belarussian, can score, might be a great fit for us
.Pass , have enough Belarussian need a few heart and soul type Canadian kids now

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I dont want Joe Colbourne

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hey guys i was just looking at the ISS ranking and it for a couple of months now that Evgeny Grachev is on the top 20 list. I would like to know how good is he. Can he become the next big russian star in the NHL besides Filatov? Can he make an impact as malkin did? He stands at 6-3 202 pound centerman which is very impressive.

what do you guys think? The habs might consider him with their first pick.
I didnt see much of him(like 2 games) he looks good, but I would have to spend another 10 games on him, which I just might later this spring.(I get feeds and DVDs from a couple of friends.) I'm just scared that his size might overhype him on the rankings atm.(I want to see more of his skills)

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Colten Teubert ... stat's arn't impressive. Do we really need this king of player ?
Why ?? We have enough Dman his style...solid limited offensive upside...

Much rather draft John Carlson, Jake Gardiner, or Vyacheslav Voinov, Dmen with huge offensive upside

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I hear he has questionable character

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.Pass , have enough Belarussian need a few heart and soul type Canadian kids now
Sergei Kostitsyn isnt heart and soul enough? come on, nationality as little to do with being a competitor.(Particularly in Belarus where hockey is as important culturally as here.)

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Why ?? We have enough Dman his style...solid limited offensive upside...

Much rather draft John Carlson, Jake Gardiner, or Vyacheslav Voinov, Dmen with huge offensive upside


Gardiner looks ok, but I think hes a 2nd rounder.(Not consistent enough for a 1st rounder)

Carlson, I need to see more off him.


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Is that not in the same mold as O'byrne Fischer Valentenko McDonagh Subban?

I think the big needs for this team draft wise are...

1-1st/2nd lime calibre skill centre
2-goaltending
3-toughness and physical play on the wings

If we take one of these Dmen with our 1st rounder (John Carlson, Jake Gardiner, or Vyacheslav Voinov)..then I would like to see 2 forwards and a goalie in the next 3 rounds..other wise 3 Forwards and a Goalie....JMHO

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Sergei Kostitsyn isnt heart and soul enough? come on, nationality as little to do with being a competitor.(Particularly in Belarus where hockey is as important culturally as here.)
Every team needs a Ryan Smyth,Bob Gainey type player. Never quit & play with 2 speerated shoulders...that type of heart and soul... Yes SKost hits etc but come on that is not the same...


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Every team needs a Ryan Smyth,Bob Gainey type player. Never quit & play with 2 speerated shoulders...that type of heart and soul... Yes SKost hits etc but come on that is not the same...
Max Paccioretty.

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