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03-09-2008, 05:33 PM
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Plenty of Cap space for Habs this coming Summer

I don’t know if this makes sense, but it looks like the wealth of relatively inexpensive young talent the Habs have will give them plenty of cap space for the 2008-2009 season, just in time for the 100th anniversary season of our storied franchise and the coming together of Mr Gainey's 5-year plan.

Assuming a Cap of $55 Million, it looks like the Habs will have about $12 Million to play with next Summer if my calculations are correct.

Does this model make sense???

Goalies

Price 850 (rookie max, but some sites have him at 2.200 Million per year?)
Halak 500

Total 1,350

Defense

Markov 5.750
Hammer 5.500
Komi 1.700
O’Byrne 0.615
Bouillon 1.875
Gorges 0.850 (est)
Streit 2.000 (est)

Total 18.290

Forwards

Saku 4.750
Higgins 1.700
Kost Jr 0.570

Pleks 1.600
Kovy 4.500
Kost Sr 1.800 (est. on par with Pleks/Komi/Higgins)

Laps 0.900 (est.)
Chips 0.943
Tender 0.850
Kostop 0.900
Dandy 1.725
Bégin 1.057


Total 21,295

Spares

2 Spares 1.200 (est. @ 0.600 each)

Old Contracts (Culleymore and Salmelainen)

Culley 0.640
Salma 0.125

Total 0.765


Total for team 42,900

But the Habs will have to be careful, this blissful situation will be short-lived, as they have to keep more than loose change for the end of the 2008-2009 season, when Komi, Kovy and Saku (UFA) and Higgins and Plekanec (RFA) will be up for undoubtedly rich contracts, but on the positive side Bouillon’s and Dandy’s contract will be up by then…

I took most of my info from the following source:

http://www.nhlnumbers.com/overview.php?team=MTL


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03-09-2008, 05:44 PM
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I really doubt Streit signs for only 2 million a year. We all know that his stats are inflated by our powerplay and that he has a lot of defensive flaws, but the fact remains that he's fourth in points among defensemen and should finish around 60. There are GMs out there who will throw money at him, and I'm sure he and his agent now that. I'm not saying he'll test the market, but he does have leverage.

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I really doubt Streit signs for only 2 million a year. We all know that his stats are inflated by our powerplay and that he has a lot of defensive flaws, but the fact remains that he's fourth in points among defensemen and should finish around 60. There are GMs out there who will throw money at him, and I'm sure he and his agent now that. I'm not saying he'll test the market, but he does have leverage.
However Streit seems to be in love with the city.

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Kostop will not be resigned

And i beleive they will try to move or buyout Dandenaults 1.7

Prices cap hit is 2.2 mill because of performance bonuses

Sergei Kostitsyns cap hit is closer to 900k for bonuses

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I really doubt Streit signs for only 2 million a year. We all know that his stats are inflated by our powerplay and that he has a lot of defensive flaws, but the fact remains that he's fourth in points among defensemen and should finish around 60. There are GMs out there who will throw money at him, and I'm sure he and his agent now that. I'm not saying he'll test the market, but he does have leverage.
100% streit signs for 2 mill or lower, its a question of years, i say 3, but he might want 4

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I heard the cap might actually reach 57mm

Don't know how many visit sites like this but here is one cap tracking site:
http://www.nhlnumbers.com/overview.php?team=MTL

We have about 32 mm tied up in players under contract with 4 UFAs (Ryder,Smolinski,Brisebois and Streit) and 7 RFAs including A.Kost, Grabo, Laps, Locke, Gorges, Halak and O'Byrne

Ryder and Smoke are presently taking up 5 mm Cap room. The rest are all less than 1mm PRESENTLY

I have to think we definitely want back Halak, Streit, A.Kost. Reasonably safe RFAs (if that exists anymore) are Grabo, Laps, Gorges and O'Byrne. Not likely we will sign Locke, Ryder, Smolinski, Breezer.

The question is can we resign the wants and have enough cap space to spend 7mm plus on an impact player.

OR, we may want to do what other teams are doing and lockup the guys we really like to long term deals (i.e. Kosty bros, Price, Komi, etc.

Thoughts?

PS: Kostopolous is under contract for less than 1mm. I don't think they are going to buy him out. It makes no sense


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Cap hit is actually base salary plus all possible bonuses in the contract...this mean's Price's Cap hit is over 2 million and he probably isnt the only one with a higher cap hit than his base salary.

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Can anybody else see a rival eastern conference GM giving Andrei Kostitsyn an offer sheet. Gainey will likely match as long as it isn't anything ridiculous (anything $3m or under), and you have to figure other GM's know this. What is the penalty for $3m?

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Kostop will not be resigned

And i beleive they will try to move or buyout Dandenaults 1.7

Prices cap hit is 2.2 mill because of performance bonuses

Sergei Kostitsyns cap hit is closer to 900k for bonuses
I belive Kostopoulos is signed through next year, we gave him a 2-year contract

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I belive Kostopoulos is signed through next year, we gave him a 2-year contract
That is correct. He has a 0.9 cap hit this year and next.

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Can anybody else see a rival eastern conference GM giving Andrei Kostitsyn an offer sheet. Gainey will likely match as long as it isn't anything ridiculous (anything $3m or under), and you have to figure other GM's know this. What is the penalty for $3m?
3 mm might happen. not sure how they decide the compensation. Is it by the $$$

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Bring back Alexander Perezhogin at 2 Millions $ for 1 year. (If Gainey gave 2 Millions to Bryan Smolinspuke, He can give it to Perezhogin no problem.).

Sign UFA Marian Hossa at 8,5 Millions $ for 6 years

Streit will sign at no less than 3 Millions $

Get rid of Dandenault and Bouillon, or buy them out.

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Gotta figure Gorges will get $2m for two years. I agree about Streit. They may have to bite the bullet and go $9m over three years. He adds a lot of value to the first PP, and his ability to play a checking role, and fill in defensively (albeit, sometimes a little shakily) is definitely an asset. Having depth on the blueline can't be undervalued as we have lucked out for the majority of the year keeping our defensemen healthy, a big reason why we are fighting for 1st.

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Can anybody else see a rival eastern conference GM giving Andrei Kostitsyn an offer sheet. Gainey will likely match as long as it isn't anything ridiculous (anything $3m or under), and you have to figure other GM's know this. What is the penalty for $3m?
IMO the whole RFA offer sheet thing is over-rated. I don't think teams are going to be lining up like people think, especially after how it failed so misrably for the Oliers this season.

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Gotta figure Gorges will get $2m for two years. I agree about Streit. They may have to bite the bullet and go $9m over three years. He adds a lot of value to the first PP, and his ability to play a checking role, and fill in defensively (albeit, sometimes a little shakily) is definitely an asset. Having depth on the blueline can't be undervalued as we have lucked out for the majority of the year keeping our defensemen healthy, a big reason why we are fighting for 1st.

Great point Bonestorm!

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Can anybody else see a rival eastern conference GM giving Andrei Kostitsyn an offer sheet. Gainey will likely match as long as it isn't anything ridiculous (anything $3m or under), and you have to figure other GM's know this. What is the penalty for $3m?
I believe it is a first and a 3rd

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100% streit signs for 2 mill or lower, its a question of years, i say 3, but he might want 4
100% sure Streit doesnt sign for two million or lower. Think more from 3 million and upwards no matter how many years he gets.

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I hope Gainey goes after Rolston, I love that guy.

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I think A. Kost will get much more than $1.8M. We have to make sure he doesn't get signed away.

Also, Price will be higher than 0.850, Streit will be higher than 2.0, Gorges will be higher than 0.850.

All these guys will be about $4M more, but that still leaves $8M to sign Hossa.

After next year, Kovalev, Koivu, Dandy will all expire. Then we have money to resign Komisarek, Pleks, Higgins.

I think alot of teams have tons of cap room don't they? I'd be worred we could lose Kostitsyn for a $5M a year contract and not get Hossa.

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100% sure Streit doesnt sign for two million or lower. Think more from 3 million and upwards no matter how many years he gets.

Not even close.
And his agent already said Streit will be asking for 2-2.5M...
Ryder didnt even get 3M after scoring one 25G season and 2other of 30G.
Streit has been great but his PP numbers aren't worth 3M+ cuz that's pretty much all he brings.
He's not that good on D, he's a 4th liner and PP Specialist.
Anything more than 2.5M for a guy like Streit is overpaying.

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Here's a similar thread from week ago and Redscull's contract calculation on the subject also. You might be interested to take a look. In both our calculations we ended up around 49 M...

Mostly everything depends on the salary cap and how it's gonna develop... 39->44->50,3-> ? Around 55 maybe?

EDIT: There was also a thread about Streit's future salary week ago. Don't wanna be *****y, but this feels kinda stupid... Pretty often someone starts a new thread about summing up the salaries, I'd like to see a sticky about it.

EDIT2: wow, this board censors the cursewords automatically. Didn't know that before... *****


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I hope Gainey picks up... no-one.

Trading Mattieu Dandenault would be nice, though. Maybe Steve Begin as well, though I'll miss Begin. Those would be cap moves.

If Gainey does get anyone, I hope its just a fourth line veteran. I'd rather save the capspace for later.

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I hope Gainey goes after Rolston, I love that guy.
Agreed...I would even offer 5 million per, short term deal...2-3 years

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Gorges and O'Byrne won't be paid 1m... they're just barely nhl regulars... I expect around 800k for both...

As for Kost, giving him a 5mil contract this summer would be huge mistake. We still don't know yet how good he'll turn out to be, For now, he's just 50pts scorer... A 2 years 2mil contract should do the job fine, maybe a Michalek-like contract if he wants a longer deal... but we don't want a Vanek-like mess of a deal (I doubt a GM will give an insane offer sheet to Kosty... and I doubt even more he'll accept it, his bro plays with us!)

I find his calculations pretty accurate, minus a couple of cap hits and bonuses mistakes...

We can definitely go hard after Hossa... but will he sign? I sure hope so... I'd like Jagr to or another 1 year quick fix, waiting for that superstar scorer...

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Not even close.
And his agent already said Streit will be asking for 2-2.5M...
Ryder didnt even get 3M after scoring one 25G season and 2other of 30G.
Streit has been great but his PP numbers aren't worth 3M+ cuz that's pretty much all he brings.
He's not that good on D, he's a 4th liner and PP Specialist.
Anything more than 2.5M for a guy like Streit is overpaying.
I agree about Streit.

I also don't think AKostitsyn is going to get more than what Higgins and Plekanec got, as I don't think there's much risk of losing him to an offer sheet. There are a huge number of potential offer sheet targets, and AKostitsyn isn't that high on the list.

I doubt that we'll see a lot of offer sheets anyway. Every team has valuable RFAs, and no one wants to have to overpay them to keep them. We might see a few for some select players on teams with cap or budget problems, but it won't be open season on every RFA in the league.

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