OT : (Late womens day lol) More women around hockey
Not sure it is an OT but in case, I putted it.
I think there should be more women around hockey. In RDS and most place it's only men. Women have a different point of view then men. This is cliche, but let see an example :
Men bring statistics to prove their point, while women doesn't. For a men statistics make their point stronger while for women statistics can means anythings you want them to mean. So statistics doesn't have the same value for men and women. And hockey is a men sport so their is statistics everywhere.
Note : that is in general, their is always mens that think like womens and womens that think like mens.
To prove my point here is an example :
A debate between men and women. Look how they use statistics. It's very different.
It's not because Cassie Campbell sucks that women don't have her place in hockey. In the next few years, I believe you'll see more of "us" in your television saying how good the Habs are because of their speed and skills
I think there should be more women around hockey. In RDS and most place it's only men. Women have a different point of view then men. This is cliche, but let see an example :
Men bring statistics to prove their point, while women doesn't. For a men statistics make their point stronger while for women statistics can means anythings you want them to mean. So statistics doesn't have the same value for men and women. And hockey is a men sport so their is statistics everywhere.
Note : that is in general, their is always mens that think like womens and womens that think like mens.
To prove my point here is an example :
A debate between men and women. Look how they use statistics. It's very different.
I know it's not a hockey debate, but it is the best exemple I know. Yea it's also in french.
In conclusion, I believe to have some women opinion sometime could be good for hockey.
Men already have hard time making games look exciting on TV, do you really think women could do a better job at it? I'm sorry this is like saying adding 3 men to The View would improve the show. Um... no.
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For a men statistics make their point stronger while for women statistics can means anythings you want them to mean. So statistics doesn't have the same value for men and women.
It's not because Cassie Campbell sucks that women don't have her place in hockey. In the next few years, I believe you'll see more of "us" in your television saying how good the Habs are because of their speed and skills
Cassie Campbell is waaaay too monotone for my taste, but I'm sure there are women who could do her job really well. Maybe if a few women retire from the Canadian team after the next Olympics we'll get to see some of them given a chance.
Well, I don't mind anyone as long as they are intelligent, and to be honest, women are better at being intelligent than men.
Still, there aren't many women around hockey, I don't know why, they're free to come in any hockey buisness, maybe they're not really interested by it.
As i always said for hockey players for the Montreal Canadiens. You take the best not the guy that speaks your language or come from a part of the world that you like more then the other. Same with the woman in hockey. If tey are better then man, bring them up, if not stick with the man. It would be the same if it was only woman and a man would try to get on.
Take the ebst panel whether they are man or woman.
Just watch CBC on a Saturday night and all Cassie Campell does is re-iterate what's already been said 20 times, or she gets told an update by someone.
Not too take anything away from women, but how many people want to hear "Ovechkin is good" Vs "Ovechkin is good, because [insert statistics here.]"
Hockey is a game of statistics, so if anyone is going to say something, they need to be able to back it up.
Or, did I take your post completely out of context?
I don't get HNIC that much down here on Center Ice, but I caught a game with Cassie a couple weeks ago. She's improved tremendously. She just needs time and experience.
What I dont like about all this is you say : There should be more women around hockey.
1st: Theres more men interest in Hockey than women and plz dont debate on that , so its normal theres more men.
2nd: Saying there should be more women is a kind of discrimination.Because you need more women youll put a women out there who can steal a man job even if hes better *because there should be more women*.
3rd:For the commentators , women voices are not made to describe hockey.It is more annoying for some reasons even if the women is a good commentator.It is a fact and thats the way it is.No macho opinion here , just a fact.People dont want that except very few.
4th:Its still a man world , no matter what you say.Women can be include , but never 50-50.Its non-sense.From all the people who play hockey on earth , it is 50-50 girl-boy ? From all the people who watch and follow hockey , it is 50-50 girl-boy ? NO.
Just watch CBC on a Saturday night and all Cassie Campell does is re-iterate what's already been said 20 times, or she gets told an update by someone.
Not too take anything away from women, but how many people want to hear "Ovechkin is good" Vs "Ovechkin is good, because [insert statistics here.]"
Hockey is a game of statistics, so if anyone is going to say something, they need to be able to back it up.
Or, did I take your post completely out of context?
The point is women women have a different point of view. Stats are an example of why they are different. So to interview or make a women an analyst would be good imo. It brings something different. NOt that they are better just different.
Check the debate I liked, you'll see. Even the women who animate the debate doesn't want to hear about stats at the end.
It might be obvious, but I don't think anyone should be hired because they're male OR female - they should be hired because they are good. I know the real world doesn't do this well, but that is how we should at least aspire to be.
That said, my brother is torn on watching hockey with his wife and I: yes, he has intelligent, hockey-informed people with whom to watch the game, but the flip side is that he has to listen to us go on about the players. He has come to terms with it, though, and as he put it: "If this was beach volleyball, I would be the same way, so I guess it makes sense."
It might be obvious, but I don't think anyone should be hired because they're male OR female - they should be hired because they are good. I know the real world doesn't do this well, but that is how we should at least aspire to be.
I do beleive on TV that male/female is a criteria because the image is the most important thing on TV.
Maybe if there were more women like those holding up the signs in the game versus New Jersey .
In all seriousness, I think it is time that women are recognized in hockey. Specifically, the Hall needs to induct women such as Danielle Goyette and Cammi Granato to recognize their importance to the development of women's hockey. As for commentators, I think we will slowly see more of them in the future. We are seeing more of them on the sports journalism side. It will probably seep into the commentators booth in time.
To me, it reminds of another male dominated area of society, heavy metal music. Over the last 10 years their has been a proliferation of women singers and other bands members in the genre.
It's not because Cassie Campbell sucks that women don't have her place in hockey. In the next few years, I believe you'll see more of "us" in your television saying how good the Habs are because of their speed and skills
I've been wondering about that lately. It's clear that the trend right now for teenage/young adults girls is to fallow hockey, if you want to be cool (and we all know HS is about been cool). In Montreal (and the rest of the province I would guess), the Canadiens have took the place of the Backstreet boys, N*sync, Simple plan or other boys band in the hear of those girls. The question is, how strong is this trend.
We saw the same thing with the Alouettes a few years ago (it was more the early twenties) and the trend died as soon as they started to loose. (one could argue that Montreal seems to be on the way up...)
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It might be obvious, but I don't think anyone should be hired because they're male OR female - they should be hired because they are good. I know the real world doesn't do this well, but that is how we should at least aspire to be.
True. I've played hockey with some ladies that know more about hockey then most men. But sadly, jobs in the media department are not awarded on competences but on ratings.
Cassie Campbell is waaaay too monotone for my taste, but I'm sure there are women who could do her job really well. Maybe if a few women retire from the Canadian team after the next Olympics we'll get to see some of them given a chance.
He has come to terms with it, though, and as he put it: "If this was beach volleyball, I would be the same way, so I guess it makes sense."
