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Top 25 Montreal Canadiens of all time: #6 (Tie-Breaker)

View Poll Results: Which of these hockey players has been the best while playing with the Habs?
Jacques Plante 65 67.01%
Patrick Roy 32 32.99%
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03-10-2008, 09:27 PM
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Top 25 Montreal Canadiens of all time: #6 (Tie-Breaker)

5% or less separated Jacques Plante and Patrick Roy for the number 6 position on our list. This thread have been created to separate them. The winner will take the #6 position while the other player will be back on the list for poll #7.

This poll will run for 24 hours. Feel free to look back at the other thread before voting: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=489677



Out of this list, which of these hockey players has been the best while playing with the Montreal Canadiens?

Please, only take into consideration the time they played for the Montreal Canadiens. For example, while being great hockey players, Rod Langway and Tony Esposito are excluded from this list as they only played a handful of game with the Habs. Moreover, you should take note that players like Chris Chelios and Patrick Roy, while worthy of considerations, only played part of their career in Montreal. While their legacy outside Montreal is undeniable, you should focus your attention on what they have accomplished in the Canadiens sweater. At last, any skaters who've played for the Canadiens in the pre-NHL ERA (1909-1917) are included.

Only poster with a least a little knowledge about these players should give their vote. Anyone who don't have a clue about any of the players mentioned should enjoy the show, read and learn about these players, but not cast their vote.

In every poll, I will add a little text plus statistics on every players to refresh memories.

Every fans of every boards are welcome to give their opinions. Discussion and opinions are greatly encourage and are a must to make this list a success.

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#1 JACQUES PLANTE

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If not the best goalie of all time, Jacques Plante was certainly the most important - the man who introduced the art of modern goaltending to the NHL and whose influence is seen every night a game is played. "Jake the Snake" was born in Shawinigan Falls, Quebec, and from the time he started playing, his destiny was to play for the Montreal Canadiens.
All-Time Montreal Canadiens Statistics

Jacques Plante
Regular Season
Game PlayedWinsLostsTiesShutoutsGAASV% 
556314133107582.23  
Playoff
Game PlayedWinsLostsTiesShutoutsGAASV% 
905928 162.17  
  • 11 seasons with the Montreal Canadiens
  • 1st All-Time among goaltenders in wins
  • 2nd All-Time among goaltenders in shutouts
  • 2nd All-Time among goaltenders in Goals Against Average
  • 6 Stanley Cup (1953, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960)
  • Hart Memorial Trophy (1962)
  • Vezina Trophy (1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1962)
  • First All-Star Team Goalie (1956, 1959, 1962)
  • Second All-Star Team Goalie (1957, 1958, 1960)
  • Inducted into the Hall of Fame (1978)
  • Number Retired (1995)

http://canadiens.nhl.com/history/retired/plante.htm
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#33 PATRICK ROY

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Patrick Roy was the first wave of the new breed of goaltenders to emerge from Quebec, helping establish that province as the dominant training ground for that position. Confident and quirky, Patrick developed a style that saw him become the winningest goaltender in the history of the National Hockey League.
All-Time Montreal Canadiens Statistics

Patrick Roy
Regular Season
Game PlayedWinsLostsTiesShutoutsGAASV% 
55128917566292.78  
Playoff
Game PlayedWinsLostsTiesShutoutsGAASV% 
1147042 52.46  
  • 13 seasons with the Montreal Canadiens
  • 2nd All-Time among goaltenders in wins
  • 5th All-Time among goaltenders in shutouts
  • 2 Stanley Cup (1986, 1993)
  • Conn Smythe Trophy (1986, 1993)
  • Vezina Trophy (1989, 1990, 1992)
  • William M. Jennings Trophy (1987, 1988, 1989, 1992)
  • NHL First All-Star Team (1989, 1990, 1992)
  • NHL Second All-Star Team (1988, 1991)
  • Inducted into the Hall of Fame (2006)

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My vote still goes to the greatest goaltender of All-Time: Jacques Plante


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My vote goes to Plante but I just have a question. Why some people on the other thread said that Roy should be less considered because he didn't play alot for us? He played more than Plante..

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Plante. How it was even close is beyond me.

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My vote goes to Plante but I just have a question. Why some people on the other thread said that Roy should be less considered because he didn't play alot for us? He played more than Plante..
You're right. Probably what the other meant is that his accomplishment outside Montreal shouldn't be taken into consideration. We do not compare entire carrers but only the time they played in Montreal.

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Plante by a fair margin. And I love Patrick.

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Not much of a tie breaker right now wow.

Plante FTW.

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You're right. Probably what the other meant is that his accomplishment outside Montreal shouldn't be taken into consideration. We do not compare entire carrers but only the time they played in Montreal.
Oh maybe that's what they meant. In that way I totally agree.I was just confuse because I thought they said he didn't play as much.

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Plante gets an honourable mention on my top 5, Roy tops it.

1-Patrick Roy
2-Vladislav Tretiak
3-Dominik Hasek
4-Billy Smith
5-Pelle Lindbergh

Honourable mention: Terry Sawchuk, Jacques Plante, Martin Brodeur.

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Plante gets an honourable mention on my top 5, Roy tops it.

1-Patrick Roy
2-Vladislav Tretiak
3-Dominik Hasek
4-Billy Smith
5-Pelle Lindbergh

Honourable mention: Terry Sawchuk, Jacques Plante, Martin Brodeur.
This is Habs only..
And Roy 1st all-time?

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I think Plante will get nearly every vote that went to someone other than these two in the original poll... that should give him a fair margin of victory....

Roy is no lock for number 7 either.... If a fair margin of the older posters who voted for plante get behind one guy and don't split the vote between Pocket Rocket, Big Bird and Dryden then Roy will lose again.... He really doesn't deserve a spot in the top ten; but younger fans who don't know about the greats will vote for him...

I'm by no means old... I grew up with Patrick Roy, his 1988-1989 season was the reason I became a Habs fan, that was the first year i watched hockey and I fell in love with the dominance he showed that year. But I've researched the history and he's not top ten IMO..

I'm voting Plante here... and Robinson for number 7... Pocket Rocket, Courneyor, Dryden i need to decide on an order for after that.

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The loser should just be #7.. they blew the competition out of the water in the last poll.

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Plante gets an honourable mention on my top 5, Roy tops it.

1-Patrick Roy
2-Vladislav Tretiak
3-Dominik Hasek
4-Billy Smith
5-Pelle Lindbergh

Honourable mention: Terry Sawchuk, Jacques Plante, Martin Brodeur.
Wow... have you seen any of the pre 80s goalies?? Roy you can make a case for at number 1, maybe Hasek too (if you really wanna stretch it) but the other 3 at this top 5.

Tretiak is hard to rank cause we never saw him in the NHL.

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This is Habs only..
And Roy 1st all-time?
I'm aware. And yes.

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The loser should just be #7.. they blew the competition out of the water in the last poll.
No, like beaker said, the people who voted Plante now wont necessarily vote for Roy.

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Plante gets an honourable mention on my top 5, Roy tops it.

1-Patrick Roy
2-Vladislav Tretiak
3-Dominik Hasek
4-Billy Smith
5-Pelle Lindbergh

Honourable mention: Terry Sawchuk, Jacques Plante, Martin Brodeur.
Pelle Lindbergh played two season in the NHL,m and he's the fifth best goaltender of all-time?

My personnal list goes like this:

1- Jacques Plante
2- Patrick Roy
3- Terry Sawchuk
4- Dominik Hasek
5- Glenn Hall
6- Martin Brodeur
7- Ken Dryden
8- Turk Broda
9- Bill Durnan
10- Bernard Parent

Roy, Sawchuk and Hasek are the hardest to rank. I could shuffle them and put them in different order and it would still make sense to me.

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No, like beaker said, the people who voted Plante now wont necessarily vote for Roy.
You're right, that's why I decided to put the loser back with the other. Roy isn't my next selection and I feel the majority of people who voted for Plante are in the same situation than I.

Also, It's not like we had a deadline.

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Pelle Lindbergh played two season in the NHL,m and he's the fifth best goaltender of all-time?

My personnal list goes like this:

1- Jacques Plante
2- Patrick Roy
3- Terry Sawchuk
4- Dominik Hasek
5- Glenn Hall
6- Martin Brodeur
7- Ken Dryden
8- Turk Broda
9- Bill Durnan
10- Bernard Parent
Lindbergh was sick. It's a shame what happened to him.

And it's hard to argue these lists. Everyone has their favourites, and value different things. For goalies, I like competitiveness, intimidation and winning when it counts.

Your list is solid.

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Plante gets an honourable mention on my top 5, Roy tops it.

1-Patrick Roy
2-Vladislav Tretiak
3-Dominik Hasek
4-Billy Smith
5-Pelle Lindbergh

Honourable mention: Terry Sawchuk, Jacques Plante, Martin Brodeur.
All three of your honorable mentions should be ahead of all 5 on your list, IMO. Billy Smith??? 'Cause he scored a goal? Lindbergh?? I got his rookie card when it came out 'cause I loved the guy from the start (we lost him too early, RIP), but come on. And as much as I love Patrick (my "inspiration" for becoming a goalie), I have a hard time ranking him after Hasek, who has more Harts and Vezinas than Brodeur and just ridiculous lifetime numbers. Tretiak... well, he had reputation. Would have been nice to see how his game would have translated to the NHL, but of course we never got to see it.

Rating the best is WAAAAY different from rating your favourites.

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All three of your honorable mentions should be ahead of all 5 on your list, IMO. Billy Smith??? 'Cause he scored a goal? Lindbergh?? I got his rookie card when it came out 'cause I loved the guy from the start (we lost him too early, RIP), but come on. And as much as I love Patrick (my "inspiration" for becoming a goalie), I have a hard time ranking him after Hasek, who has more Harts and Vezinas than Brodeur and just ridiculous lifetime numbers. Tretiak... well, he had reputation. Would have been nice to see how his game would have translated to the NHL, but of course we never got to see it.

Rating the best is WAAAAY different from rating your favourites.
Yes, I like Billy Smith because he scored a goal...not because he won four Stanley Cups and put the fear of God in his opponents.

And Roy and his measly four Cups are real hard to rank ahead of Hasek and his (snicker) Vezinasand Hart trophies. You must think Peyton Manning and Dan Marino are better Quarterbacks than Tom Brady and Joe Montana.

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This is Plante hands down.

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In another thread a long time ago, we discussed the merits between Brodeur, Hasek and Roy.

We generally agreed that Roy was the best big-game goaltender, Brodeur was the most consistent, and Hasek was the most spectacular.

However, I'd still rate Roy better than the other two all-time, and still have him #1. Brodeur and Hasek are much closer calls, but it's a lot harder to distinguish further ranks after you've nominated a best in anything.

The general difference that I see between Roy, Brodeur and Hasek is that the former two carried their teams to Cup wins, where as Hasek was never able to do so.

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The general difference that I see between Roy, Brodeur and Hasek is that the former two carried their teams to Cup wins, where as Hasek was never able to do so.
In the defense of Hasek, the 86 and 93 Habs were far more superior teams than the 99 Sabres.

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In the defense of Hasek, the 86 and 93 Habs were far more superior teams than the 99 Sabres.
I'll always vote Roy over Hasek.

But he was dynamite in the '99 playoffs.

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In the defense of Hasek, the 86 and 93 Habs were far more superior teams than the 99 Sabres.
With all do respect, I wouldn't say the total team levels were all that different. The 99 Sabres were a phenomenal defensive team. The 86 and 93 Habs were much more "complete" but they did not have the ability to shut teams down the way the Sabres did.

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