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02-02-2004, 09:31 PM
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Gauthier to Montreal speculation out of Calgary

From Bruce Dowbiggin in the Calgary Herald:

http://www.canada.com/search/story.a...6-0c69ec383ae6

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Of course a trade might shake things up. In Montreal, they've been panting for Denis Gauthier/draft pick to the Habs for Niklas Sundstrom/Yanic Perreault. Seems to make sense on hockey grounds. Gauthier's taken permanent resident status in Sutter's doghouse while right-wing Sundstrom was a Sutter favourite back in San Jose for his two-way play.

Problem? Perreault and Sundstrom make $3.7 million between them while Gauthier's tab is around $1.3 million. Sutter's been told he can't add payroll without dumping an equal amount. Even with Perreault an unrestricted FA at year's end, you're still heavy on the Gauthier/Sundstrom equation.

Have to add another pricey body. Craig Conroy. Martin Gelinas. Hmmm . . . would the Habs take on Conroy, who started his career there?

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Unfortunately Dowbiggen's even less reliable than Garrioch, Strachan and Brooks.

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Would the Habs take on Conroy?? IN A HEARTBEAT!!

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I would hope that the Flames wouldn't ditch Conroy or Gelinas. They are key players, plus Perrault sucks.

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And there was another rumour just like this one that came out of Calgary on Saturday... that the deal "had already gone through"... According to these boards, Gauthier's been coming to Montreal for a long time now and yet nothing ever happens.

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True that.

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Unfortunately Dowbiggen's even less reliable than Garrioch, Strachan and Brooks.
Not very familiar with the guy, but i figured i would throw it out there...

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Some people need comprehension skills.

If you actually bother to read the article, Dowbiggin states that the rumour is coming out of Montreal. He goes on to say that the deal is unlikely due to the lopsided salary exchange. He then throws in Craig Conroy's name.

The piece is neither rumour-mongering nor speculation.

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But, the article also says that Sudstrom/Perrault for Gauthier would make sense on hockey terms, and it clearly would not. Both of those Hab players have little to no trade value, and Gauthier is a valuable trade chip.

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But, the article also says that Sudstrom/Perrault for Gauthier would make sense on hockey terms, and it clearly would not. Both of those Hab players have little to no trade value, and Gauthier is a valuable trade chip.
sundstrom no trade value ... you are pushing it very hard ... if he has no trade value then he still has a very good value for our team!! NO TRADE

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sundstrom no trade value ... you are pushing it very hard ... if he has no trade value then he still has a very good value for our team!! NO TRADE
Congragulations to Kryoptix on his 1'500th post!

Yeah, seriously though, you can keep Gauthier. He really doesn't fullfill a need in Montreal.

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Have to add another pricey body. Craig Conroy. Martin Gelinas. Hmmm . . . would the Habs take on Conroy, who started his career there?
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Would the Habs take on Craig Conroy? Wow, what a punishment for making a deal! Get the two best players in the deal AND dump a bunch of unwanted salary. Espesially when you add in the fact that Conroy's contract is up at the end of the year and there is no contract to carry next season. Wow! Where do we sign???

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sundstrom no trade value ... you are pushing it very hard ... if he has no trade value then he still has a very good value for our team!! NO TRADE

The Isles have a few players (like Czerkawski) who have no trade value, but still have value to the team. That is not really all that unusual.

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sundstrom no trade value ... you are pushing it very hard ... if he has no trade value then he still has a very good value for our team!! NO TRADE
Absolutely. We'll keep Gauthier in Calgary unless we can get a more attractive package elsewhere, thank you.

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Stop with your "Perreault suck". He is not the best player to watch in the NHL but he is a sniper and he can score alot. He is a 2nd line center.
He does play with the canadiens right now because we have 2 top center and we need a checking line and a defencive line.

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Stop with your "Perreault suck". He is not the best player to watch in the NHL but he is a sniper and he can score alot. He is a 2nd line center.
He does play with the canadiens right now because we have 2 top center and we need a checking line and a defencive line.
Calling Perreault a 2nd line center is highly debatable right now. The guy isn't a second line center on the majority of NHL clubs IMO.

That issue aside, a 32 year old skilled center who lacks size and skating ability isn't going to bring back much in a trade. Nevermind the fact that he makes 2.8 million and is an impending UFA.

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Calling Perreault a 2nd line center is highly debatable right now. The guy isn't a second line center on the majority of NHL clubs IMO.

That issue aside, a 32 year old skilled center who lacks size and skating ability isn't going to bring back much in a trade. Nevermind the fact that he makes 2.8 million and is an impending UFA.
He was to make 2.8 million for the whole season, most has been handed now... he'd be a rental. Would it make sense to trade a young asset like Gauthier for a rental? I don't think so... but I hope Sutter does.

As for Sundström, Darth, I'm pretty sure he has some value around the league. Much more than Chow anyway...

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Some people need comprehension skills.

If you actually bother to read the article, Dowbiggin states that the rumour is coming out of Montreal. He goes on to say that the deal is unlikely due to the lopsided salary exchange. He then throws in Craig Conroy's name.

The piece is neither rumour-mongering nor speculation.
Uneven salary? Flames pick up two pending ufas, and one fo which is having most of his salary paid by the Sharks anyways.

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He was to make 2.8 million for the whole season, most has been handed now... he'd be a rental. Would it make sense to trade a young asset like Gauthier for a rental? I don't think so... but I hope Sutter does.
That's a good point about the 2.8 for the whole season.

The basis of my argument was exactly what you stated: Would you give up a "fairly" young asset for a pending UFA 32 year old center?

Like him or not, Gauthier's an asset. Add in the fact that Perreault would likely be the Flames 4th line center behind Conroy, Reinprecht and Yelle... moving Gauthier for Perreault makes no sense.

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Like him or not, Gauthier's an asset. Add in the fact that Perreault would likely be the Flames 4th line center behind Conroy, Reinprecht and Yelle... moving Gauthier for Perreault makes no sense.
Replace Reinprecht for McAmmond and that would be an accurate assesment.

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Replace Reinprecht for McAmmond and that would be an accurate assesment.
McAmmond is not a natural center, whereas Reinprecht is (though he can play wing). McAmmond has only played center due to injury reasons -- and with Conroy, Reinprecht, and Lombardi all healthy he will likely be moved back to LW. The only delay in this would be attributed to Sutter wanting to keep lines with chemistry together.

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