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03-09-2008, 10:40 PM
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Why I support Grabovski:

-I've watched a few Dogs games throughout the season. When he wasn't there or was injured their offense has been totally impotent.

-When he was demoted to Hamilton early in the season (before his injury) I already saw a drastic change in Hamilton's attack. Bottom line: he makes things happen.

-Take away the 2 Kostitsyn and Grabovski and Hamilton becomes a team of defensive-forwards and pluggers.

-The two exceptions are Locke and D'Agostini which have not been overly impressive this season. Locke has nice hands, Latendresse's speed but is 5 inches shorter and 60 pounds lighter. I still have some hope for D'Agostini but lets not expect him to be an offensive spark right now at the NHL level.

-I still have lots of optimism regarding some offensive prospects in Montreal's system but they're all at the Junior or NCAA level right now.

-If we do any damage in the playoffs and one or more of our top 6 guys go down with an injury (experience has shown it's a likely occurence), Grabovski's the only guy ready as we speak to plug that type of hole.

-If Grabovski's goes for any reason, we take a serious hit in our depth this season.

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Who taught you math?
You haven't seen Wade Belak's segment on sportsnet i figure.

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03-09-2008, 11:17 PM
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I would be really impressed if that guy can notch 50 points... let's see how he goes...
at the age of 24 , he should be able to rack up more than 40 pts a year... given his style... and his speed.

I think he could do it with the ''right'' wingers...

we didn't let him play enough... he suffered from that ... thats for sure...


s.kos = 20 , a.kos = 22 ... > grabovski = 24


I'd give him a shot with lats and ryder again.... might have a fit there.

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03-09-2008, 11:23 PM
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Grabovski=Datsyuk
are you serious?



Datsyuk is at worst, a top-15 forward in the league.

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Frankly, I believe he would have put up 40 points this season had he stayed up. He's been dangerous so far since being recalled, and if you can control his matchups he'll be really good depth. 2nd line talent no doubt, but he's still got problems on faceoffs against elite defensive specialists (as demonstrated by going 1-9 against Pahlsson tonight).

I love it when he gets the puck though. He makes stuff happen.

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03-09-2008, 11:56 PM
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We played against arguably the best defence in the league. Grabo used his speed and skill to his advantage on a least 3 plays where it gave us a good scoring chance.

Even the Grabovski haters will admit it was impressive to see him deploy his speed from center ice on the Kovalev goal, Neidermayer (possibly the best D in the league) had no chance of catching him.

I'm biased here in my opinion, I really love that little guy.

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03-10-2008, 12:28 AM
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Indeed, I must admit he played a very good game tonight, probably the 2nd best in his career (the best being against the Rangers, when he first got recalled, last year, and Lundqvist robbed him his first NHL goal). But that's pretty much it. I wouldn't say he's young, I'm just gonna stick with "He's not old", but he's late in his development compared to our other youngsters. He's only put up 2 good games so far in the 20~ he played in. Didn't convince me yet.

Although I'd obviously like him to prove me wrong, I don't think it's going to happen. If he doesn't crack up the lineup next year, he's gonna pull a Perezhogin.

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03-10-2008, 12:31 AM
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I believe he could reach 70 pts +/- 20-50
He still has a lot of things to improve, but if he gets there he ll look really good.

I dont understand people saying he has no vision, that s his best asset with his speed.

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03-10-2008, 12:59 AM
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His ceiling is a the second line edition of Datsyuk IMO. Same type of player but he won't reach his level, ever. I can see him do that only if he works very hard in the gym because his strenght is way too low for the NHL. If he works hard this summer, he could amaze a lot of people next year. I hope he is motivated... If not he will remain an average NHLer, a Star AHLer or a very good RSLer.

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I was looking through the older posts on these boards, and a lot of people are saying now what people said about Pleks his first season (same age as Grabo) and before.

They have the same size (height-wise), speed (I find Grabo faster though) and skill set (we'll see). A lot of people thought he'd (Pleks) never really make it, but he's now our #1 center. I don't see why Grabovski can't pull the same kind of thing; if he adds maybe 15 pounds, he'll be the same size as Pleky.

I think we'll all be pleasantly surprised next season if Grabo stays, he could be a hell of a hockey player in this league. What will do after Koivu leaves (one year left on his current contract)? I know Grabo's small, but if he can get the job done...

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His ceiling is a the second line edition of Datsyuk IMO. Same type of player but he won't reach his level, ever. I can see him do that only if he works very hard in the gym because his strenght is way too low for the NHL. If he works hard this summer, he could amaze a lot of people next year. I hope he is motivated... If not he will remain an average NHLer, a Star AHLer or a very good RSLer.

How someone can compare Grabovsky to Datsyuk boggles the mind. Datsyuk has great hands and it's hard to get the puck off his stick, Grabovsky loses the puck without someone even knocking it off his stick, that's a huge difference.

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03-10-2008, 06:25 AM
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As much as I want it to happen I don't think Grabs will ever be close to Datsyuk, IMO a more proper comparaison would be a more consistent Maxim Afinogenov, and that's top end ceiling here, on a more realistic approach I see him as an improved version of Oleg Petrov.

So something along 15-20g 20-30 assists a season.


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03-10-2008, 07:11 AM
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Who taught you math?
Oh come on.... No one saw the Wade Belak interview last season... I beleive that's what he was quoting...

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Completely different players.... Grabo can fly and does things at high spee.... Wellwood is a below average skater.
Additionally, while I don't know about Grabs off season work-out schedule, but I do know that Wellwood's dad claims Kyle does not work-out during the summer, and I suspect this is the reason for his sports hearnia problems.

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30g, 40assist, 100 points.
I lol'd when I read that..

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WTF?
I tried to find a picture of a low ceiling and this pic:



would have been perfect but ceiling was spelled wrong, so I choose the second best.

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I tried to find a picture of a low ceiling and this pic:



would have been perfect but ceiling was spelled wrong, so I choose the second best.
Sometimes Google doesn't come through... had tonnes of Duck Hunt stuff that I was raring to use if we won today though.

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30g, 40assist, 100 points.
But only if he gives a 110%.

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But only if he gives a 110%.

You means 143%

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??? opinions?
depth player only

He doenst have the jam to be a top 2 center, skill isn`t eveything . At his size , we have 3 small centers, cant have that. He isnt good enough to play second line minutes , not a natural playmaker. Works hard , but every team has one in the system , like Marty Muarray used to be , and never plays regulalry.

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30g, 40assist, 100 points.
Where do the other 30 points come from?

I figure he could reach 70-80 pts if ever paired with brothers

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Wellwood has his ups and downs, and I think, realistically, that's the type of career Grabs will have.
Agree, the problem with Grabs is that he makes a below average 2nd line center and dosn't bring what teams usually look for in a third liner. Therefore probably will be a replacement/occasionnal 2nd liner and the rest of the time will fight for a place on the team... if he gets traded to a rebuilding team he might have a chance for a decent career... but due to age and development stage... nothing to get overexited here IMHO


Like others I beg to be prooved wrong here

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