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02-02-2004, 11:49 PM
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Montreal Divided?? Good read!

I found this on "HABS WORLD"
Didn't know about this, interesting.

Montreal Divided
Posted by Colin Prichett (02-02 18:35)

There seems to be a schism developing in Montreal regarding the Canadiens, despite the fact the team is playing well above early projections.* That there is such a division is testament to the talent on the team and the optimism surrounding the club.* Unfortunately, itís come to a point where fans have stopped seeing the game as a whole and are instead concentrating on how the two individuals, around which the dispute is centred, fare on the ice.
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Saku Koivu has been the centrepiece in the Montreal offence for many years now.* Despite injuries and his battle with cancer, heís led the club on and off the ice for much of the time since Rejean Houle dismantled a once strong team.* Heís a superior talent, an inspirational leader, and the Canadiens captain and, as such, garners a lot of respect from many fans.*
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Mike Ribeiro, in his first full season with the Habs, is leading the Canadiens in scoring, and is incredibly popular with the younger fans.* Heís got an impressive array of skills and his potential seems very high, leading many to believe heís a potential superstar.
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The talent debate between the two players is only the beginning of the divide amongst the fans.* In fact, it goes much deeper than that.* There are so many issues surrounding these two that for many, the exploits of Jose Theodore and Sheldon Souray have taken a back seat, despite both having wonderful seasons.
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Probably the basis and origin of the conflict lies with the continual language issues surrounding the club.* Koivu doesnít know French and was a controversial pick as captain for this very reason.* Many of the Montreal media complained vehemently that the Quebec club was not going to be represented properly to the French fans.* That heís a competent captain and strong leader meant nothing to them Ė nor did the fact that it was a vote amongst players who chose him.
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Ribeiro, on the other hand, is a well-spoken young man who is fluent in both languages, and therefore gets plenty of coverage amongst the French media.* In fact, heís become a media darling amongst those covering the Canadiens in Quebec* Not since Guy Lafleur has there been a French kid with so much talent playing for the home side, and, understandably, the media have taken hold with both hands with the effort to promote him.
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Most frustrating for those fans not in Quebec who have to watch the games on RDS, the station that has the rights to broadcast every Canadiens game, is that, while Koivu seems to struggle for respect despite carrying the team for many years and still being an extremely talented player and leader, suddenly Ribeiro is everywhere in the French media and many have placed him ahead of Koivu as best, and most important, on the team.* Rightly or wrongly, itís a frustrating slight to the team leader who still produces at the equivalent pace of the younger Ribeiro and is used in many more situations.
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If it ended there, most would probably disregard the situation, but from many insider reports, it runs much deeper within the Montreal organization itself.* There are reports of cliques within the team, and in fact it was said those cliques were a major reason for the downfall of the Habs last year.* Craig Rivet, best friend of Koivu and many of the elder statesmen on the team form one side and Ribeiro and his best buddy Jose Theodore constitute the centre of the other, with many of the younger members ostensibly joining with this side.
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While Claude Julien has done an admirable job in minimizing the impact of these supposed cliques, you can quite clearly see elements of them during a hockey game.* When the Koivu and Ribeiro are on the ice together and one scores a goal, both barely acknowledge the other when the team gathers to offer congratulations.* If one is on the bench and the other scores, while there is a touch of gloves, most often the faces are stoic and the looks anywhere but at each other.
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One could call this a jealousy issue.* Koivu is feeling his control of the team usurped by the younger and more flamboyant Ribeiro who panders to the media and is much loved in the home province where the team resides.* Ribeiro is out there to prove himself; that he is good enough to play the game and deserves the accolades that Koivu has received for so long.*
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That this rivalry spills over to the fans is almost childish.* Now, instead of cheering on the Habs for victory, they mumble when one makes an error and the other scores.* Objectivity and fan pride has turned to arguments and bitterness.* Instead of being pleased the Habs have two centres who can produce at a fairly substantial rate, there are constant tirades against one or the other and how each could do something differently to be better.
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The funny thing is, the two are very different players and their different styles leave the Habs with two great elements to work with. *Koivu is an energy player whose all-round game has improved dramatically this season with his inclusion on the penalty kill and at critical times during the game.* Ribeiro plays a deception game and supplements that with ultra-slick passing while continually improving his defence.
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The biggest difference between the two is experience.* Koivu generally knows when to make a play, how others work, and how to get the most out of others.* Ribeiro is still in the learning stage and makes mistakes.* In fact, his biggest drawback is his inability to grasp two issues:* the team game and the intensity factor.* He occasionally takes shifts off, as most young players are wont to do, and he occasionally stays out far too long on his shifts instead of sticking to the system Julien has in place.
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So, who is the better player?* You canít answer that question since they play two different games.* You can ask who youíd rather have on your team, but again, that depends on the composition of your club and where each could fit in.* The major problem with the two is size; both are sub-six feet.* Now, Koivu tends to play much larger than he is, but Ribeiro negates his size deficiency fairly well at times by using good positioning Ė and that will only get better with experience and age.
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The ultimate question, though, is whether or not the Habs can compete for a Cup with these two as front line centres.* Simply, time will tell.* It will be vital to surround them with large and competent wingers, for sure, but thereís no reason to think they canít succeed at bringing a Cup to Montreal.* There are plenty of examples of teams with smaller centres winning: look no further than the Colorado Avalanche.
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The situation in Montreal is actually reminiscent of a similar one that occurred in Detroit not so long ago.* Steve Yzerman, the guy who was the leading scorer and consummate captain for the Wings was suddenly supplanted by Sergei Fedorov as the number one player.* There were rumours that Yzerman wanted out of town and that he was bitterly jealous with the situation.
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Yzerman, though, is the ultimate team guy and carried on his leadership role as a co-number one centre in Detroit.* He was the guy who was out there in all the crucial situations, and yet still a player the team could count on to produce at an almost point-per-game rate Ė sometimes more than Fedorov.*
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Koivu is not a stupid person, and will understand that, while Ribeiro might have the ear of the French media, heís still the captain and leader of the team.* For his part, Ribeiro will shortly come to understand that Koivu makes everyone on this team better, including himself.* Itís probably only a matter of time before the two work out a comfortable coalition and carry the team to bigger and better things.
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Now, if fans in Montreal could just reconcile themselves to this notion, perhaps we could all go about cheering the Habs to victory regardless of who gets the goals and points.* Seems to me thatís a win-win situation for everyone involved.

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Bob Gainey would nip this in the butt for sure!!!

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Crap. A ladies' sewing circle couldn't come up with such gosspiy nonsense. Plus, as long as they are winning, who gives a damn who is friends with whom? Save the Mantle-Marris stuff for when we are below .500 and need a reason to worry about dressing-room politics.

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the way koivu goes montreal goes...... enuff said
if no koivu then ribeiro doesnt have the points he does!!!!
simple as that
and btw ribeiro is not french HES PORTUGUESE!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Not since Guy Lafleur has there been a French kid with so much talent playing for the home side, and, understandably, the media have taken hold with both hands with the effort to promote him.
Now was this author's own angle or was he just reflecting the French media's view. Most talented French kid since Guy Lafleur? Nice combination of hyperbole and selective memory to have a kid of Portuguese blood supplant all the talented French kids in those intervening years - Roy, C. Lemieux, Richer, Damphousse come to mind. :p

All this talk of a so-called rivalry is getting so carried away, and it's disturbing how people still eat it up. I mean really, what organization does not have any sort of politics where everyone gets along marvelously? Sorry, but there is no Shangri-La, Inc. (people, please don't do a corporate name search to try to disprove my point here ). It up to the coaches, management and the players themselves to keep personal feelings in check and do a professional job when it counts. Who gives a damn what goes on behind closed doors and who has dinner with whom and how big a hug is after a goal is scored by one's nemesis. If the team is winning games and the personal differences are not allowed to get out of control, then all's well I say.

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I think this article touches on everything that's ever been discussed here regarding Ribeiro and Koivu. Both are great players, and we can't live with them, 'nor can we live without them.

Link to the article (for those who will probably request a 'source'.)


http://www.habsworld.net/show_big_news.php?id=320


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this is nothing more then gossip, Ribeiro and Koivu are good players, no need to get all the debates back

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Speaking as an ex-patriot, I have heard that the language thing is heating up again in Montreal. This is not the place to ask why, but I don't think it has anything to do with hockey, as per usual.

Ribeiro is a kid, Koivu is a seasoned veteran who has been through many wars (NHL and personal wars). There is no comparison. As far as stickhandling and creativity goes, yeah there is a comparison, but Koivu's skating and strength and his ability to jump off the line and his wrist shot, and his maturity level are light years ahead of Ribs. Koivu's defensive play, while not perfect, is also better than Ribs.

Ribeiro is starting to show that he can be a special player too, but why put this kind of pressure on him? It's a stupid idea.

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i hate when the announcer says mikeys name AFTER HE GETS AN ASSIST!!!!!!!! HES SO TRYING TO MAKE HIS LAST NAME SOUND FRENCH .......... IT MAKES ME LAUGH!!!!


TO ALL FRENCH PPL SURE HES SPEAKS FRENCH CAUSE OF THE LANGUAGE LAW!!! CAUSE HIS DAD IS AN IMIGRANT AND DID NOT GO TO ENGLISH SCHOOL
BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE HE IS PORTUGUESE FIRST!!!!

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Not every player on a team are going to get along or like each other, but if they are true professionals they will learn to play with each other for 60 minutes. What they feel and how they feel can be left off the ice after the game, on the ice is where it counts.

How many players in the NHL have played with people they couldn't stand??? Probably quite a high percentage.

I'm sure there is a jealousy factor to a point for Saku, he is seeing his heir apparent in not only Riberio but Ryder and many other young Habs coming in to replace him and others in the future (it happens to every team). But I see it more of a pride thing because he know he is entering his later years and Ribs is entering his prime years, his maturity is there and I think it shows he would put on a brave face and suck it up to help the team, not hinder it. After all he wants to win just as bad as any other longtime Hab. Starting to lose a grip on being "The Man" is hard for any star on a team, but they cope with it. It's not like Saku is useless, he still has high scoring skills, youth and two way abilities to help this team. He is more polished in all areas of the game than Riberio and is just as much a valuable player to the team as Ribs, after all he is great with Ryder and is helping adjust to the NHL great.

I think people (media, fans) read into this too much. It happens on every team in every Pro sport...Montreal has to exploit it and notice more thats all.

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The is at least on factual error in the article: Ribeiro is not sub-six feet. He's just skinny and looks (and sometimes plays) like a waif. It's not his fault that he's small-boned, just as it's not Koivu's fault that he's 5'10". The important thing is their performance. Both produce much more than the massive Kilger, who was a very high first round draft choice.

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good read ? are you kidding me ? This is BS ....

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Not since Guy Lafleur has there been a French kid with so much talent playing for the home side, and, understandably, the media have taken hold with both hands with the effort to promote him.
Yeah right ...

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Originally Posted by rib71
i hate when the announcer says mikeys name AFTER HE GETS AN ASSIST!!!!!!!! HES SO TRYING TO MAKE HIS LAST NAME SOUND FRENCH .......... IT MAKES ME LAUGH!!!!


TO ALL FRENCH PPL SURE HES SPEAKS FRENCH CAUSE OF THE LANGUAGE LAW!!! CAUSE HIS DAD IS AN IMIGRANT AND DID NOT GO TO ENGLISH SCHOOL
BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE HE IS PORTUGUESE FIRST!!!!
Haha ok calm down he is born in Quebec so hes a quebecois.His parents are from portugal not him so hes a french canadian with portuguese blood.

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Not since Guy Lafleur has there been a French kid with so much talent playing for the home side, and, understandably, the media have taken hold with both hands with the effort to promote him.

Stephane Richer was and is the best French Goal scorer in Montreal since Lafleur...IMO Riberio and Richer cannot and should not even be compaired to him! if we had a Lafleur clone on this team he would be dominating the league a little more so than Mr.Riberio does every night. The Montreal media (particullarly the French media) go over board on French-Canadian kids with talent, imagine the hype if Lecalvier was a HAB?

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Haha ok calm down he is born in Quebec so hes a quebecois.His parents are from portugal not him so hes a french canadian with portuguese blood.
[QUOTE]if he went to an english speaking school no one would be callin him a quebecois

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i hate when the announcer says mikeys name AFTER HE GETS AN ASSIST!!!!!!!! HES SO TRYING TO MAKE HIS LAST NAME SOUND FRENCH .......... IT MAKES ME LAUGH!!!!


TO ALL FRENCH PPL SURE HES SPEAKS FRENCH CAUSE OF THE LANGUAGE LAW!!! CAUSE HIS DAD IS AN IMIGRANT AND DID NOT GO TO ENGLISH SCHOOL
BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE HE IS PORTUGUESE FIRST!!!!
Man he is a home town kid what do you expect from the announcers...my dad was born in England and moved here, and I was born in Canada. I am CANADIAN first not English! So IMO Ribeiro is Quebecois before Portuguese.

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Originally Posted by rib71
i hate when the announcer says mikeys name AFTER HE GETS AN ASSIST!!!!!!!! HES SO TRYING TO MAKE HIS LAST NAME SOUND FRENCH .......... IT MAKES ME LAUGH!!!!


TO ALL FRENCH PPL SURE HES SPEAKS FRENCH CAUSE OF THE LANGUAGE LAW!!! CAUSE HIS DAD IS AN IMIGRANT AND DID NOT GO TO ENGLISH SCHOOL
BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE HE IS PORTUGUESE FIRST!!!!
a friend of mine is portuguese and he went to the english school...i think that your post is a stupid political point that only shows your close mind...

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if he went to an english speaking school no one would be callin him a quebecois
poor guy ...

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Portuguese nationalism? I didn't know such a thing existed... *confused*

The problem we face right now, in my so totally not humble opinion, is that there are too many journalists that are making a living by following the activities of the Habs. As a result, each of these otherwise professionals need to write controversial articles in order to separate themselves from the rest of the pack, and gain new readers. With the result that each 1 day or 2 brings a new unhappy player, a controversy, a the-coach-should-be-fired-now desperate cry, or an attempt to get rid of a player that hasn't played well for a few games or is having a cold relationship with the medias.

The Habs' players probably go along very well. Maybe does my personal experience flaw my perspective; I have never been able to not get along with anyone. But, how could adults living very well and playing on a little-better-than-average team would suddenly start hating each other and developping absurd rivalries is beyond me.

Either sheer stupidity or, most likely, searching problems where there aren't in order to sell newspapers.

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The problem we face right now, in my so totally not humble opinion, is that there are too many journalists that are making a living by following the activities of the Habs.
Yeah and some of them have covered the nords for so long and are so bitter about them leaving that they transpose their hatred on the habs (cough bergeron cough villeneuve cough that's it my throat is sore) ...

I wish the nords were back...

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Trust me he's Portuguese first and Quebecquois second! Europeans (like myself) keep our heritage very close to our hearts. Just because he's born in Quebec doesn't make him a frenchman! Blood is thicker then water my friends and always will be.
Sorry dude speak for yourself. I was born in Europe and I love it, but i am first Canadian, European second.

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Trust me he's Portuguese first and Quebecquois second! Europeans (like myself) keep our heritage very close to our hearts. Just because he's born in Quebec doesn't make him a frenchman! Blood is thicker then water my friends and always will be.
You know Ribeiro personnaly ?

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Just to poke fun at this "article".....

Besides the actual point of this article (stoking the fire)....one thing struck me in the article....the author says that Ribs is well spoken. Compared to who? Please. Not many hockey players are well spoken, and god knows Mike is one of those cliche mumbling types.

Scott Neidermeyer, ok. Martin St. Louis, ok. But Mike Ribs, well spoken?

We love when Mike dangles the puck, but don't ask him to explain the Art of War.

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what did they used to say about the Red Sox a few years back, '25 players,25 cabs" There are cliques, how could there not be. A bunch of guys making different ammounts of money, with different lifestyles, from different backgrounds, what would you expect. They play as a team this year, that's what matters.

What's new in this thread anyways ? Deandebean posted pretty well the same thing months ago. This isn't a story,it's human nature. Companies that I've worked for get my best effort, but I can be selective about who I go out for a beer at 5 o'clock.

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Absolute crap!

Thw writer of this article along with alot of the Mtl media want badly to make this a story. Reasons I don't believe it:

1. No way in hell do any of the players in the dressing room consider this Ribiero's team. He hasn't even played one full season yet, and he gets proclaimed as some sort of leader???? Like hell. The boys in the dressing room know that Koivu is the leader and if Ribiero even considered himself higher on the ladder than Koivu, I'm sure his teammates would have knocked him down by now.

2. Gainey and/or Julien would of nipped this problem in the butt along time ago (if there was such a problem). I don't think either Gainey or Julien would allow such a problem to fester for a second before interveening.

3. Ribiero isn't stupid. I'm sure he would realize it wouldn't be in his best interest to start something like this or too allow it to happen. The fact that the media suggest it is stupid and I'm sure the players involved would say something, but that would only ignite the flames more.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Imo, one of the biggest problems the Montreal Canadiens as a team have to face is they have maybe the worst media in the frickin world covering them!!!! They make me sick!!!!

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