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02-04-2004, 12:58 AM
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Dynasty

If the NHL ended tonight which of these three teams would most likely be dubbed a dynasty?

NEW JERSEY (1995, 2000, 2003). Three stanley cups and a decade of defensively dominant hockey. Hall of famers including Brodeur, Stevens, Neidermayer, Lemaire, etc.... Changed the legacy of hockey into a defensive-minded game.

DETROIT (1997, 1998, 2002). Three stanley cups and a decade of a brilliant all-round team with amazing experience. Hall of famers include Yzerman, Hasek, Lidstrom, Chelios, Shannahan, Hull, Robitallie, Federov, etc...

COLORADO (1996, 2001). Two stanley cups and nine straight division titles. Offensive powerhouse for nearly 10 years and still going. Hall of famers include Forsberg, Sakic, Roy, Blake, Foote, Bourque, Lacroix, etc....

Which one of the three?

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I'd say New Jersey

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I'd say that Detroit is on on heck of a dynasty.

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I'd say Detroit out of those 3. While NJ is a model of consistency, i'd take the blend of awesome offense and defense that Detroit has provided consistently since 1994. Not to mention that they're the only ones out of those 3 that has won back to back cups, and that amazing 62 win, 130+ pt season Detroit had in 1996.

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Hmmmm, I wonder who I would pick.

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If I have to chose I'd say Detroit but IMO none of those teams are dynasties.

I'd say you'd have to win 3 cups in 3 years or 4 in 5 to be considered a dynasty.

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If I have to chose I'd say Detroit but IMO none of those teams are dynasties.

I'd say you'd have to win 3 cups in 3 years or 4 in 5 to be considered a dynasty.
Ditto.

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The term dynasty and Hall of Famer are once again being labeled way too fast.

Dynasties are the Edmonton Oilers of 1983-84 to 1989-90

They won 5 in a 7 year span.


Dynasties are the Montreal Canadiens 1975-76 to 1978-79

They won 4 consecutive Stanley Cups

Dynasties are the Celtics of 40 years ago,The Bulls in the early nineties, the Lakers of the last decade, etc..

The modern era knows no dynasty. Though the Devs and Wings have been the closest, they are elite and nothing more yet. The Avs even moreso, 2 Cups in 8 years is nothing to get excited about. Nice accomplishment for sure, but a dynasty? Dynasties don't give anything about how many conference title's you've won, or how many times you finished 1st in your division, Dynasties are teams that are consistently the favorite to win it again, and IMO they should succeed at least 3, maybe 4 times in a decade.

And HOF'ers? Foote? Shannahan? Niedermayer?

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If you were going to classify one of those as a "dynasty" I'd say it'd be the Wings based solely upon the level of competition they've sustained over the past few years (minus last year of course) and the concentration in years of the cups they won.

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I'd say The Devils, not only because they beat the Red Wings in the finals but also because, like it or not, they have changed the way hockey is played in this era.

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None.

Someone should post the correct sports definition of "dynasty". Dominate a sport for a decade and/or win several in championships in a row, then the "d" word can be suggested.

Bulls of the 90s
Isles and Oilers of the 80s
49ers of the 80s; Cowboys of the 90s
Yankees of mid 90s through the early part of this decade.

Like most everything else in society (and sports), we've lowered and dumbed down our standards for an individual or team to be considered great.

Wings, Avs and Devils are all superb organizations. But on-ice dynasties? No go.

My defintion: if you have to ask if a team is a dynasty, they're not.


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i would say the montreal canadians
no team aswon more stanley cup then the habs(24)

and they won 5 stanley cup in a row 1956,57,58,59,60
no won tie that record wich it will never be surpass either
and they won 4 in a row 1976,77,78,79

now thats a dynastie for my point of view

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If I had to choose between the three I would definitely pick Detroit, but then again, as someone else said, you are kinda playing a little loosely with the definition of the word.

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Like the word "hero" and "surreal", "dynasty" is a word that's been thrown around as commonly as "the". Almost lost its meaning...

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Bulls of the 90s
Isles and Oilers of the 80s
49ers of the 80s; Cowboys of the 90s
Yankees of mid 90s through the early part of this decade.
*ACKhem*

Steelers of the 70s


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Like the word "hero" and "surreal", "dynasty" is a word that's been thrown around as commonly as "the". Almost lost its meaning...


One can add the words "great" and "cancer" to that list.

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*ACKhem*

Steelers of the 70s

Without question. Canadiens and old Celtic teams as well.

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Like the word "hero" and "surreal", "dynasty" is a word that's been thrown around as commonly as "the". Almost lost its meaning...
I totally agree, it doesn't seem to take that much these days. But with that being said if the Devils or Wings do win it this year then I might have to use the term because that would be four in a decade for both of them and that's impressive.

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guys. read my original post clearly. i didn't say either of the three teams were dynasties.

i said "WHICH TEAM WOULD MOST LIKELY BE DUBBED" one

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A Dynasty is defined as winning 4 cups in 10 years according to the NHL.

The Wings and Devil's can't be called dynasties, but the Wings have the best shot at doing so since its only taken the 5 years to win 3 where Jersey's won 3 in 8.

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The Red Wings have won more games than ANYONE since the 1990-91 season (by about 65 wins more than Jersey), and have won 3 Cups in 6 years. Well, now 7, since they didn't win it last year. If they win it this year they will have 4 Cups in 8 years, along with the most playoff series' wins, etc. If any of the 3 could be labeled a "dynasty" it should be them.

But as several people have pointed out here, the word "dynasty" is being used awfully loosely these days. Think back on the Penguins being called a "dynasty" after their 2nd Cup. What happened?

Colorado should not even be IN this question. A great team, but inconsistant from year to year.

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I think one also has to take into account the fact that a league has changed a lot from the last dynastys. The league has expanded greatly making it a lot harder for teams to get into the playoffs, and also now because of the fact that the style of the game has played it has made it easier for the midely talented teams to win the cup or eliminate the greats when compared to before.

As to the question I think the Wings and Devils are closest to becomming dynastys. The Devils changed the way the game was played, and the Wings (&Avs) played against the grain which deserves praise too. (the won a completely different way). One point for the Devils would be the head to head stanley cup matchup vs Det where they swept the Wings. Both have had problems with getting knocked out early after winning cups too. I think the big push for the Wings is that A) Unlike the Devils they won back to back cups, B) Won 3 in 5 years as opposed to 3 in 8 C) They have had to battle through the harder conference to get to the cup. With all that said I think either team would really need to win another cup in the next season or two ta really be considered a dynasty.

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The Red Wings have won more games than ANYONE since the 1990-91 season (by about 65 wins more than Jersey), and have won 3 Cups in 6 years. Well, now 7, since they didn't win it last year. If they win it this year they will have 4 Cups in 8 years, along with the most playoff series' wins, etc. If any of the 3 could be labeled a "dynasty" it should be them.

But as several people have pointed out here, the word "dynasty" is being used awfully loosely these days. Think back on the Penguins being called a "dynasty" after their 2nd Cup. What happened?

Colorado should not even be IN this question. A great team, but inconsistant from year to year.
Volek happened.

It's a shame too, the '93 team was so much better than either of the cup winning teams.

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If the Devils and Red Wings meet in this year's Final, do you think it will be played up as a series to determine who can be called a dynasty? Both teams would be battling head-to-head for their 4th Cup in under a decade.

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i hate the avs as much as the next person but despite their *only* two cups, they did win nine-straight division titles which is pretty impressive. not only that. their core of sakic, forsberg, blake, foote, tanguay, hejduk et al can still compete for 5 more years whereas detroit doesn't have that benefit and guys like stevens from Nj would've retired too. that is why i put colorado with the other two

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