Where are these bad goals? The game against the Nucks, the only one that was a bad goal was Linden's, Gilbert shot one in on him and they other two were well converted 2 on 1's by the Nucks. Though Roli didn't make a big save that whole game and it was the worst game he's played by far since he got back in the nets.
Against the Avs, the only goal he had even a chance at was Arnason's and I think he should have it and unlike the nucks game he made saves at the end of the game to help keep the lead. As for the other 4, 2 were deflected in by their D and the other 2 were point blank shots from 5 to 10 feet out that were off the post and under the crossbar and no Oiler defender was insight.
Yesterday he played fine made some big saves and the Hill goal was iffy but the other two were deflections. One again knocked in by his D and the other was a perfect deflection off the post that was a screen to boot. You know it is ok every once and awhile to give the goal scorer some credit on making a nice play.
Again, I have not once said he has been great but he has got the job done and he's winning games. Honestly, where many of you guys are coming up with all these "bad goals" he's letting in is baffling to me. I guess the only Roli that will make most of you happy is the one that played in San Jose but that isn't realistic. It's like thinking the .925 sv% Garon had during his amazing run is actually the type of goalie Garon is all the time, which he isn't.
The game in sj was totally unrealistic and noone's expecting games like that from rollie, garon or anyone else. I'm not even saying that our goalie should be "stealing games" for us. Rollie is just good for a bad goal or two per game and he rarely comes up with the stupendous saves to make up for them.
Keep in mind that you're defending a goalie over a span of games where he has an .870 sv%. I'm not making things up about him, he's brutal.
The game in sj was totally unrealistic and noone's expecting games like that from rollie, garon or anyone else. I'm not even saying that our goalie should be "stealing games" for us. Rollie is just good for a bad goal or two per game and he rarely comes up with the stupendous saves to make up for them.
Keep in mind that you're defending a goalie over a span of games where he has an .870 sv%. I'm not making things up about him, he's brutal.
...and in the last 6 games he's had a .915 SP - so what's your point? Looking any SP stats over the time span of a few games is almost completely meaningless since it is massively affected by a small number of good or bad plays - good or bad bounces.
There are 5 games left in the season and our #1 is hurt - we're damn lucky to have a vet who has been in bigger situations before and performed well - he also still has the potential to steal games as he did last week. Is he goalie jesus - clearly no - but *****ing about Roloson at this point is pretty much pointless since the only alternative is way worse (JDD).
There are 5 games left in the season and our #1 is hurt - we're damn lucky to have a vet who has been in bigger situations before and performed well - he also still has the potential to steal games as he did last week. Is he goalie jesus - clearly no - but *****ing about Roloson at this point is pretty much pointless since the only alternative is way worse (JDD).
Y'know, everybody wants Roloson to do well. However the OP asked a question: should we give Roloson credit for these wins? So he got his answer.
The last guy who should be getting credit for the wins is Roloson. I think Sparky Kulchisky and Joey Moss have been doing more to help the team win then Roloson.
Honestly, what games are you people watching? Has he been great no has he been average or better since he's been back as the starter? I'd have to say yes.Does he let in the odd stinker now and again? He sure does. Has he been getting wins since he has got back in the cage? You bet and he keeps getting that W.
Oh well, lets hope the boys come out and get another W be with or without their goalies help.
when goalies are on their games, crappy flukey goals like the ones that keep getting past rollie dont happen as often, its so evident that he is fighting the puck and has no confidence. the best thing he could do is start to become more aggressive, but he doesnt. he just sits there hoping the puck hits him as he seems to be trying to make himself smaller for some reason???the other thing about rollie is his handling of the puck when he gets it, it seems like he has no idea what to do with it but he goes out there as often as he can and 9/10 times gives it away?? this is where a head coach needs to step in and tell him to stop messing with the puck and leave it for his D to decide what to do with it. the last game it cost him a goal, chances are its gonna happen again if he keeps it up. the guy is old and has always been an average to above average at times in his career, he had one incredible run but people still think he is top 5 in the league. he isnt even top 20 at this rate anymore. to bad the oilers are stuck with him next year, he should be man enough to step away for the benefit of the club.
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Every single shot feels like it is going in. Rollie drops to the butterfly and hopes it hits him. Unfortunately, his positioning is poor and he leaves alot of gaps, which is why the puck always sqeaks through.
At this point I feel like I did during the SCF a couple of years ago. Then, I rooted for Jussi, was glad he could win a couple, but knew that the Oil had to play that much better as a team than when Rollie was in there. Now the tides have turned and Rollie is now Jussi. I want him to win, hope he proves us all wrong, but he has just sucked over the past 4-5 games with the exception of the highway robbery in SJ...thank goodness the rest of the team is on freakin fire.
I'm sure that the posters who are critical of Rollie all want him to return to form...there is nothing personal about their critique - it's obvious. But those who think he is playing well are delusional and remind me of Leafs fans.
I will give Roli credit for a win if he can steal us a game. When he can keep us in a game, or steal it for us...like he did in San Jose, then I will give him credit. It is hard for a goalie to lose a game, when his team scores 5-8 goals a game. If we score only 1 or 2, and he steals us the win..then I will give him credit.
I will give Roli credit for a win if he can steal us a game. When he can keep us in a game, or steal it for us...like he did in San Jose, then I will give him credit. It is hard for a goalie to lose a game, when his team scores 5-8 goals a game. If we score only 1 or 2, and he steals us the win..then I will give him credit.
Like I said above, the only way he gets credit is if he wins games that the Oilers have no right to even be on the same ice with the other team.
So because the team is scoring goals on most nights he should get very little to no credit for the wins. I'll ask you all again: Why would you want Garon in goal instead of Roli? If this is the criteria a lot of you want to use then it's clear who has been better of late. Roli has a better SV% & GAA so wouldn't it make sense to have him play?
(Feb. 16 - Mar.16)
Garon : GP - 12 W - 7 L - 5 GAA - 3.56 SV% - .889 GA - 38 SA -343 SV - 305
(He was pulled in 3 of those 12 starts, which is 25% of the time)
(Mar. 4 - Mar.24)
Roloson : GP - 8 W - 5 L - 1 GAA - 3.14 SV% - .905 GA - 23 SA - 242 SV - 219
(2 of these games he game in after Garon was pulled)
You guys can't have it both ways. Many of you say how Roli sucks and is letting in 4 goals a game and everything else but you want to put a guy in who has been letting in just as many bad goals on most nights and during his recent play has been statistically worse.
Which one is it?
Do you want him out because he "sucks" or because you don't "feel confident" with him in the goal?
Roli deserves credit for pulling career out of the crapper, and having the balls to give it his all.
I can't agree with the coaching decisions to play him, but without all the facts on Garon's injuries, I can't base a judgement until it is out in the open. Seems like it is being guarded a bit with the typical "lower body injury". Garon started to slide, but I don't his mobility suffered enough before he was yanked enough to warrant an injury status.
Go Roli, bring us to the playoffs like you did before. he is a gamer, a vetran a clutch player and deserves this city's respect for his effort.
Roli deserves credit for pulling career out of the crapper, and having the balls to give it his all.
I can't agree with the coaching decisions to play him, but without all the facts on Garon's injuries, I can't base a judgement until it is out in the open. Seems like it is being guarded a bit with the typical "lower body injury". Garon started to slide, but I don't his mobility suffered enough before he was yanked enough to warrant an injury status.
Go Roli, bring us to the playoffs like you did before. he is a gamer, a vetran a clutch player and deserves this city's respect for his effort.
It has been reported that Garon has been given a cortisone shot in the hopes that he can improve enough to play within 24 - 48 hours. I personally think there is a real injury.
Every single shot feels like it is going in. Rollie drops to the butterfly and hopes it hits him. Unfortunately, his positioning is poor and he leaves alot of gaps, which is why the puck always sqeaks through.
Where do you guys come up with this stuff?
every shot FEELS like it's going in? Your lack of confidence in Roli is your own problem.
Rollie HOPES is hits him? So now you can read his mind and guess what he's thinking?
the puck ALWAYS squeaks through? If that's the case, then Roli would have a save percentage of 0.000 right? So why is Roli's save percentage in the month of March 0.905? (219 saves out of 242 shots against).
Well, he is pretty good at handling the puck. Hes a lot more active outside the net than Garon.
are you honestly saying you didnt see him give the puck away 90% of the time he handled the puck? it even cost him a goal, the point shot that went off smid.
This team is damn lucky to have a quality goaltending tandem. Roloson has stepped into the breach with a great deal of rust and has won hockey games to keep the dream alive. Period.
Roli is not perfect but neither is the shoddy defensive zone play in front of him. Gilbert has two 'own goals' and Smid another one. The backend is very young and that is being reflected in the goals against. Through this stretch, Roli has been good enough to get the 'W's. What Garon might have done is conjecture and speculation but looking at his numbers, Matty's play was diminishing somewhat prior to the injury.
Count me in on crediting the play of the guy healthy enough to play right now. To think a young AHL goalie (outside Carey Price) could have stepped in and done better is fool's gold. Roloson has been through stretch drives and playoff runs. It is his time - like it or not - to backstop this team. And as a team, the Oil will win or lose as such.
...and in the last 6 games he's had a .915 SP - so what's your point? Looking any SP stats over the time span of a few games is almost completely meaningless since it is massively affected by a small number of good or bad plays - good or bad bounces.
There are 5 games left in the season and our #1 is hurt - we're damn lucky to have a vet who has been in bigger situations before and performed well - he also still has the potential to steal games as he did last week. Is he goalie jesus - clearly no - but *****ing about Roloson at this point is pretty much pointless since the only alternative is way worse (JDD).
Fine, then look at hiw whole season.
Rollie is 2 games below .500
Garon is 8 games above .500
Garon's sv% is .014 points higher
Garon's sv% is 16th in the league, Rollie is 37th out of the 44 goalies who have played enough games to be listed for that stat.
Garon allows .49 ga less per game than Rollie.
And Rollie has sucked for the last 4 games straight. Any goalie gets pulled after that. They don't just have backup goalies for starters who get injured. Goalies who reek get sat too.
when goalies are on their games, crappy flukey goals like the ones that keep getting past rollie dont happen as often, its so evident that he is fighting the puck and has no confidence.
Interesting logic.
I tend to think of it as when goaltenders are catching good breaks they tend to look really good.
Sort of like a team being on a winning streak. There's probably a few games in there where the bounces go their way and they end up looking better than they are. Conversely during a losing streak, bounces don't go their way and they can sometimes look worse than they are.
Generally, when goalies are on their game, part of that perception is because they are getting good bounces. Garon was absolutely cashing in on goalposts earlier in the year.... not so much lately though.
