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02-05-2004, 09:26 AM
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Nashville prospect ratings

How should our rankings look? Using only the HF criteria of

10= Rare Talent(Gretzky, Lemieux)
9= Potential Superstar
8= 1st line Forward/Top Defenseman/Top Goalie
7= 2nd line Forward/Top 3 Defenseman
6= 3rd line Forward/Top 5 Defenseman/Backup Goalie
5= 4th line Foward/6th/7th Defenseman
4= High-end Minor league Talent(Might get a shot...)
3= Minor League Role Player
2= Low-end Minor League Talent
1= Unlikely to make it out of junior/college
NR= Not Rated

Do not look at players rankings on other teams to judge (like Coburn is an 8, Suter has to be at least an 8). Use only how you feel this player will turnout within our team and system.

I'll have my here shortly.

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Iíll start with defense; number one because I know more about the position and number two itís our strongest point by far. Here are my top prospects, and I know the rankings seem a little high, but these guys are really that good.

Player Rating Comment
Ryan Suter 8.5 They say heís better than Hamhuis, can you believe that?-
Kevin Klein 7.2 The reason we traded Slovak, a mobile two-way defenseman
Shea Weber 7.2 A physical defenseman with a good shot.
Richard Stehlik 7.0 A huge offensive defenseman
Kirill Safronov 6.7 Another mobile defenseman
Andrew Huthinson 6.2 Looks similar to Eaton but with better hands.
Josh Morrow 6.0 A physical defenseman
Alexander Sulzer 6.0 If this guy gets a little determination, heíll move up these rankings

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I think Suter is the closest thing we have to a superstar. 8.5 - 9 is entirely reasonable.

I still think Finely is a 7, maybe a bit more. His injury problems hurt his stock, but I still think he has the potential to be either a starter or somewhere in between.

I like your choices triggr.

Would Haydar be a 7 simply b/c his style/size requires him to be a top 2 line player?
What about Gamache?

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Left Wings

Timofei Shishkanov 7.3 A natural goal scorer, a big fast sniper
Konstantin Glazachev 7.0 Another natural goal scorer
Simmon Gamache 7.0 A highly skilled smaller winger
Libor Pivko 6.3 a big skilled winger
Lauris Darzins 5.8 another large framed winger

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Centers

Sergei Soin 6.9 A great skating two-way center
Grigory Shafigulin 6.8 Another great skating center
Pat Jarrett 6.8 A Smooth skating two-way center
Denis Platonov 6.2 Swift skating center
Matt Kloalsk 5.8 Solid two-way center
Matt Hendricks 5.5 a tough strong center


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I left Segal off as he seems to have developed some personal problems with coaches and is now saying he will not attend camp this season.

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Right Wing


Scotty Upshall 7.5 A hard nosed hard working skilled two-way player
Brandon Segal 6.8 A tough physical winger
Paul Brown 6.0 Another tough physical winger
Daniel Widing 5.8 a fast two-way forward.
Konstantin Panov 5.5 a skilled good skating winger

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I left Segal off as he seems to have developed some personal problems with coaches and is now saying he will not attend camp this season.

Are you talking about Setzinger?

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Are you talking about Setzinger?
Yes, thanks

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is this going on what "the austrian" is saying?

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Okay, I've heard alot about Glazachev, and I know that coming into the season he was one of the few players that was rated to have star potential by some leading sports analysists. I did some searches on him and came up with this:

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Ranking - 7.5

In other words, maybe a 7.5 is a good rating for him

Timofei also was rated a 7.5, and I would think that is fair as well. ! !




I let my homer senses go crazy when given the oppurtunity.....


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The Edmonton Oilers Editors guy was talking on another thread about how Edmonton had us beat at forward prospects, he's wrong. Upshall is better than Rita, in fact I'd say Shishkanov is equal to Rita. Now added to that Glazachev, Soin, and Gamache are as good or better than any of their prospects up front not named Rita.

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I also notice Brian put up an article today. See we ***** and he throws something together, it's not even complete.

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It would have been nice if he was up to date. Curtis Murphy and Shishkanov are also AHL All-Stars.

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The Edmonton Oilers Editors guy was talking on another thread about how Edmonton had us beat at forward prospects, he's wrong. Upshall is better than Rita, in fact I'd say Shishkanov is equal to Rita. Now added to that Glazachev, Soin, and Gamache are as good or better than any of their prospects up front not named Rita.

The Edmonton Oilers prospects are almost as overhyped as Montreal's. Here's some examples.

Jeff Deslauriers was taken 31st overall (2nd round) in the 2002 draft. He is rated an 8. His numbers took a nice dive after his selection in the entry draft. Atlanta defenseman Jim Slater was taken in the pick preceeding Deslauriers. He's rated a 7. Lee Farlardeu was taken two picks after Deslauriers. He is rated a 6. Upshall, taken almost a full round ahead is only rated a 7.5.


Brad Winchester is rated a 6. Drafted in the second round of 2000, he currently has 7 points in 42 AHL games. He had more points as a freshman in college than he did as a senior. Needless to say, he hasn't progressed much at all. Yet he is rated equal to the likes of Glazachev, Segal, Klein and better than Stehlik and Hutchinson.

Jesse Niinimaki was drafted 15th overall in 2002. He is a 7.5. Once again, 9 spots behind Upshall and yet the same rating.

It doesn't end in 2002 though as in the most recent draft, more examples can be found.

Marc-Antoine Pouliot was taken 22nd overall in 2003. He has had a nice season in the Q but nothing special. Nevertheless, he is rated a 7.5. The player drafted right ahead of him, Mark Stuart of Boston, is rated a 7. The player drafted just behind him, Ryan Klesler of Vancouver, is rated a 6.5. Your beloved Ryan Suter, taken over 14 spots ahead, is also ranked 7.5.

In that same draft, Colin MacDonald was taken 51st overall, 2 spots behind Shea Weber. He is rated a 6. Weber, however, doesn't exist. MacDonald has the same rating as both Klien and Glazachev, who were drafted around 15 spots ahead of him.

I can keep doing this. Once someone gets drafted by Edmonton, they are better than most of their peers. It's not nearly as bad as Montreal, where they have 6 player rated on par or ahead of any one of ours. But it still not right.

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LW

1. Timofei Shishkanov 7 Ė 7.5
2. Konstantin Glazachev 6 - 7
3. Simon Gamache 4.5 - 6.5
4. Libor Pivko 5.5 - 6

C

1. Oliver Setzinger 6.5
2. Matt Koalska 5.5
3. Patrick Jarrett 5.5
4. Denis Platonov 5.5
5. Matt Hendricks 5
6. Grigory Shafigulin 5

RW

1. Scottie Upshall 7.5 - 8.0
2. Brandon Segal 6
3. Darren Haydar 6
4. Paul Brown 5

D

1. Ryan Suter 7.5 - 8.5
2. Kirill Safronov 7
3. Kevin Klein 6 - 7
4. Shea Weber 6.5
4. Richard Stehlik 5.5 - 6
5. Andrew Hutchinson 5 - 6

G

1. Brian Finley 7
2. Teemu Lassila 6
3. Rustam Sidikov 5

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Good job smokey. They should let you edit our page.

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Based on what we have seen of Weber and Stehlik this year, I would give them slightly higher marks. Richard, I believe, is at least a 6.5.

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Good job smokey. They should let you edit our page.
I have too much of an emotional tie with the team. They don't want a homer editing the pag

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I have too much of an emotional tie with the team. They don't want a homer editing the pag
BS, all of there editors are homers. Take a look. I'd say we're the only page that doesn't have a fan editing it's page, which is why ours is never updated, our editor doesn't care.

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I should include one more thing about Edmonton being rated higher than us. Since 1993, Edmonton first round picks (10 picks) have combined for 818 games played, 67 goals, 139 assists, and 206 points. Since our inception in 1998, Predator first round picks have combined for 678 games played, 111 goals, 306 assists for 417 points. And we have been better at pulling legit NHL talent out of the latter rounds as well. My point being, the Oilers have been absolute failures at the draft table for a decade now. Though some fans get in a tizzy about Hemsky, he's really the only Oiler prospect worth mentioning. There is absolutely no reason to feel there trend of failure is over. I'm sure players like Bonsignore, Devereaux, and Kelly were just as exciting as Mikhnov (likely a bust), Niinimaki, and Poiliot.

Track record should have a little baring on what we think. And in this, like almost every other facet of prospects, the Preds are ahead of Edmonton.

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BS, all of there editors are homers. Take a look. I'd say we're the only page that doesn't have a fan editing it's page, which is why ours is never updated, our editor doesn't care.
Agreed...biggest homers on HF?

Montreal

Edmonton

Detroit

Phoenix

New Jersey

Basically, save for Atl and Columbus, most every team in the top 10 is moderated by homers (atleast compared to Nashville's editor).

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New Jersey went from 14th or 18th (dont remember which one) to second place.......All they added was Zach Parise, but they lost their two highly touted d-men, goalie, etc. So how do they move up so far? Go for it Smokey, I'm sick of going to the Preds page and seeing few updates, terrible rankings.....etc. In fact, I quit going after about two trips there......its pathetic. No offense to the person running it, but if he doesn't have time to put up a decent front for our team......then why is he doing it???

Good god phonex's editor is CRAZY! 10 players have a 7+ rating. 6 have a 6.5 rating, 3 have a 6 rating. There top 4 center prospects are all rated a 7, the next two a 6.5, and the seventh center prospect is a 6 . There defense is similary "stacked". Its kind of funny how each position has a talent of at least 7 or greater.

The Devils are just flat out pathetic.......and montreal, despite owning a good crop of prospects, are and always will be homers. Its the nature of their team....


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I wouldn't mind being the page editor but I don't think I'm an option.

As for HF Sabres, I have to give the guy credit. The fact that he even tries with the Nashville board is more than most can say. He gives a heckuva lot more effort that most any editor out there.

And Phoenix is a disgrace. It isn't there upper level prospects that concern me. It's the seemingly hundreds of lower to middle tier prospects that they have ranked 6's and 7's.

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A comparison of Montreal and Nashville's last draft...HF style.

7th overall (1st round) Suter is rated a 7.5 (Nashville)

10th overall (1st round) Kastistyn is rated an 8.5 (Montreal)

35th overall (2nd round) Glazachev is rated a 6 (Nashville)

37 overall (2nd round) Klein is rated a 6 (Nashville)

40th overall (2nd round) Urqhart is rated a 7 (Montreal)

49th overall (2nd round) Weber is not rated (Nashville)

61st overall (2nd round) Lapierre is rated a 6 (Montreal)

76 overall (3rd round) Stehlik is rated a 5.5 (Nashville)

79th overall, O'Byrnes is rated a 6 (Montreal)

89th overall, Brown is rated a 5 (Nashville)

92nd overall, Sulzer is not rated (Nashville)

98th overall, Shafigulin is rated a 5 (Nashville)

113th overall, Locke is rated a 5.5 (Montreal)

117 overall, Lassila is rated a 6 (Nashville)

133 overall, Sidikov is not rated (Nashville)

210 overall, Mukhachev is not rated (Nashville)

213th overall, Hanuljak is not rated (Nashville)

217th overall, Korpikari is rated a 6 (Montreal)

268th overall, Darzins is not rated (Nashville)

271st overall, Halak is rated a 6. (Montreal)



In the 2003 draft, Montreal averaged a draft position of 138th. Their average rating was 5.63. Nashville's average draft position was 95th overall. Their average rating was 3.15. That's all you need to know right there.

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