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04-17-2008, 04:00 PM
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Oh Good God. Why not just throw in Matthias, Frolik and Horton.
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I'm in the boat of only move Jokinen if it's necessary to bring in someone better, but ideally keep Olli and manage (somehow, but I have to say I can't imagine how) to acquire someone better for him to play with.
i don't see a deal with jokinen involving anyone better in the way of everyone wanting a guy who can score 30 plus goals and 30-40 assist. i do however see us getting back intangibles that make this team better.

we haven't won anything with him. yes argue he hasn't played with anyone worth a damn.. but i don't think his number vastly improve even with a good player next to him... so he scores 80 points and i'd say half of his assist come off rebounds from his shots.

iono i like olli but after this season i didn't see the same passion to attempt to win then other season i think he's always been lazy but he always seemed to care. i didn't see it this year

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Ill tell you what though, you offer me Spezza for Olli straight up, Im taking and running before I get arrested for theft.
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Florida - McCabe or Kubina and Steen
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almost spilled my drink!!!

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Paul Kariya-Andy McDonald-1st

Horton-Weiss-Jokinen

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Paul Kariya-Andy McDonald-1st

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As an outsider, I would take Jokinen before Kariya, Weiss before McDonald and Horton WAY before the 1st round pick. No deal at all if you ask me.

Horton, Bouwmeester and 3rd round pick for Heatley, Meszaros and 2nd round pick


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Jokinen for Kevin Bieksa, Mason Raymond, and a 2nd round pick

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As an outsider, I would take Jokinen before Kariya, Weiss before McDonald and Horton WAY before the 1st round pick. No deal at all if you ask me.

Horton, Bouwmeester and 3rd round pick for Heatley, Meszaros and 2nd round pick
Heatley yet agains disappears in the post season. I am not a fan of Heatley that much, and Meszaros hasn't been great this year. I'd actually pass. If Horton reaches potential, that deal screws us over.

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As an outsider, I would take Jokinen before Kariya, Weiss before McDonald and Horton WAY before the 1st round pick. No deal at all if you ask me.

Horton, Bouwmeester and 3rd round pick for Heatley, Meszaros and 2nd round pick
JM will not part with Horton. Bouwmeester, Until he is signed I am not sure. So if we can't sign him, how about Bouwmeester & 2nd pick for Heatley & 1st pick.

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you are overrating bouwmeester

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Paul Kariya-Andy McDonald-1st

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So brutal.

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Jokinen for Kevin Bieksa, Mason Raymond, and a 2nd round pick
Even more brutal.

How about Henrik Sedin for Allen, Kreps, and a 2nd?

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I had also another idea about the Sens but that's a big "if". With Horton and Jokinen, the Sens would get the major change they need. But they would still need a solid goalie.

Just for the fun of it, I thought about a proposal based on an hypothetical situation. Let's say that the Sabres are once again not able to retain a key player and that they need to trade him (Ryan Miller):

To OTT: Ryan Miller, Maxim Afinogenov and TB 2008 3rd round pick

To BUF: Karri Ramo, Martin Gerber and OTT 2008 1st round pick

To TB: Mike Fisher and Ray Emery

Sabres: Ramo-Gerber
Lightning: Smith-Emery

Sens lineup:

Horton-Spezza-Afinogenov
UFA(Stillman?)-Jokinen-Alfredsson
Foligno-Kelly-Neil
McGrattan-McAmmond-Donovan

Volchenkov-UFA(Liles?)
Phillips-Lee
Schubert-UFA(Smith?)

Miller
UFA

This is obviously just a fantasy idea but I really think that the Sens could benefit of a major change of their core. Jokinen would give them a talented leader and Horton would replace Heatley as their power forward for the future.
Yeah and if I were the Sabres I would trade a good goalie and a pretty decent offensive player for a young crappy goalie, an old pretty decent goalie and a 1st round pick when they already have two 1st rounders... This trade makes absolutely no sense even if it is "just in theory"

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well for fun if bouwmeester doesn't sign and we trade him what do you guys think of a

florida- corey perry and 1st pick and/or prospect
anihiem-bouwmeester

they get a defenseman who doesn't replace niedermayer but maybe the best possible player that plays similiar style minutes and worth

we get a solid winger who's also young either a top prospect young player etc. and/or a nice pick in a deep draft

we also could possibly sign Campbell in the offseason to be our number 1 d-man
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toronto- sundin
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if we can't resign bouw i think this is a very solid deal. leaves us room to still try and sign a campbell or possibly trade for a guy like pitkanen or ryan whitney as puck moving d-man

also i believe jokinen will be traded so how about a 3 team trade

calgary- jokinen emery/gerber
ottawa-kiprusoff
florida- spezza

we prob have to throw in some kind of winger to ottawa but that's kinda the core of the deal maybe a few other pieces thrown here and there
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Paul Kariya-Andy McDonald-1st

Horton-Weiss-Jokinen

Just wanted to highlight some of the trade offers made in this thread...
wow...

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To Florida: Michael Cammalleri, Patrik Hersley
To Los Angeles: Jay Bouwmeester

Go easy, I only do these proposals on my XBox 360 (and I'm a friggin genius there) :-)

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To Florida: Michael Cammalleri, Patrik Hersley
To Los Angeles: Jay Bouwmeester

Go easy, I only do these proposals on my XBox 360 (and I'm a friggin genius there) :-)
We all are.

Cammy's coming off a less-than-stellar season and I don't know who Hersley is. I have to say no...way!

For Bouw, you have to start with Frolov, Kopitar, Brown, etc.

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Just wanted to highlight some of the trade offers made in this thread...
wow...
Which is why fantasy trades have their own thread here. We get a lot of crazies.

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To Florida: Michael Cammalleri, Patrik Hersley
To Los Angeles: Jay Bouwmeester

Go easy, I only do these proposals on my XBox 360 (and I'm a friggin genius there) :-)
Not even close.

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We all are.

Cammy's coming off a less-than-stellar season and I don't know who Hersley is. I have to say no...way!

For Bouw, you have to start with Frolov, Kopitar, Brown, etc.
I agree that Cammi's had a rough season. He was injured. The reason why I suggest him is that I don't think Oli Jokinen is really true first line center. Cammi and Jokinen is kind of a 1A and 1B center situation. Cammi is easily a 35-40 goal scorer. Hersley adds to a nice stable of defenseman that Florida already has with Welch and Ellerby. With those defensive prospects, I'm not sure you miss Jay Bow as much as you might think.

Now, if I'm Florida, I make a big push for Campbell and Commodore in the off season. That makes Bow a very tradeable asset.

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I agree that Cammi's had a rough season. He was injured. The reason why I suggest him is that I don't think Oli Jokinen is really true first line center. Cammi and Jokinen is kind of a 1A and 1B center situation. Cammi is easily a 35-40 goal scorer. Hersley adds to a nice stable of defenseman that Florida already has with Welch and Ellerby. With those defensive prospects, I'm not sure you miss Jay Bow as much as you might think.

Now, if I'm Florida, I make a big push for Campbell and Commodore in the off season. That makes Bow a very tradeable asset.
You are undervaluing Bouw by a lot. He is a top 15 defenseman and in a couple years will be a top 5 defenseman. Campbell or Commodore don't even come close to replacing Bouw. Campbell is so overrated. It's not just you, but people hype him up to be something that he's not, especially on HF it seems. Yeah, he scores a lot of points, but his defensive play drops him outside of the top 20 defensemen for sure. No way he can replace Bouw's defensive play. I don't even consider him a true #1 d-man. His defense just isn't good enough. Welch, Ellerby, and Hersley will never be the level of defenseman that Bouw is.

Jokinen is definitely a true first line center. Before this season, he had an 89 and 91 point seasons. And he had no true first line wingers flanking him. He still doesn't. He played a lot with Horton in 05-06, but Horton was not yet a true first line calibre player yet at that time. If he was given a playmaking winger the level of Bouchard or Kariya, he'd be a 100 point player.

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Jacques Martin seemed to have a huge mancrush on Vermette while Martin was in Ottawa, do you think that a deal involving Vermette could work for the panthers, and if so, what might they offer?
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You are undervaluing Bouw by a lot. He is a top 15 defenseman and in a couple years will be a top 5 defenseman. Campbell or Commodore don't even come close to replacing Bouw. Campbell is so overrated. It's not just you, but people hype him up to be something that he's not, especially on HF it seems. Yeah, he scores a lot of points, but his defensive play drops him outside of the top 20 defensemen for sure. No way he can replace Bouw's defensive play. I don't even consider him a true #1 d-man. His defense just isn't good enough. Welch, Ellerby, and Hersley will never be the level of defenseman that Bouw is.

Jokinen is definitely a true first line center. Before this season, he had an 89 and 91 point seasons. And he had no true first line wingers flanking him. He still doesn't. He played a lot with Horton in 05-06, but Horton was not yet a true first line calibre player yet at that time. If he was given a playmaking winger the level of Bouchard or Kariya, he'd be a 100 point player.

Bouw was also one of the top "On ice time" players this year. He had a stretch of 10 games where he averaged almost 30min per game. He is the more valuable to the Panthers then any other D-man for there team IMO. He also added 15 goals this year without really jumping up on the play to much. He can have a much better offensive game in the future because he is still developing. If Bouw is traded at least 2 very good young players have to be included, because Bouw isn't the type of player you find at every corner.

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Jacques Martin seemed to have a huge mancrush on Vermette while Martin was in Ottawa, do you think that a deal involving Vermette could work for the panthers, and if so, what might they offer?
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I think Vermette is definately someone JM would be willing to trade for. I think any chance of this happening really depends on who Ottawa would be asking for in return.

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I think Vermette is definately someone JM would be willing to trade for. I think any chance of this happening really depends on who Ottawa would be asking for in return.
Vermette+ Meszaros+ Zubov for Bouwmeester?

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