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04-01-2008, 05:05 PM
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ot--why baseball is wrong

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one of the reason's Ilike the cap

one player earning more then the entire Marlins

that is where hockey was heading

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I agree, I love baseball but it is beyond a joke. I don't even mind some teams having double the payroll of other teams, but when one teams spends litterally 8 times of what another team spends, somthing needs to change, and fast.

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baseball has really become a joke, whoever is willing to spend the most generally has the most success.

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what a ********** joke.

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A Rod is worth every penny.
What does it really speak to? How much the Yankees are willing to pay to contend year in and out, or how cheap the Marlins are?

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A Rod is worth every penny.
What does it really speak to? How much the Yankees are willing to pay to contend year in and out, or how cheap the Marlins are?
Well it is a bit of both, that is why I like the idea of revenue sharing and having a cap floor as well as a ceiling. THe Yanks spend to much but other teams are just being plain cheap.

Bottom line they need some sort of system like hockey. Right now it is messed up.

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You do realize the real reason some baseball teams are a joke right?

Cheap-skate owners who won't spend for talent and make insane amounts of money as a result.

This season should be really great. Lots of new, young talent around. Some interesting moves made in the offseason, and my Yankees finally get to rid themselves of guys like Mussina and Giambi! (here's hoping)

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Bottom line they need some sort of system like hockey. Right now it is messed up.
No, actually they don't. They make money the way things are.

Legislating competitiveness in sports is wrong. The cap is in hockey for financial purposes, baseball doesn't need this.

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The Marlins were also in a dispute with Miami over the creation of a new stadium to help bolster revenues, with the ownership threatening to move if one was not created. Sound familiar?

Anyways it is a bit ridiculous, I love baseball but this past summer with the steroids and team budgets has left me somewhat jaded.

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You do realize the real reason some baseball teams are a joke right?

Cheap-skate owners who won't spend for talent and make insane amounts of money as a result.

This season should be really great. Lots of new, young talent around. Some interesting moves made in the offseason, and my Yankees finally get to rid themselves of guys like Mussina and Giambi! (here's hoping)
oh god, another yankees fan, oh lord what did I do to deserve this. I have been over this a million times, some owners are cheap skates, but bottom line they just don't have anything close to the revenue the yanks have. Alot of teams like the Royals and some others actually lost money last year.

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A Rod is worth every penny.
What does it really speak to? How much the Yankees are willing to pay to contend year in and out, or how cheap the Marlins are?
except when it matters the most - the post season. I think it more speaks to the fact that there is a distinct advantage to the teams who have the fanbase, and as a result have more money to compete.

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The moment the season starts 3/4 's of the league has a snowballs hope in Hec of competing. I feal sorry for any fan that doesn't cheer for the Yanks,Bo-Sox,Atlanta. etc...
Unlike hockey, it's much more unlikely a team will catch fire and win make the post season ( Colorado is not the norm.).

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oh god, another yankees fan, oh lord what did I do to deserve this. I have been over this a million times, some owners are cheap skates, but bottom line they just don't have anything close to the revenue the yanks have. Alot of teams like the Royals and some others actually lost money last year.
I come by my Yankee fan-dom honestly. My dad's been a fan since the days of Mickey.

The Yankees deserve the revenue they've built up. Just like the Red Sox do. They both have far more fans than anyone else.

Teams like the Royals, the Pirates, the Marlins, have all sewn up their own mediocrity. There are many teams that have shown that you can re-build in the MLB. You can come from nothing and be something.

The real problem tends to be franchises like the Diamondbacks.

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The NBA has the best system IMO.

They have a cap, but there is some flexibility to go above the cap if you're willing to pay luxury tax.

If the NHL adopted such a system it could work pretty well for us given Katz' pocket book.

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The NBA has the best system IMO.

They have a cap, but there is some flexibility to go above the cap if you're willing to pay luxury tax.

If the NHL adopted such a system it could work pretty well for us given Katz' pocket book.
Which is why I wanted a harshly punitive luxury tax as opposed to a cap.

There are teams that deserve to win and teams that don't. The cap eliminates much of that.

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I come by my Yankee fan-dom honestly. My dad's been a fan since the days of Mickey.

The Yankees deserve the revenue they've built up. Just like the Red Sox do. They both have far more fans than anyone else.

Teams like the Royals, the Pirates, the Marlins, have all sewn up their own mediocrity. There are many teams that have shown that you can re-build in the MLB. You can come from nothing and be something.

The real problem tends to be franchises like the Diamondbacks.
The Yanks come from NY, which has a massive population, they have been around forever, of course they have more fans. So that means they deserve a way better chance of winning year in and year out than any other team. Ya that is fun to watch. I honestly can't believe a oilers fan would come up with this argument.

A true dynasty wins with regards to intelligent people running it, that was the yankees, now they just spend way more than any one else.

The biggest flaw in all of baseball is even the rich teams have better chances at young players. Some teams can't even afford to sign high end draft picks. Also places like Japan arn't in on the draft, so teams just buy the talent there. It is really messed up top to bottom.

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Which is why I wanted a harshly punitive luxury tax as opposed to a cap.

There are teams that deserve to win and teams that don't. The cap eliminates much of that.
ok, actually I will agree with you there, I think you are more reasonable then I first thought.

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The marlins & royals are a joke
not baseball.

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My ideal set up for the NHL would be a $60 million dollar soft cap with a hard roof set at $70 million, but every dollar over the $60 million roof is subject to a dollar for dollar luxury tax which then goes into revune sharing.

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The Yanks come from NY, which has a massive population, they have been around forever, of course they have more fans. So that means they deserve a way better chance of winning year in and year out than any other team. Ya that is fun to watch. I honestly can't believe a oilers fan would come up with this argument.

A true dynasty wins with regards to intelligent people running it, that was the yankees, now they just spend way more than any one else.
Which is why we won in the 90s and what we're getting back to in this and the next coming years. Thankfully we didn't trade for Santana this year and kept 3 of the best pitching prospects in the league.

NY's population isn't why they're popular or why they're good. Great brand, winning teams, dedication, more fans in the world than anyone outside of English soccer. If it was, the Dodgers, Giants, and Mets would all be king-pins and they are not.

BTW - Most MLB teams have been around forever.

It's great to watch a team that dedicated to winning all the time.

We were like that once you realize? We were North America-wide and a popular brand associated with excellence and winning etc. We blew that however. It can be re-built, but we don't have that guy who wore, what was it? 98? Something like that...

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My ideal set up for the NHL would be a $60 million dollar soft cap with a hard roof set at $70 million, but every dollar over the $60 million roof is subject to a dollar for dollar luxury tax which then goes into revune sharing.
I would agree with that, it is to hard the way it is now. I like the idea that if a team wants to go for it they can. Just keep it somewhat fair, It is weird but the nhl now is almost to fair, every team is in and around the cap. I want parity, but it is just insaine now. I like to see teams rebuild while others go for it.

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Which is why we won in the 90s and what we're getting back to in this and the next coming years. Thankfully we didn't trade for Santana this year and kept 3 of the best pitching prospects in the league.

NY's population isn't why they're popular or why they're good. Great brand, winning teams, dedication, more fans in the world than anyone outside of English soccer. If it was, the Dodgers, Giants, and Mets would all be king-pins and they are not.

BTW - Most MLB teams have been around forever.

It's great to watch a team that dedicated to winning all the time.

We were like that once you realize? We were North America-wide and a popular brand associated with excellence and winning etc. We blew that however. It can be re-built, but we don't have that guy who wore, what was it? 98? Something like that...

THe yanks had a great dynasty, just saying that doesn't mean they should beable to spend 10 times what other teams do.

It is just a matter of numbers, the way it is now is just not a good set up for league wide prosperity. As it stands now it is becoming the yanks show. You say other teams don't have fans, but when you see a team spend 10 times what your team does, why exaclt would you become a fan??

And the yanks have been around longer than most other teams, I would say 90%.

ps, ya we shall see how joba, hughs and kennady pan out this year. I think they have a weeker team then they have had in a while.

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Let 16 teams into the playoffs for MLB and I can start to care about it more.

I do follow it to some degree but it has lessened, since I am a Jays fan and being in the same div as the Yanks, and Sox really screws them as wild card is their only reasonable shot.


One more round of playoffs and hack a few games from preseason / the regular season to make it go no later. Baseball is such a long year most fans wouldn't notice the difference but they would care about the game for a much longer time

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baseball sucked well before 1990. sorry.

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Wasn't TSN gonna show the Huricanes vs. Capitals today, but baseball is on. I HATE baseball.

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