This guy has been incredible. 28ES pts, 3SH pts, 2pts/60mins 5v5.
Interesting thing is this is one of the most trusted young players on the club. Even getting a huge role in our fantastic pk rotation. More minutes per game on pk than even Pisani
Make no mistake this is 31 hardfought and heroic pts playing all year with 4th line guys and zero PP rotation which greatly inflates pts stats.
To really look at Brodziaks contribution one needs to consider that if you take away PP#'s he's had as good or better a season than any of the kidline.
This guy has been incredible. 28ES pts, 3SH pts, 2pts/60mins 5v5.
Interesting thing is this is one of the most trusted young players on the club. Even getting a huge role in our fantastic pk rotation. More minutes per game on pk than even Pisani
Make no mistake this is 31 hardfought and heroic pts playing all year with 4th line guys and zero PP rotation which greatly inflates pts stats.
To really look at Brodziaks contribution one needs to consider that if you take away PP#'s he's had as good or better a season than any of the kidline.
PLUS he's now a regular on a vaunted NHL pk.
Kyle is on the club next year no matter what.
I agree Brodziak has had an unexpected very successful year, but its not fair to say "well if you take away PP points than he's better". The PP is one of the most important aspects of a team.
I agree Brodziak has had an unexpected very successful year, but its not fair to say "well if you take away PP points than he's better". The PP is one of the most important aspects of a team.
The pk is one of the most important aspects of an Oiler team.
How is it that everybody automatically thinks the PP contribution is more important than pk?
forreal... the dude is spewing out confidence nowadays too. remember early in the season with no finish? him and glencross are a great duo... oh and reasoner as a pk killer was money all season.
this fourth line has emerged into a verygood line, they were rarely pinned in the defensive zone... a big reason why te oilers had much success late in the season, as this line gave scoring... now thats nasty. gotta give props to kyle. played hard to start training camp, till the end of the season.
This guy has been incredible. 28ES pts, 3SH pts, 2pts/60mins 5v5.
Interesting thing is this is one of the most trusted young players on the club. Even getting a huge role in our fantastic pk rotation. More minutes per game on pk than even Pisani
Make no mistake this is 31 hardfought and heroic pts playing all year with 4th line guys and zero PP rotation which greatly inflates pts stats.
To really look at Brodziaks contribution one needs to consider that if you take away PP#'s he's had as good or better a season than any of the kidline.
PLUS he's now a regular on a vaunted NHL pk.
Kyle is on the club next year no matter what.
I could not agree more. I got to watch him a fair bit in the AHL last year and I knew he was ready. I even got my share of snickers last Summer when I said if Reasoner falters at all this year Kyle Brodziak is ready to replace him.
He was on a 2 way contract this year but next year he is on a 1 way (but so is Mathieu Roy - 1 out of 2 ain't bad ). Not that it matters because he has his spot cemented.
Speaking of good rookies. Do you still feel Glencross will only be good for 5 to 10 goals a year as you said a week or two ago?
You are right though Brodziak is a unsung hero and his contribution is huge. That 4th line has really been driving a lot of our results in the last 20 games or so.
Cogliano 35 ES points, 3 SH points +1, roughly 2.4pts/60 minutes at ES
Nilsson 33 ES points, 0 SH points +8, nearly 2.5pts/60 minutes at ES
(Gagner is a sore spot at ES)
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I'm saying Brodziaks pk contribution this year has about as much value added as the wonderkids PP contribution.
After that the ES contributions balance out.
Few here really look at contributions in this manner.
I guess I misunderstood you then. Because I am agreeing fully that he has had a fantastic year, but I thought you were including the PK, but not including the PP. If they cancel each other out than fine.
I could not agree more. I got to watch him a fair bit in the AHL last year and I knew he was ready. I even got my share of snickers last Summer when I said if Reasoner falters at all this year Kyle Brodziak is ready to replace him.
He was on a 2 way contract this year but next year he is on a 1 way (but so is Mathieu Roy - 1 out of 2 ain't bad ). Not that it matters because he has his spot cemented.
Speaking of good rookies. Do you still feel Glencross will only be good for 5 to 10 goals a year as you said a week or two ago?
You are right though Brodziak is a unsung hero and his contribution is huge. That 4th line has really been driving a lot of our results in the last 20 games or so.
With Glencross I was speaking more hypothetically saying he could level out. Its hard to say where he is longterm as a player.
But so far the Brodziak-Glenx duo has been great for us. Storts of course good supporting cast but will have a harder time keeping a role on the club.
Brodziaks MacT granted gift this year is the pk rotation. This makes him less replaceable than Glenx
not meaning to knock GlenX he's been very good for us so far.
Cogliano 35 ES points, 3 SH points +1, roughly 2.4pts/60 minutes at ES
Nilsson 33 ES points, 0 SH points +8, nearly 2.5pts/60 minutes at ES
(Gagner is a sore spot at ES)
I guess I misunderstood you then. Because I am agreeing fully that he has had a fantastic year, but I thought you were including the PK, but not including the PP. If they cancel each other out than fine.
Sorry I didn't make it more clear. Thats how it was working in my mind.(hard enough for me to follow)
Cogs and Nilson have been fantastic ES. But it would be easier to produce playing with Gags, cogs, Nilsson than Brodz playing with Storts and GlenX
As much as everyone loves Glencross, IMO he wouldn't be doing as well minus Brodziak. IMO Kyle makes guys like Stoll and Reasoner expendable. This kid is a tireless worker, always has himself in the right place at the right times, and he has some decent skill to boot. Definately an unsung hero on this team. And one of the reasons why the teams future is so bright. Glencross and Brodziak could give us 2/3's of a great 3rd/4th line for many years to come. Now we just need to get rid of that pesky Torres
BTW-Any idea on the Penner Bet avatar???
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As much as everyone loves Glencross, IMO he wouldn't be doing as well minus Brodziak. IMO Kyle makes guys like Stoll and Reasoner expendable. This kid is a tireless worker, always has himself in the right place at the right times, and he has some decent skill to boot. Definately an unsung hero on this team. And one of the reasons why the teams future is so bright. Glencross and Brodziak could give us 2/3's of a great 3rd/4th line for many years to come. Now we just need to get rid of that pesky Torres
BTW-Any idea on the Penner Bet avatar???
Its fun that I'm transparent about things like Torres. At least people know my tendencies
All I can say is Brodziak like others are putting pressure on the former dynamic duo.
As for the Pennerbets Avatar how abouts a picture of Penner on his posterior(should be easy enough to find) with Doh! or Epic Fail or something stupid below it. Maybe even "Replaced"
I can never figure these things. I only know how to win the bets
As much as everyone loves Glencross, IMO he wouldn't be doing as well minus Brodziak. IMO Kyle makes guys like Stoll and Reasoner expendable. This kid is a tireless worker, always has himself in the right place at the right times, and he has some decent skill to boot. Definately an unsung hero on this team. And one of the reasons why the teams future is so bright. Glencross and Brodziak could give us 2/3's of a great 3rd/4th line for many years to come. Now we just need to get rid of that pesky Torres
BTW-Any idea on the Penner Bet avatar???
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Let me know if you come across a picture to your liking. My avatar skills are also very weak, kind of like Torres' play this year
I hear Torres is scoring very well in rehab with physiotherapists. Does that count?
heres a picture: (penner stumbles) hmm
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I've become a huge fan of Brodziak this season. He does much more than what's expected from a fourth line player, and he does it very well. I think it's fair to say that he's a lock for next season.
Haha it's nice to see some good nature and playful ribbing here on a night that did feel pretty bad not too long ago.
Re: Brodziak, it's hard for me to mention him without also talking about Glencross but he definitely does deserve a ton of credit. Walking onto the team ahead of players with way more draft pedigree was a great accomplishment in itself and Kyle followed it through with a very solid season. Folks with keen eyes for the game (Dennis come first to mind) suggested Brodziak was creating chances even in the beginning of the season but not burying them. In the long run chances do equal offense and it's nice to see Brodziak teaming up so well with Glencross.
that pass to spring glencross on the breakaway, my god what a thing of beauty that was. Brodziak is one of those very underrated offensive guys because he's not very flashy and he's solid defensively, but the guy's got some skill there. He's like a younger Shawn Horcoff in my eyes, and there ain't nothing wrong with that.
). Not that it matters because he has his spot cemented.
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) with Doh! or Epic Fail or something stupid below it. Maybe even "Replaced"
