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04-05-2008, 01:38 AM
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Without Alfredsson and Fischer they have no chance.
For some reason I bet both are back by game 2 or 3.

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Say Boston loose their game tomorrow, they ll stay at 94 pts with ottawa, but then ottawa will be 6th instead of 7th because they won more games, so we might play boston and Ovi vs Ottawa?

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For some reason I bet both are back by game 2 or 3.
And then we send Steve Begin to remind them of their injuries.

Come on, you know it'll happen.

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Without Alfredsson and Fischer they have no chance.
On the Sens board they are all praying their gods and slaying virgins to make it happen.

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i get the feeling they won't be out for "weeks" either. it didn't seem that bad.

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Not true. But if we win tomorrow we face Ottawa or Boston
I think you're wrong. If we win tomorrow, the only way we play boston is if they get zero points against Buffalo.

If Boston gets 1 point or more (regardless of what happens to the Flyers and Pens) we play Ottawa.

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I hope they're ready for game 1.

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It is actually a lot more complicated than this.

If Boston wins (96), the Bruins finish sixth in the conference.

If Boston loses (94), the Senators (94) are in sixth (by virtue of Ottawa's wins tiebreaker) and the Bruins are in seventh but this would only be for the time being.

On Sunday, Philly (93), plays Pittsburgh. That game also may help determine whether Montreal is a #1 or #2 seed.

If Philadelphia wins (95), while Boston has lost the previous day, Philadelphia finishes in sixth.

Whoever finishes sixth plays the Southeast division winner (Washington if the Caps get a point or more Saturday; Carolina if Washington loses in regulation).

Ottawa holds the wins tiebreakers against both of Philly and Boston, if teams are locked at 94 points.

Right now, Philly and Boston would be tied for wins (in the event Boston loses Saturday, Philly gets one point against Pittsburgh, and they both have 94 points). In the next tiebreaker, head-to-head, Boston holds the advantage.

Still a bunch of scenarios to determine the sixth, seventh, and eighth place seeding.

A New Jersey - NYR game on Sunday has potential implications for how teams slot into the #4, #5 and #6 positions as well. Very fluid still.


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I think it works out that way.

If we win, we'll be in first.

But a win by Pittsburgh puts us back in second place, and since they play Philly, Philly would stay the 8th seed and Ottawa the 7th.

If Pittsburg loses, we stay in first, but Philly passes Ottawa and Ottawa becomes the 8th seed.


So, if we want to avoid Ottawa, we should lose tomorrow. I do say *if*, they don't seem as threatening as they did a few weeks ago now do they?


(Unless I'm missing something of course.)

Once my team did that,we lost a game on purpose and played a team we all wanted too.Yup you guest it,we lost that game 8-2!!!

You go out there,play hard and if we play Ottawa,thats the way it's gonna be.With all thier injuries,the 1st round is the best time to play them..

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Say Boston loose their game tomorrow, they ll stay at 94 pts with ottawa, but then ottawa will be 6th instead of 7th because they won more games, so we might play boston and Ovi vs Ottawa?
It would all depend on what we do after.If we lose tomorrow,I expect the Pens to rest players and the Flyers to win the game and pass Boston and take 7th place

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MTL-WIN BOS-WIN PHI-LOS MTL=2 7th=Ottawa 8th=Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-WIN BOS-WIN PHI-OTL MTL=2 7th=Ottawa 8th=Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-WIN BOS-WIN PHI-OTW MTL=1 7th=Philly 8th=Ottawa Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-WIN BOS-WIN PHI-WIN MTL=1 7th=Philly 8th=Ottawa Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-WIN BOS-OTL PHI-LOS MTL=2 7th=Ottawa 8th=Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-WIN BOS-OTL PHI-OTL MTL=2 7th=Ottawa 8th=Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-WIN BOS-OTL PHI-OTW MTL=1 7th=Philly 8th=Ottawa Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-WIN BOS-OTL PHI-WIN MTL=1 7th=Philly 8th=Ottawa Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-WIN BOS-LOS PHI-LOS MTL=2 7th=Boston 8th=Philly Montreal vs Boston
MTL-WIN BOS-LOS PHI-OTL MTL=2 7th=Boston 8th=Philly Montreal vs Boston
MTL-WIN BOS-LOS PHI-OTW MTL=1 7th=Ottawa 8th=Boston Montreal vs Boston
MTL-WIN BOS-LOS PHI-WIN MTL=1 7th=Ottawa 8th=Boston Montreal vs Boston
MTL-OTL BOS-WIN PHI-LOS MTL=2 7th=Ottawa 8th=Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-OTL BOS-WIN PHI-OTL MTL=2 7th=Ottawa 8th=Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-OTL BOS-WIN PHI-OTW MTL=2 7th=Philly 8th=Ottawa Montreal vs Philly
MTL-OTL BOS-WIN PHI-WIN MTL=1 7th=Philly 8th=Ottawa Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-OTL BOS-OTL PHI-LOS MTL=2 7th=Ottawa 8th=Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-OTL BOS-OTL PHI-OTL MTL=2 7th=Ottawa 8th=Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-OTL BOS-OTL PHI-OTW MTL=2 7th=Philly 8th=Ottawa Montreal vs Philly
MTL-OTL BOS-OTL PHI-WIN MTL=1 7th=Philly 8th=Ottawa Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-OTL BOS-LOS PHI-LOS MTL=2 7th=Boston 8th=Philly Montreal vs Boston
MTL-OTL BOS-LOS PHI-OTL MTL=2 7th=Boston 8th=Philly Montreal vs Boston
MTL-OTL BOS-LOS PHI-OTW MTL=2 7th=Ottawa 8th=Boston Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-OTL BOS-LOS PHI-WIN MTL=1 7th=Ottawa 8th=Boston Montreal vs Boston
MTL-LOS BOS-WIN PHI-LOS MTL=2 7th=Ottawa 8th=Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-LOS BOS-WIN PHI-OTL MTL=2 7th=Ottawa 8th=Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-LOS BOS-WIN PHI-OTW MTL=2 7th=Philly 8th=Ottawa Montreal vs Philly
MTL-LOS BOS-WIN PHI-WIN MTL=2 7th=Philly 8th=Ottawa Montreal vs Philly
MTL-LOS BOS-OTL PHI-LOS MTL=2 7th=Ottawa 8th=Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-LOS BOS-OTL PHI-OTL MTL=2 7th=Ottawa 8th=Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-LOS BOS-OTL PHI-OTW MTL=2 7th=Philly 8th=Ottawa Montreal vs Philly
MTL-LOS BOS-OTL PHI-WIN MTL=2 7th=Philly 8th=Ottawa Montreal vs Philly
MTL-LOS BOS-LOS PHI-LOS MTL=2 7th=Boston 8th=Philly Montreal vs Boston
MTL-LOS BOS-LOS PHI-OTL MTL=2 7th=Boston 8th=Philly Montreal vs Boston
MTL-LOS BOS-LOS PHI-OTW MTL=2 7th=Ottawa 8th=Boston Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-LOS BOS-LOS PHI-WIN MTL=2 7th=Ottawa 8th=Boston Montreal vs Ottawa

Probabilities:
Montreal vs Ottawa 21/36 = 58.3%
Montreal vs Boston 9/36 = 25.0%
Montreal vs Philly 6/36 = 16.7%



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MTL-WIN BOS-WIN PHI-LOS MTL = 2 7th= Ottawa 8th= Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-WIN BOS-WIN PHI-OTL MTL = 2 7th= Ottawa 8th= Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-WIN BOS-WIN PHI-OTW MTL = 1 7th= Philly 8th= Ottawa Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-WIN BOS-WIN PHI-WIN MTL = 1 7th= Philly 8th= Ottawa Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-WIN BOS-OTL PHI-LOS MTL = 2 7th= Ottawa 8th= Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-WIN BOS-OTL PHI-OTL MTL = 2 7th= Ottawa 8th= Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-WIN BOS-OTL PHI-OTW MTL = 1 7th= Philly 8th= Ottawa Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-WIN BOS-OTL PHI-WIN MTL = 1 7th= Philly 8th= Ottawa Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-WIN BOS-LOS PHI-LOS MTL = 2 7th= Boston 8th= Philly Montreal vs Boston
MTL-WIN BOS-LOS PHI-OTL MTL = 2 7th= Boston 8th= Philly Montreal vs Boston
MTL-WIN BOS-LOS PHI-OTW MTL = 1 7th= Ottawa 8th= Boston Montreal vs Boston
MTL-WIN BOS-LOS PHI-WIN MTL = 1 7th= Ottawa 8th= Boston Montreal vs Boston
MTL-OTL BOS-WIN PHI-LOS MTL = 2 7th= Ottawa 8th= Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-OTL BOS-WIN PHI-OTL MTL = 2 7th= Ottawa 8th= Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-OTL BOS-WIN PHI-OTW MTL = 2 7th= Philly 8th= Ottawa Montreal vs Philly
MTL-OTL BOS-WIN PHI-WIN MTL = 1 7th= Philly 8th= Ottawa Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-OTL BOS-OTL PHI-LOS MTL = 2 7th= Ottawa 8th= Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-OTL BOS-OTL PHI-OTL MTL = 2 7th= Ottawa 8th= Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-OTL BOS-OTL PHI-OTW MTL = 2 7th= Philly 8th= Ottawa Montreal vs Philly
MTL-OTL BOS-OTL PHI-WIN MTL = 1 7th= Philly 8th= Ottawa Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-OTL BOS-LOS PHI-LOS MTL = 2 7th= Boston 8th= Philly Montreal vs Boston
MTL-OTL BOS-LOS PHI-OTL MTL = 2 7th= Boston 8th= Philly Montreal vs Boston
MTL-OTL BOS-LOS PHI-OTW MTL = 2 7th= Ottawa 8th= Boston Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-OTL BOS-LOS PHI-WIN MTL = 1 7th= Ottawa 8th= Boston Montreal vs Boston
MTL-LOS BOS-WIN PHI-LOS MTL = 2 7th= Ottawa 8th= Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-LOS BOS-WIN PHI-OTL MTL = 2 7th= Ottawa 8th= Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-LOS BOS-WIN PHI-OTW MTL = 2 7th= Philly 8th= Ottawa Montreal vs Philly
MTL-LOS BOS-WIN PHI-WIN MTL = 2 7th= Philly 8th= Ottawa Montreal vs Philly
MTL-LOS BOS-OTL PHI-LOS MTL = 2 7th= Ottawa 8th= Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-LOS BOS-OTL PHI-OTL MTL = 2 7th= Ottawa 8th= Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-LOS BOS-OTL PHI-OTW MTL = 2 7th= Philly 8th= Ottawa Montreal vs Philly
MTL-LOS BOS-OTL PHI-WIN MTL = 2 7th= Philly 8th= Ottawa Montreal vs Philly
MTL-LOS BOS-LOS PHI-LOS MTL = 2 7th= Boston 8th= Philly Montreal vs Boston
MTL-LOS BOS-LOS PHI-OTL MTL = 2 7th= Boston 8th= Philly Montreal vs Boston
MTL-LOS BOS-LOS PHI-OTW MTL = 2 7th= Ottawa 8th= Boston Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-LOS BOS-LOS PHI-WIN MTL = 2 7th= Ottawa 8th= Boston Montreal vs Ottawa


I might kill you..

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MTL-WIN BOS-WIN PHI-LOS MTL=2 7th=Ottawa 8th=Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-WIN BOS-WIN PHI-OTL MTL=2 7th=Ottawa 8th=Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-WIN BOS-WIN PHI-OTW MTL=1 7th=Philly 8th=Ottawa Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-WIN BOS-WIN PHI-WIN MTL=1 7th=Philly 8th=Ottawa Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-WIN BOS-OTL PHI-LOS MTL=2 7th=Ottawa 8th=Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-WIN BOS-OTL PHI-OTL MTL=2 7th=Ottawa 8th=Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-WIN BOS-OTL PHI-OTW MTL=1 7th=Philly 8th=Ottawa Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-WIN BOS-OTL PHI-WIN MTL=1 7th=Philly 8th=Ottawa Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-WIN BOS-LOS PHI-LOS MTL=2 7th=Boston 8th=Philly Montreal vs Boston
MTL-WIN BOS-LOS PHI-OTL MTL=2 7th=Boston 8th=Philly Montreal vs Boston
MTL-WIN BOS-LOS PHI-OTW MTL=1 7th=Ottawa 8th=Boston Montreal vs Boston
MTL-WIN BOS-LOS PHI-WIN MTL=1 7th=Ottawa 8th=Boston Montreal vs Boston
MTL-OTL BOS-WIN PHI-LOS MTL=2 7th=Ottawa 8th=Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-OTL BOS-WIN PHI-OTL MTL=2 7th=Ottawa 8th=Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-OTL BOS-WIN PHI-OTW MTL=2 7th=Philly 8th=Ottawa Montreal vs Philly
MTL-OTL BOS-WIN PHI-WIN MTL=1 7th=Philly 8th=Ottawa Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-OTL BOS-OTL PHI-LOS MTL=2 7th=Ottawa 8th=Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-OTL BOS-OTL PHI-OTL MTL=2 7th=Ottawa 8th=Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-OTL BOS-OTL PHI-OTW MTL=2 7th=Philly 8th=Ottawa Montreal vs Philly
MTL-OTL BOS-OTL PHI-WIN MTL=1 7th=Philly 8th=Ottawa Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-OTL BOS-LOS PHI-LOS MTL=2 7th=Boston 8th=Philly Montreal vs Boston
MTL-OTL BOS-LOS PHI-OTL MTL=2 7th=Boston 8th=Philly Montreal vs Boston
MTL-OTL BOS-LOS PHI-OTW MTL=2 7th=Ottawa 8th=Boston Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-OTL BOS-LOS PHI-WIN MTL=1 7th=Ottawa 8th=Boston Montreal vs Boston
MTL-LOS BOS-WIN PHI-LOS MTL=2 7th=Ottawa 8th=Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-LOS BOS-WIN PHI-OTL MTL=2 7th=Ottawa 8th=Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-LOS BOS-WIN PHI-OTW MTL=2 7th=Philly 8th=Ottawa Montreal vs Philly
MTL-LOS BOS-WIN PHI-WIN MTL=2 7th=Philly 8th=Ottawa Montreal vs Philly
MTL-LOS BOS-OTL PHI-LOS MTL=2 7th=Ottawa 8th=Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-LOS BOS-OTL PHI-OTL MTL=2 7th=Ottawa 8th=Philly Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-LOS BOS-OTL PHI-OTW MTL=2 7th=Philly 8th=Ottawa Montreal vs Philly
MTL-LOS BOS-OTL PHI-WIN MTL=2 7th=Philly 8th=Ottawa Montreal vs Philly
MTL-LOS BOS-LOS PHI-LOS MTL=2 7th=Boston 8th=Philly Montreal vs Boston
MTL-LOS BOS-LOS PHI-OTL MTL=2 7th=Boston 8th=Philly Montreal vs Boston
MTL-LOS BOS-LOS PHI-OTW MTL=2 7th=Ottawa 8th=Boston Montreal vs Ottawa
MTL-LOS BOS-LOS PHI-WIN MTL=2 7th=Ottawa 8th=Boston Montreal vs Ottawa

Probabilities:
Montreal vs Ottawa 21/36 = 58.3%
Montreal vs Boston 9/36 = 25.0%
Montreal vs Philly 6/36 = 16.7%


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Probabilities:
Montreal vs Ottawa 21/36 = 58.3%
Montreal vs Boston 9/36 = 25.0%
Montreal vs Philly 6/36 = 16.7%


There are a couple of critical flaws in your math that discredit these probability results....

1) You incorrectly assume that each potential outcome for each game has a 25% chance of happening.... 25% chance home team wins in reg, 25% home team in OT; 25% visitor in OT; 25% visitor in regulation..... Since 3pt games are more rare than 2 pt games, this math is flawed as it does not account for the fact that scenarios with 2 pt games are more likely than 3pt games. Your probability should be weighted accordingly.

2) You also assume the two teams playing in any given game are exactly equal and have a 50% chance of winning any game.... This is also not correct, and your probability calculation does not put any weight on this.

As a result these results are basically worthless..... as the percentages can in no way be taken to be a correct probability... You have to have a weighted average of some type.

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There are a couple of critical flaws in your math that discredit these probability results....

1) You incorrectly assume that each potential outcome for each game has a 25% chance of happening.... 25% chance home team wins in reg, 25% home team in OT; 25% visitor in OT; 25% visitor in regulation..... Since 3pt games are more rare than 2 pt games, this math is flawed as it does not account for the fact that scenarios with 2 pt games are more likely than 3pt games. Your probability should be weighted accordingly.

2) You also assume the two teams playing in any given game are exactly equal and have a 50% chance of winning any game.... This is also not correct, and your probability calculation does not put any weight on this.

As a result these results are basically worthless..... as the percentages can in no way be taken to be a correct probability... You have to have a weighted average of some type.
It still gives a pretty good idea of the team we'll get. Not accurate, but it can never be when you talk about game probabilities.

Anyways, let's just wait 2 days and we'll know

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That's right, those are numbers based purely on the number of scenarios that produce the given outcome. Since not all scenarios are equally probably, the probabilities of occurrence are not correct.

Fun times...

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There are a couple of critical flaws in your math that discredit these probability results....

1) You incorrectly assume that each potential outcome for each game has a 25% chance of happening.... 25% chance home team wins in reg, 25% home team in OT; 25% visitor in OT; 25% visitor in regulation..... Since 3pt games are more rare than 2 pt games, this math is flawed as it does not account for the fact that scenarios with 2 pt games are more likely than 3pt games. Your probability should be weighted accordingly.

2) You also assume the two teams playing in any given game are exactly equal and have a 50% chance of winning any game.... This is also not correct, and your probability calculation does not put any weight on this.

As a result these results are basically worthless..... as the percentages can in no way be taken to be a correct probability... You have to have a weighted average of some type.
i agree with your 1st point but not your 2nd one. Too many variables go into deciding who is favorite to win a game, assuming 50-50 is the best way to do this.

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i agree with your 1st point but not your 2nd one. Too many variables go into deciding who is favorite to win a game, assuming 50-50 is the best way to do this.
I agree its nearly impossible to come up with a correct figure for how to weight each game and takes a ton of time and effort.... That is why most people who do these types of analyses use 50-50... it really is the best method to use. However it still needs to be pointed out that the 50-50 scenario is one that is not likely to be correct, and I am pointing this out. Any potential source of error should be pointed out when reporting scientific results; even if that potential source of error is difficult or impossible to eliminate.... The mere fact that it exists should not be hidden from those viewing the results of the experiment or calculation.

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I agree its nearly impossible to come up with a correct figure for how to weight each game and takes a ton of time and effort.... That is why most people who do these types of analyses use 50-50... it really is the best method to use. However it still needs to be pointed out that the 50-50 scenario is one that is not likely to be correct, and I am pointing this out.
But mathematically every team has 50% chance of winning a game. It's just what they decide to do with that 50%, and this we can't predict.

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But mathematically every team has 50% chance of winning a game. It's just what they decide to do with that 50%, and this we can't predict.
This is such weird statement.

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But mathematically every team has 50% chance of winning a game. It's just what they decide to do with that 50%, and this we can't predict.
Thats night entirely true.... This is an extreme example.... If I took a team of 6 year olds just learning to skate and I played them against the Montreal Canadiens... I think the Habs have a 100% chance of winning..... They could play 100 times on 100 different days and the results would be the same, even in a scenario where everyplayer on the the 6 year olds play there best game ever and every player on the habs plays their worst game ever, the habs would still win....

To extend this theme to our scenario detroit has better than 50% chance of beating the LA kings.... even if more players on detroit have a game than is relatively worse than their average game then the number of players on the kings who do the same; their still exists scenarios where despite the better play relative to the norm of the LA Kings vs the Detroit Redwings quality of play relative to their norm; that still result in Detroit wins..... This is because Detroit is more talented than LA... such that there talent level may be enough to win, despite the bad game they play.

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One only needs to look at a Stat that the number 1 seed in March Madness has never lost to a number 16.... These are both teams from the NCAA right?? So each should have an equal chance to win.... yet #1 seeds have won 100% of games played against #16 seeds. We see in a sample size that includes 4 games per tournament and 25 years of the 64 man tournament, over 100 games and not one number one seed has lost. If the probabilities of winning any one game are indeed equal then we are witnessing history people.... The chances of flipping a coin 100 times; and getting heads every time are astronaumical, yet this is the result we see in the NCAA tournament..... It is obvious that our "hypothetical coin" which in this scenario is any 1 vs 16 matchup in any NCAA tournament is weighted and it does not support the conclusion that each team has an equal chance of winning at the start of any given game.

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were probably playing ottawa 1st round

the only way we dont play ottawa is if we lose to the leafs and then philly beats pittsburgh

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Um... Boston could lose.. and the Sens would finish 6th (assuming Philly loses).

There are still a bunch of scenarios.

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