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04-06-2008, 12:13 PM
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thoughts about the series

ok, the euphoria of simply making the playoffs should be starting to wear off for most people by now... now is the time to begin thinking about the first series, and how and if this team could pull off a miracle type upset.

the season series was about as close as you can get.. 3-3-2 from our perspective of course... 19 goals scored, 20 goals allowed.... the team that scored the first goal wound up winning 6 of the 8 games, a little lower percentage than the entire seson, but still a huge indicator of who's going to win more times than not.

scoring by period against each other this year;
1st period... preds 6, wings 7
2nd period.. preds 4, wings 9
3rd period... preds 9, wings 3
OT period.... preds 0, wings 1
so, we've played them very even in the first, have sucked in the second (as we have against eveyone), and then dominated the third... part of the reason we've been so strong against them in the third admittedly was several of the games where they held big leads heading into the third and we fought back to make it close, but it's still been a general trend.

detroit has outshot us badly all year. in fact they outshot us in all 8 games, 6 of those games by 7 shots or more. overall they have averaged 36.5 shots per game against us, while we've only averaged 26.7 against them. (292 shots compared to 214). which lets you know, we simply have to get great goaltending to have a chance against this team, becuase they're going to get more shots, probably lots more. of course, this shot discrepancy is a little misleading i think, in that we have done a great job of keeping them to the outside and forcing low percentage perimeter shots against them even strength.. tons of their shots have come on their pp's against us honestly, we've simply not been able to stop them form entering the zone and getting set up with our pk all year really.

on the bright side, we've fairly well dominated the wings all year ever strength. we've outscored them 13-6 five on five. here's a goal breakdown by all types in the eight games;
4-on-4.. preds 0, wings 2
5-on-5.. preds 13, wings 6
5-on-4pp.. preds 4, wings 7
5-on-3pp... preds 0, wings 3
empty netters.. preds 1, wings 1
penalty shots.. preds 0, wings 1
4-on-5sh... preds 1, wings 0

...shows we must make them play us even strength. do that, and we have a chance.
...note how they've killed us on the pp. 10 pp goals in 8 games.
...note the 3 5-on-3 goals they've scored against us. critical thing for us to avoid of course.

special teams favor them heavily of course. they're 10 for 53 against us on the pp, 18.9%. while we're only 4 for 45 against them, only 8.9%. we have the only shortie, but they have killed us all year with their pp... note they've averaging more than 6.5 pp's per game against us. something we have to reduce in this series to have a chance...

of course, they draw so many pp's because they put so much pressure on us with their puck control. when a team is generating 36.5 shots per game against you, you're probably going to be forced to take some penalties. and the tremendous ease that they've gained the zone on their pp is what has caused us to take many 5 on 3 penalties as well.. add int he fact, that some of our main penalty killers, like smithson and nichol are very penalty prone, and you're playing with a loaded weapon here against their pp.

as a team, we're heavily to the plus side in plus/minus against these guys even strength.. player by player our plus/minus against them to identify trends;
forwards;
erat +4, arnott +5, radulov +2, legwand +3 (4 games)
nichol +1, hlavec, +1, tootoo +1, fiddler even, dumont +1
...note bonk is our only minus forward at -3

d-men;
hamhuis +3, zanon +4, weber +3, devries +3
zidlicky even, suter -2

as a team we're a total of +30 against them this year thanks to our even strength dominance. note zetterberg is a -5 against us.

our leading scorers against them, are pretty much as one would expect;
erat 8 points (4g/4a)
radulov 7 points (4g/3a)
dumont 7 points (2g/5a)
arnott 6 points (1g/5a)
we certainly need more goal scoring from arnott and dumont than this in this series however.

against us;
franson 8 points (6g/2a)
datysuk 6 points (3g/3a)
hudler 6 points (2g/4a)
zetterberg 5 points (1g/4a)
so we've done a good job on zetterberg, yet franson has killed us.

will start trying to think of how we best approach these guys and how we have to play over the next few days

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04-06-2008, 12:17 PM
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Initiate & Don't Retaliate
Stay Out Of The ****in' Box
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They will get their 6 PPs a night. They will score PPG. We have to score on the powerplay as well, or this series will be over quickly. We can compete ES. The key is to get those timely goals on the PP to keep us in, drive the nail in the coffin, or to put us back in the game. Lets HOPE that our PP suddenly finds life....

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04-07-2008, 12:28 AM
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Someone please, please, please wake up Radulov's goal scoring ability again. He has 2 goals in the last 20 games and they were both in the same game (although it was against Detroit).



Stay disciplined.
Don't panic if we get scored on, because we will.
Score on the PP.
Score at least 3 goals per game.
Don't sleep through the second.
Stay out of the box.
Tighter defense.
Don't get frustrated if we feel the officials aren't calling it even.
Shoot, shoot, shoot. Don't always look for the pass, take a chance and shoot sometimes.
Don't be afraid of using a wrist shot. You don't have time to wind up for the slap shot.
Remember that NO ONE is giving us a chance so get mad and take it out on them.
Like that little kid in the commercials, The story ends with us putting them into the wall!

Relax, have fun out there. We're in the playoffs, and anything can happen!

LET'S GO PREDS!!!

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04-07-2008, 07:53 AM
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Well honestly the pressure is all on Detroit, no one expects us to win. Heck I don't. We are the 8th seed, just eeked into the post season. We have a merry go round in net, Ellis was just pulled the other night for the millionth time... Radulov has been colder than an icicle. We won't have Legwand.

But we have some wild cards, Dumont has been clutch in the playoffs, Hlavac was a fantastic pickup (never woulda thunk that) Peverly I think has played really well. Ellis does have the best sv % of all goalies.

If the refs are whistle happy we will probably lose and quickly at that. If not we may can get a lucky bounce and win in 7.

Either way I am proud of this team, after all the crap of the off season they battled and kept playing hard and here we are in the post season for the 4th straight year.

Let's go Preds!

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04-07-2008, 09:33 AM
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Radulov and Dumont will be our money offensive players.

Weber and Suter will have to be our money defensive players.

If Ellis or Mason falter, it will not matter.....

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My biggest thought...

This team is much better suited for the post-season than last years squad.

Even though we're less talented, we also rely less on "soft" players that tend to get shut down in the playoffs. (#9-type)

In other words, we may be short on firepower, but we're long on heart.

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In other words, we may be short on firepower, but we're long on heart.
Are you implying that the Predators have more heart than Detroit?

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04-07-2008, 10:43 AM
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Radulov = cold
Franzen = hottest player in the NHL

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Are you implying that the Predators have more heart than Detroit?
I didn't say anything of the sort, I was talking about MY team on the PREDATORS board.

Anything else is simply being created by your own paranoia.

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Are you implying that the Predators have more heart than Detroit?
How did you get this from his post?

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I didn't say anything of the sort, I was talking about MY team on the PREDATORS board.

Anything else is simply being created by your own paranoia.
Wasn't sure so I asked. A bit defensive? Sheesh. I'm sorry if my question came across as threatening or inflammatory.

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How did you get this from his post?
I wasn't sure, which is why I asked. See above apology.

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I think the idea is that we have succeeded by the merit of our "heart" this season as opposed to outright talent. Detroit has talent to spare.

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I think the idea is that we have succeeded by the merit of our "heart" this season as opposed to outright talent. Detroit has talent to spare.
yep...you got it!

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Your Preds ES stats against the wings is impressive!

But I hope the Predators get a lot of penalties, Franzen or Holmström (when he's healthy) will get some goals on you from tips and rebounds, the more chances on PP they get the more they will score. I expect garabage goals will determine this series

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Is Holmstrom gonna play?

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yes, he'll be there.

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This will be a good series.

I am happy that we ended up with nashville. I think we would have an easier time with Calgary, but I love the early starts.

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Is Holmstrom gonna play?
Recieved a cortozone shot ( sorry for spelling ) In the groin. From what i hear they last two weeks. So if he's not at tip top shape it could tighten up after the two weeks. So basically unless something drastic happens in the series, he should be okay for the full series against Nashville.

Frazen has stepped up big in his place now and with cleary healthy, Detroit will have three regulars in front of the net. Occasional McCarty if he get's the minutes. So look for Franzen at the net on one powerplay unit and Holmstrom on the other in front of Ellis or Mason.


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My biggest thought...

This team is much better suited for the post-season than last years squad.

Even though we're less talented, we also rely less on "soft" players that tend to get shut down in the playoffs. (#9-type)

In other words, we may be short on firepower, but we're long on heart.
If Nashville plays with heart you guys got a good chance in beating Detroit...

If you want proof look at the Shark vs Detroit series of '94. Sharks had ZERO talent compared to detroit that year and came out with a win.

All i have to say is good luck. Hope to see you guys in the second round!

From there i won't be able to cheer for you being a long time sharks fan

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god i am pumped to play Detroit rather than San Jose, not that i think it'll be any easier just that its a change! plus nothing like testing yourself against the best, lets go Preds!

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I'm fine with the haters saying the Wings will walk over us in 4 or god forbid 5 games. Let us be the underdog.

And while I don't recall the makeup of the Kings 2000-2001 team (perhaps a Kings fan that passes by and reads this would be so kind as to help) I do remember the Kings being the 7th seed playing the Wings, going down 2 games to 0 only to come back and win the next 4 and oust the Wings out of the playoffs in the first round.

It's the playoffs, anything can happen, let's go Preds

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i don't see the wings walking over the preds....on that note...Good luck...!

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Should be a great series! Good luck to the Preds..... though not to much. Rather, actually, I don't want them to have any luck. So, I rescind my luck wishing remark and replace it with an invitation to the Nashville roster to meet me on the links for some quality golfing.

Good Luck! Errrr, damn, I mean Go Wings!

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Should be a great series! Good luck to the Preds..... though not to much. Rather, actually, I don't want them to have any luck. So, I rescind my luck wishing remark and replace it with an invitation to the Nashville roster to meet me on the links for some quality golfing.

Good Luck! Errrr, damn, I mean Go Wings!
Cool, you guys go ahead and get the tee time, we'll catch you on the back nine, in June

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