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03-27-2008, 02:58 PM
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Bulldogs demise

Has any one team went from winning the AHL crown one year to sucking so large the next? It's really a rare dog sighting when Hamilton wins a game these days.

I know Price has been in Montreal much of the year, but is that the main difference??

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03-27-2008, 03:47 PM
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Not only price! They lost price,obyrne,grabovski,a.kostitsyn,s.kostitsyn,lap ierre,benoit,jancevski, and maybe im missing others

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Not only price! They lost price,obyrne,grabovski,a.kostitsyn,s.kostitsyn,lap ierre,benoit,jancevski, and maybe im missing others
Life in the AHL is like that. Since 2000, four teams have followed up Cup years with sub-80 point seasons. Your good kids move up, the vets move on, and you start over. Hang in there.

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03-27-2008, 04:15 PM
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Exactly next year hamilton will get the next generation of futur habs with the like of jt wyman, ben maxwell, ryan white, yannick weber and maybe max pacioretty + you had this year rookie trotter,valentenko and carle

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Has any one team went from winning the AHL crown one year to sucking so large the next? It's really a rare dog sighting when Hamilton wins a game these days.

I know Price has been in Montreal much of the year, but is that the main difference??
yikes! it's not that bad. A month ago the team was fighting for 2nd in the division with the moose, but then they lost their starter, top forward and top defensemen, from there they have gone on to lose 8 in a row while 2 other teams they were fighting with for the playoffs have gone on to win 9 in a row. The Dogs look like they have packed it in, next year they should have some good looking rookies in Ryan White, Ben Maxwell, JT Wyman and Yannick Weber. But without goaltending, it's going to be more of the same next year.

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03-27-2008, 11:44 PM
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Life in the AHL is like that. Since 2000, four teams have followed up Cup years with sub-80 point seasons. Your good kids move up, the vets move on, and you start over. Hang in there.
Except if you are the NJ Devils AHL team. Then there is no hope to ever see a good team hit the ice!!

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03-28-2008, 07:41 AM
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Except if you are the NJ Devils AHL team. Then there is no hope to ever see a good team hit the ice!!
Actually the Devils AHL teams were quite good in the mid-90's (Calder Cup champions in 94-95).

On the other hand, that statement can be made for Tampa and Phoenix (as the Rampage are playing true to form in their late season collapse that may cost them a playoff spot).

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03-28-2008, 03:21 PM
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Actually the Devils AHL teams were quite good in the mid-90's (Calder Cup champions in 94-95).

On the other hand, that statement can be made for Tampa and Phoenix (as the Rampage are playing true to form in their late season collapse that may cost them a playoff spot).
The mid 90's was a while ago!! Let's go for some recent history!! As for SA, they had a bunch get called up earlier and have not been the same since. Also Houston is playing a lot better.

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Price was only a member of the team at the end of the year. Most of Montreal's prospects are with the big team (excluding college and junior)

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The mid 90's was a while ago!! Let's go for some recent history!! As for SA, they had a bunch get called up earlier and have not been the same since. Also Houston is playing a lot better.
C'mon, at least I didn't say the 80's!

Yes, SA has been affected by callups, but I also think that the trade that sent LeNeveu and Gratton to Hartford didn't help either.

Can we agree that being a Tampa affiliate is basically a death sentence for their AHL affiliate?

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03-29-2008, 06:27 AM
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C'mon, at least I didn't say the 80's!

Yes, SA has been affected by callups, but I also think that the trade that sent LeNeveu and Gratton to Hartford didn't help either.

Can we agree that being a Tampa affiliate is basically a death sentence for their AHL affiliate?
Easily!! And, prior to this year, being it for Phoenix was as well. an in recent history, same for NJD!

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03-30-2008, 11:04 AM
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Lots depends on your organization. The parent club feeds you the bulk of your guys but teams like the IHL ones can scout and sign their own guys when the parent club runs dry.

The Manitoba Moose have gone through 50 hockey players this year (that was as of 2 weeks ago).

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I seriously doubt the former IHL teams have lost their advantage of signing players on their own w/ o prior aproval of the parent club.

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I seriously doubt the former IHL teams have lost their advantage of signing players on their own w/ o prior aproval of the parent club.

The Manitoba Moose have their own scouting staff. The Canucks benefit because they have an inside track to sign any such player if he pans out. Examples are Rick Rypien, Alex Burrows, and Jason Jaffray.

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I seriously doubt the former IHL teams have lost their advantage of signing players on their own w/ o prior aproval of the parent club.
Well, I don't think it was an advantage. And, of the former IHL teams, one is now owned by the NHL team, one went belly up. And looking at the list of players on AHL contracts for teams out east, I am not sure of what advantage you speak. It surely is not the advantage of ebing able to sign numerous players as there are many teams out there with 6 or 7 players on an AHL contract. Perhaps they sign better talent?

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03-31-2008, 12:47 PM
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The Manitoba Moose have their own scouting staff. The Canucks benefit because they have an inside track to sign any such player if he pans out. Examples are Rick Rypien, Alex Burrows, and Jason Jaffray.
so are they paid by the Canucks, Hollywood

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so are they paid by the Canucks, Hollywood
No. The Moose have their own scouting staff in addition to the Canuck scouts. I know at least one is a local junior coach/administrator for several years running with a lot of connections etc.

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Not only price! They lost price,obyrne,grabovski,a.kostitsyn,s.kostitsyn,lap ierre,benoit,jancevski, and maybe im missing others
You forgot Halak.

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The Bulldogs home schedule ends with 4 games in 7 nights. With the ticket price increase, questionable team of youth coming in and other issues, a good performance in these 4 games might go a long way towards swaying a lot of season ticket holder who are sitting on the fence for renewal next year.

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Yes, raising ticket prices is the best thing to do right now...especially with a recession coming. :rollseyes:

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04-11-2008, 03:29 PM
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In fairness HECFI controls everything to do with tickets this season.

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04-19-2008, 02:58 AM
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Biggest need will be a goalie... Montreal needs someone who can be an AHL #1 and a third stringer incase of injuries to price or halak. a journeyman in the Leighton, Clemmense on, Aubin mold will be signed...

I really think Danis is gone.

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