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02-09-2004, 10:56 PM
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DW take notes from Clarke on trading!

The man knows how to pull the trigger on making trades! (THAT"S CLARKE NOT DW).Here in Atlanta Thrasherville, we're panning for gold hopeing to find a small nugget here or there. DW could be wasteing our time and money as he stakes a claim wishing for gold here.

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For what reason, to learn how to make bad trades? Or better yet to learn that trying to trade your way out of a problem isn't always the answer. Maybe Clarke is thinking that if he makes enough trades, they'll eventually balance out the bad ones he always seems to have.

Face it, Philly has so many more resources than we do. In money, in current players, in prospects and depth; the list goes on. They can try it, I don't think we even have that option. This is apples and oranges here, the situations in Philadelphia and Atlanta are completely different. They are an older team with more resources, trying to win now is their priority. We are a younger team with few resources, who needs to keep the basic core intact so we can have the possibility of winning down the road.

Unless of course you want DW to trade just for the sake of change, in hopes that change might jumpstart the team towards the playoffs. For me, I'd rather have Atlanta keep the few resourses and lower payroll we have now so that we have a shot in the future. Much better to me than making a big move or two and expending precious commodities, trying to scratch back into the playoffs with the likelihood of a first round exit (if we get into the playoffs at all).

I waited 20 years for Atlanta to get another team, and have now watched this one lose for five years since. I want them to win as bad as anyone, but I have the patience to wait. I'd much rather see them contend for many years instead of just taking a shot at it once.

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I generally agree with CW, but I would add that DW is too conservative for my tastes.

Who really knows what trades are available to him so I will not criticize his lack of movement. But I will point out that his drafting record is mediocre. Except for the obvious choices, his 2nd and 3rd rounders have been safe choices with little chance of panning out. He traded a #2 for majesky. I didn't like it then and I still don't like it now. There were a bunch of top prospects available that I think could have better served the organization longer term.

The organization needs a bit of a jump start charge here and DW could provide one with a good deal. But not with the core assets! Or else, pretty soon we'll see DW move vets and UFAs at the deadline again.

CW is right however: DW does not have the resources to trade like Clarke.

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I do not think Clarke is exactly the person I would want DW to emulate.

For every Comrie deal there have been a couple of stinkers. I am pretty sure Booby was the guy who made Quebec/Colorado a Cup contender with the Lindros trade. He got rid of Cechmanek for nothing, then his response was to bring in Hackett and now Burke(whose last great playoff run was back with NJ in 1988). And there was the Oates trade.

However, DW does need to take more risks. When you make big trades, you also incur big risks. That is something DW has been not willing to do.

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I do not think Clarke is exactly the person I would want DW to emulate.

For every Comrie deal there have been a couple of stinkers. I am pretty sure Booby was the guy who made Quebec/Colorado a Cup contender with the Lindros trade. He got rid of Cechmanek for nothing, then his response was to bring in Hackett and now Burke(whose last great playoff run was back with NJ in 1988).
I think that Clarke wasn't the GM at the time, when Philly traded for Lindros. He helped the Flyers in getting a good return from the Rangers for the Big E. For every crappy Clarke deal there's also a goodie. Look, how he got Pitkanen!

DW should look over the shoulder of Lamarillo (spell?), Burke or Taylor. Maybe the Thrashers would need somebody like a Vice GM and this position could go to former Sharks GM Dean Lombardi. I think that he's available. Lombardi made the Sharks a contender.

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Good points all around so far. Every team makes a bad trade once in a while, you just try to keep them few and far and in between. When it comes to trading your way out of a problem isn't always the answer, well why do you think their trades in the first place. Aquiring an asset to fill a position of need. Philly may have a few more resources than the Thrashers, money yes, prospects depth no. When you have a winning franchise you sell tickets and when you sell more tickets you have deeper pockets in which you can spend. I seriously believe our pool of prospects is much more deeper than Philly has. If anyone of you have had the chance to attend a ChalkTalk given by DW and the Thrashers, I can't count how many times DW has stated that we/teams aquire assets and then we use those assets to develop our team or use them in trades to better our team. "Philly's priority is to win now." Is there a team out there who doesn't want to win? Teams are looking to win know and down the road! Business 101-a good product sales, a bad product does not. A good product that sells usually makes money, a bad product that doesn't sell usually loses money. A good product that sells and makes money usually has a great future. A product that doesn't sell and loses money usually goes out of business or leaves the market place where it's selling. When it comes to RESOURCES(Players, Money), use them to better your team, if not you'll have no resources left.
I echo btn when he says, "when you make big trades, you also incur big risks. That is something DW has been not willing to do." DW's is way to conservative and that's why we have a mediocre team on the ice on it's way to another top 10 draft pick in 2004. I heard thru a source that DW was not at the Belligio casino last night gambling with all the other GMs. What does that tell you?

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For every Comrie deal there have been a couple of stinkers. I am pretty sure Booby was the guy who made Quebec/Colorado a Cup contender with the Lindros trade.
Clarke was not the GM at that time, Jay Snider was.

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Clarke was not the GM at that time, Jay Snider was.
I thought it was Russ Farwell.

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I thought it was Russ Farwell.
He was. Jay Snider was the president. Big Ed retired and when Jay wrecked the team Ed came back.

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I thought it was Russ Farwell.
D-oh, it was Russ Farwell. All those clueless morons tend to blend together after a while.

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Yes, DW is a bit too conservative. Despite my defending him, he has been reluctant to trade at times. Time will tell if this helped or hurt the team, no way we can see it right now.

Remember, we are still a very young and fragile team. Would it really be worth the risk at this point in our very young history to be so aggressive in trade for what would likely be a minimal gain? Everyone's answer will be different of course, but I do think that question is relevant to this point. It's different with teams like the Flyers, Rangers, etc; they are older teams where expectations are to win now and management tries to accomplish just that (feel free to insert Ranger joke here).

The core of Philly is older; their primary concern is winning the Cup in the next year or two before many of their players get too old. They have an eye to the future as every team does, but the bulk of their focus is on the here and now. They will be more aggressive in trade. That's just the way it works.

I still have to believe that my first thoughts on this. The ownership issue and the relatively weak bargaining position due to injuries are as big a factors as any in not being able to trade. For all I know, DW really was burning up the phones trying to get a deal done but he was either handcuffed by money issues, or other GMs were trying to screw him because they knew the team was hurt and he was a bit desperate.

We'll never really know. At this point, I really don't care to. I'm getting a tad bit tired of questioning/defending an issue that I will never know the actual facts of. I hate speculating, absolutely hate it. Mostly, I do believe in what I've said. But a small part of me somehow thinks that all of this posturing is a load of BS. That's a sure-fire sign to me that this little debate can have no clear-cut answer and we'll continue to run around in circles, accomplishing nothing but ticking each other off. So I'll bow out of this one and leave it to the rest of you.

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