I'm a Met fan (ouch) but I don't miss a thing about Shea. Citi Field is nicer in every way imo. What can you possibly miss about it?
No doubt Citi Field is nicer but maybe it's just me but it doesn't feel like home. I liked the atmosphere at Shea as it felt like people were more into the game then they are at Citi. Here, a lot of people are here not to watch the game but to walk around, go to the restaurants, play in the center field area etc etc. At Shea, all there was to do was watch the game and that's the way I like it. Hence the reason why I don't want a new Garden. Higher ticket prices aside, I'm afraid it'll take away from the atmosphere as people will be too busy hanging out in the clubs and doing whatever.
No doubt Citi Field is nicer but maybe it's just me but it doesn't feel like home. I liked the atmosphere at Shea as it felt like people were more into the game then they are at Citi. Here, a lot of people are here not to watch the game but to walk around, go to the restaurants, play in the center field area etc etc. At Shea, all there was to do was watch the game and that's the way I like it. Hence the reason why I don't want a new Garden. Higher ticket prices aside, I'm afraid it'll take away from the atmosphere as people will be too busy hanging out in the clubs and doing whatever.
I think we'll become more attached to Citi when (if? ) we put together a good season. I understand what you're saying though.
No doubt Citi Field is nicer but maybe it's just me but it doesn't feel like home. I liked the atmosphere at Shea as it felt like people were more into the game then they are at Citi. Here, a lot of people are here not to watch the game but to walk around, go to the restaurants, play in the center field area etc etc. At Shea, all there was to do was watch the game and that's the way I like it. Hence the reason why I don't want a new Garden. Higher ticket prices aside, I'm afraid it'll take away from the atmosphere as people will be too busy hanging out in the clubs and doing whatever.
In all fairness I think a lot of people are just taking in all the new sights and sounds. I know I spent quite a bit of time just walking around my two times there this season. Once people become familiar with the stadium they'll probably settle into the games a bit more. That, and as nyr2k2 stated...perhaps once they start sucking a bit less.
Me, I'm just happy the new seats actually face the infield! No more stiff necks from contorting yourself just to see the action.
I like the lighting, I like the arena, I like the whole thing.
I honestly don't want a new arena. A renovation would be more then enough.
If they go through with the renovations that would be fantastic.
I love the current Garden.
Seconded word for word. The lighting is unique. You don't need the whole arena lit up, you should be just watching the ice/court.
And I certainly don't want a new arena. Renovations would be good and I suppose there are parts of the arena that could definitely use it, but I don't anticipate higher ticket prices and a higher version of the blueseats. I like that the current upper deck is like what would be the middle of the arena in most other barns.
Shea Stadium needed to be replaced, as much as it pains me you could even argue that Yankee Stadium probably needed to be updated too, but the Garden is still an outstanding building.
The one thing ive noticed about the Garden is that the lighting is very dim during games. Other arenas are very bright.
Hopefully the new Garden will be as well, and the renderings look amazing.
If you have ever been to a broadway show, the lights in the audience are always turned low, and the lights on the stage are always the brightest. MSG is run the same way. The focus is on the ice, not the audience.
I'm all for loving the old school, but Shea was a dump. Basically a warehouse with a ball field in the middle, no old "charm" to speak of.
Old Shea was a dump. But the fans cared more about the bad Mets there than the fans do at new Shea. Everyone of my Met friends has said this to me. It's not so much the Stadium, but the environment the stadium creates.
Old Shea was a dump. But the fans cared more about the bad Mets there than the fans do at new Shea. Everyone of my Met friends has said this to me. It's not so much the Stadium, but the environment the stadium creates.
And i say the same thing to every one of my friends (and almost all of them agree), so add me to the list. There's obviously no denying that Shea was a dump, but there wasn't a damn thing to do at that place except to go and watch some baseball, which is how it should be. Why go to a ball game to go out and play wiffleball with your kids or play video games? I noticed it from Opening day vs the Padres when david hit that 3-run home run to make it a 5-4 game....it just wasn't very loud, and it hasn't been all year. The atmosphere is just not the same, and to be completely honest, Citi Field is obviously a beautiful park, but as the season has progressed I have begun to see many more con's than pro's.
On topic though, as has been stated already, this is the reason why I'm against a new MSG. I could even go without the renovations, though I'm not necessarily against it either
I don't understand this rendering. Look at the existing upper bowl in yellow... That looks nothing like the present day 400's... So does that mean there's no effort to increase the sight lines of the 400's? I'm assuming "upper bowl" in the rendering does not refer to the 400's... So what are they doing to 'renovate' that area?
My one and only gripe with the Garden (aside from the ridiculous tax on beer) is that they sell full price tickets to paying Customers and they have to sit in their desginated seats with obstructed views by the building and poor visibility of important parts of the ice... Why should their experience have to suffer because of an out of date arena? It's 2009 and our building is looking retro in relation to the other arenas in the league... Time for MSG to get with the program....
And i say the same thing to every one of my friends (and almost all of them agree), so add me to the list. There's obviously no denying that Shea was a dump, but there wasn't a damn thing to do at that place except to go and watch some baseball, which is how it should be. Why go to a ball game to go out and play wiffleball with your kids or play video games? I noticed it from Opening day vs the Padres when david hit that 3-run home run to make it a 5-4 game....it just wasn't very loud, and it hasn't been all year. The atmosphere is just not the same, and to be completely honest, Citi Field is obviously a beautiful park, but as the season has progressed I have begun to see many more con's than pro's.
On topic though, as has been stated already, this is the reason why I'm against a new MSG. I could even go without the renovations, though I'm not necessarily against it either
You couldn't get me to Shea for a regular season game unless you were giving me free box seats to a premier matchup. As far as video games and wiffleball many little kids aren't going to sit in their seats for nearly 3 hours straight so these activities help pass the time. People will get more involved in the game and less distracted by the other attractions once they have been to the park a few times. Right now people are just checking out the new digs. And as mentioned earlier perhaps if the mets didn't suck so badly people would be more interested in the game on the field. I promise you people would pay more attention to the game if the games actually meant something. Just wait until the next post season the Mets are a part of...the atmosphere will be entirely different.
I don't understand this rendering. Look at the existing upper bowl in yellow... That looks nothing like the present day 400's... So does that mean there's no effort to increase the sight lines of the 400's? I'm assuming "upper bowl" in the rendering does not refer to the 400's... So what are they doing to 'renovate' that area?
The current 400s will be razed. After the demolition there will simply be lowers and uppers. At the top of where the current 400s are now there will be things like the "party deck" and "blue seat bar." Below these sections will be the upper luxury boxes and below that the uppers. Below the upper levels will be the mid level suites, and below that the lowers.
Last edited by broadwayblue: 08-25-2009 at 05:47 PM.
The current 400s will be razed. After the demolition there will simply be lowers and uppers. At the top of where the current 400s are now there will be things like the "party deck" and "blue seat bar." Below these sections will be the upper luxury boxes and below that the uppers. Below the upper levels will be the mid level suites, and below that the lowers.
Ya lost me when you got to the bolded part.... So below the upper luxury boxes are the uppers? What the heck are the 'uppers'?
So basically instead of having 4 distinct sections separated by walkways there will only be 2 sections (upper and lower bowls) with the mid level suites in between. You will no longer be able to walk directly between the two bowls from inside the arena.
So basically instead of having 4 distinct sections separated by walkways there will only be 2 sections (upper and lower bowls) with the mid level suites in between. You will no longer be able to walk directly between the two bowls from inside the arena.
Okay that made a ton more sense... Thanks for clearing that up because I was worried for a bit...
You couldn't get me to Shea for a regular season game unless you were giving me free box seats to a premier matchup. As far as video games and wiffleball many little kids aren't going to sit in their seats for nearly 3 hours straight so these activities help pass the time. People will get more involved in the game and less distracted by the other attractions once they have been to the park a few times. Right now people are just checking out the new digs. And as mentioned earlier perhaps if the mets didn't suck so badly people would be more interested in the game on the field. I promise you people would pay more attention to the game if the games actually meant something. Just wait until the next post season the Mets are a part of...the atmosphere will be entirely different.
I think this is what it boils down to. I've been to Citi once. I walked around and checked out the different accouterments, and I probably will a second time. But after that...it's just baseball. Give the Metsies another season or two to break in Citi, and it'll feel just like home.
So basically instead of having 4 distinct sections separated by walkways there will only be 2 sections (upper and lower bowls) with the mid level suites in between. You will no longer be able to walk directly between the two bowls from inside the arena.
Good job describing it. With that said, and I've said this before and I know it sounds like a broken record, how could this possibly be accomplished while the Rangers and Knicks continue to play there? This is a full-scale project that is going to change how the entire arena looks. Not to mention that MSG is a year-round venue that hosts a slew of concerts in the summer as well as the Liberty.
I know the apparent plan is to do things over the course of two summers, but what about the possibility, albeit remote, of either the Rangers and/or Knicks making a deep playoff run into mid-to-late June? That gives you a little under 3 months to do major re-construction work. I just can't see it.
Good job describing it. With that said, and I've said this before and I know it sounds like a broken record, how could this possibly be accomplished while the Rangers and Knicks continue to play there? This is a full-scale project that is going to change how the entire arena looks. Not to mention that MSG is a year-round venue that hosts a slew of concerts in the summer as well as the Liberty.
I know the apparent plan is to do things over the course of two summers, but what about the possibility, albeit remote, of either the Rangers and/or Knicks making a deep playoff run into mid-to-late June? That gives you a little under 3 months to do major re-construction work. I just can't see it.
It's very Do-able, they will do it sections, do the concourses & the Hall ways & than do the seating Areas.
It's very Do-able, they will do it sections, do the concourses & the Hall ways & than do the seating Areas.
That stuff isn't as much of a big deal, but what about turning a seating bowl in which you can walk from the top of the 300's to ice level in about 2 minutes to a 2-tiered arrangement like we see in most arenas around the league? The seats and concourses and stuff like that are one thing, but when you're talking about a restructuring of that size, I personally don't know how it can be done.
That stuff isn't as much of a big deal, but what about turning a seating bowl in which you can walk from the top of the 300's to ice level in about 2 minutes to a 2-tiered arrangement like we see in most arenas around the league? The seats and concourses and stuff like that are one thing, but when you're talking about a restructuring of that size, I personally don't know how it can be done.
I thought I read somewhere that they would do the upper bowl one summer and then the lower bowl the next...or something like that. Perhaps I'm imagining it. But that would just about cut the interior redesign work in half.
I know this is nitpicking but I bet they remove the cushions in the seats and use the generic hard plastic stadium seats that are commonplace in many new arenas. Besides that I think it looks great.
) we put together a good season. I understand what you're saying though.
