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02-13-2004, 01:23 AM
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Montreal-New York proposal

Ok this proposal will probably be considered as ridiculous but i was wondering... since the Rangers love high-priced veterans and they need to improve on defence; since the Canadiens could improve on offence and are seemingly building a decent young club...

How about...

Lundmark for Rivet

And I realize that the timing for this deal is awfull from a Habs perspective (since Souray got injured) but ignore that for a minute... I was just wondering if the value could be anywhere close to fair.

Yes, the Rangers are giving up one of their only young players but it isn't like they are basing their future on their youth. They are aiming to be "contenders" (if that is humanly possible) in the present. As for the big difference in salaries, well NYR can afford it.

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... I was just wondering if the value could be anywhere close to fair.
No. New York could get a better return for Lundmark elsewhere.

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02-13-2004, 05:34 AM
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If the Rangers weren't going to give up...

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Ok this proposal will probably be considered as ridiculous but i was wondering... since the Rangers love high-priced veterans and they need to improve on defence; since the Canadiens could improve on offence and are seemingly building a decent young club...

How about...

Lundmark for Rivet

And I realize that the timing for this deal is awfull from a Habs perspective (since Souray got injured) but ignore that for a minute... I was just wondering if the value could be anywhere close to fair.

Yes, the Rangers are giving up one of their only young players but it isn't like they are basing their future on their youth. They are aiming to be "contenders" (if that is humanly possible) in the present. As for the big difference in salaries, well NYR can afford it.
Lundmark for Burke, why would they trade him for Rivet?

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02-13-2004, 08:03 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by espion
Ok this proposal will probably be considered as ridiculous but i was wondering... since the Rangers love high-priced veterans and they need to improve on defence; since the Canadiens could improve on offence and are seemingly building a decent young club...

How about...

Lundmark for Rivet

And I realize that the timing for this deal is awfull from a Habs perspective (since Souray got injured) but ignore that for a minute... I was just wondering if the value could be anywhere close to fair.

Yes, the Rangers are giving up one of their only young players but it isn't like they are basing their future on their youth. They are aiming to be "contenders" (if that is humanly possible) in the present. As for the big difference in salaries, well NYR can afford it.
i have to agree witht he posters above. there's no way this deal would happen. valuewise or any otherwise. it's a bad trade for the Rags for this season and the future. Rivet is a fine d-man, but i don't think there's a team out there that would give up one of their best young players for him. granted, other teams have better young players, but as far as the meathead brass at the garden goes, Lundmark is it. they have tjutin and jessiman, but neither is close. i strongly doubt either would be moved for rivet also.


besides, montreal needs him now more than ever with sheldon out.

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02-13-2004, 12:09 PM
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i have to agree witht he posters above. there's no way this deal would happen. valuewise or any otherwise. it's a bad trade for the Rags for this season and the future. Rivet is a fine d-man, but i don't think there's a team out there that would give up one of their best young players for him. granted, other teams have better young players, but as far as the meathead brass at the garden goes, Lundmark is it. they have tjutin and jessiman, but neither is close. i strongly doubt either would be moved for rivet also.
Doesn't work for the Habs either. The Habs have excellent depth when it comes to small to medium sized centers at the NHL and prospect level. Lundmark would just further clog it up. Now if Lundmark was 6'4 230lbs and could play a 3rd line two way role, I would love this proposal from a Habs perspective. Lundmark just isn't the right player for the Habs right now, especially at the expense of one of our top 4 d-men, especially with Souray out.

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Doesn't work for the Habs either. The Habs have excellent depth when it comes to small to medium sized centers at the NHL and prospect level. Lundmark would just further clog it up. Now if Lundmark was 6'4 230lbs and could play a 3rd line two way role, I would love this proposal from a Habs perspective. Lundmark just isn't the right player for the Habs right now, especially at the expense of one of our top 4 d-men, especially with Souray out.
Agreed. Your response inspired a thread idea, however.

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proposal Montreal - NYR

I'm not a RAG or HAB fan but...

Mark Messier and a second round pick to Montreal
for
A good prospect[/B] and a fourth rounder.

Emotions aside, does this make sense?

One of hockey's all-time greats is winding down his career on a bad team not headed for the playoffs. Mark Messier. Call him old, but he's still producing. He'd make a tough, inspirational leader, with a continuing solid two way game for the right team.

One of hockey's all-time great franchises- and factually the most successful ever- Montreal, is headed for the playoffs with a solid team, should Sheldon Souray come back in form.

Imagine Mark Messier playing third line centre for the Canadiens. Imagine him winning a cup- almost disgusting but would be fitting in a weird way... Is this sacrilege (maybe in edmonton and possibly in ny) or is it a match made in hockey heaven? I think the latter.

Mark won't cost much in terms of talent from a Montreal perspective. What do you think they would give up to get him?


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Why go with a youngster that can give you 10 very good years when you have a 40-60 chance to reach the Eastern Conference semifinals?

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I'm not a RAG or HAB fan but...

Mark Messier and a second round pick to Montreal
for
Hainsey (or another equal prospect) and a fourth rounder.

Emotions aside, does this make sense?

One of hockey's all-time greats is winding down his career on a bad team not headed for the playoffs. Mark Messier. Call him old, but he's still producing. He'd make a tough, inspirational leader, with a continuing solid two way game for the right team.

One of hockey's all-time great franchises- and factually the most successful ever- Montreal, is headed for the playoffs with a solid team, should Sheldon Souray come back in form.

Imagine Mark Messier playing third line centre for the Canadiens. Imagine him winning a cup- almost disgusting but would be fitting in a weird way... Is this sacrilege (maybe in edmonton and possibly in ny) or is it a match made in hockey heaven? I think the latter.

Mark won't cost much in terms of talent from a Montreal perspective. What do you think they would give up to get him?
oh my God I hope your kidding, this is the worst proposal ever, even the thought of Messier wearing a HAB uniform hurts.

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oh my God I hope your kidding, this is the worst proposal ever, even the thought of Messier wearing a HAB uniform hurts.
I know I know. It's painful. But that's the disgusting, disgraceful and yet somehow compelling part of it.

You can scrap Hainsey. Name someone else...

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Why go with a youngster that can give you 10 very good years when you have a 40-60 chance to reach the Eastern Conference semifinals?
More like 60-40...

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For Messier? The most I would give up is Perreault and a 6th rounder.

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I had to adjust the thread so that people wouldn't fixate on one particular Hab prospect.

I'm just curious what Mess' worth would be to a team that he hasn't been on before. As an aside, now that Arvedsson is out....

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More like 60-40...
Oh.. It seems to be against Toronto, huh? 70-30.

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I had to adjust the thread so that people wouldn't fixate on one particular Hab prospect.

I'm just curious what Mess' worth would be to a team that he hasn't been on before. As an aside, now that Arvedsson is out....
Arvedsson doesn't play for Montreal, as for Vancouver everybody was happy when Messsier left and Naslund emerged as the true leader/top scorer of the team.

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As a habs fan, I wouldn't be against it but take away the prospect and the second rounder:

Messier
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4th round pick.


I mean we only got a 6th rounder from Toronto for Gilmour, and this would be a similiar situation, so...

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Arvedsson doesn't play for Montreal, as for Vancouver everybody was happy when Messsier left and Naslund emerged as the true leader/top scorer of the team.
I know. Arvedsson plays for Vancouver. That's why I mentioned Vancouver after talking about Montreal (a team that Mark's never played for). Vancouver (a team Mark has played for) just lost Arvedsson. That's why I said "as an aside" and is also what the wink is for... Forget it.


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how about Messier to the Avalanche for Brad Larsen? the Rags could use more guys like Brad...

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As a habs fan, I wouldn't be against it but take away the prospect and the second rounder:

Messier
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4th round pick.


I mean we only got a 6th rounder from Toronto for Gilmour, and this would be a similiar situation, so...
I think Messier is performing significantly better than Doug Gilmour was when he was on his last legs. Hence the horrible return. Messier by himself garners more than a 4th rounder IMO.

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Oh.. It seems to be against Toronto, huh? 70-30.
Agreed

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