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04-24-2008, 01:33 AM
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Michel Bergeron said on 110% that Koivu was mad at Carbo giving Kovy the "C" without consulting him

I'm sure Michel Bergeron is the first person Koivu would confide in.

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04-24-2008, 01:40 AM
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I'm sure Michel Bergeron is the first person Koivu would confide in.
Just to be clear, the goes to Bergeron lol

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04-24-2008, 02:27 AM
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this is all pure bs.... only in Montreal this kinda stupid stuff happens.
koivu is known to be a team player, and if there was any hate i guess it would be clear to see it. it doesn't take about 4 years to know if someone hates the other guy or the other way around.

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i ****ing love this team

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Hum, you guys ALL missed, in the first period, when Koivu and Kovy led a nice attack that led to a scoring chance that Thomas stopped and freezed, and Koivu and Kovy when and "tapped" (well, you could say high five) their gloves.

I'd say both like each other.
Agreed.

With all the rumours about their "rift" I thought it was awesome to see them celebrate the play like that.

The brothers seem to play very well with Plekanec, and not just from this game.. Every time they've taken shifts together they've come out buzzing. Keep these lines together for the time being IMO.

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04-24-2008, 08:14 AM
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Koivu was pissed off at Carbo for giving Kovy the "C", according to Michel Bergeron on 110%
lol...damn you, tricked me into reading your whole post.

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04-24-2008, 08:20 AM
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I think there's been a lot of accurate statements here. The one puck theory is true, the theory of not playing them together lends depth or stability down the lineup, all true.

As to personality, I think there's a bit of everything . My impression is that Koivu might be a real private guy, you know poeple like that, doesn't have a 100 friends but a few good ones. I don't think he gets real close to every player that joins the team, moreso maintains a professional relationship. This probably gives him a standoffish appearance to some.

Captains take heat when personalities erupt within a team. I think Koivu was close to some players who took issue with Kovalev last year. So, if I filter all the gossip and try and arrive at how things really work, I'd suspect that they aren't buddies. They probably have mutual respect for the other's abilities, and stature.

Both understand the up and down nature of sports,particularly in Mtl and get along accordingly. I think Kovalev played a large part if AK and Pleks play this year as he moved the puck well and they became a line.

Right now, he's trying to do too much and to an extent, neutalizing the young guys. Higgins and Koivu , being more experienced, won't defer to him.

It also allows the other 3 guys to play a little more a puck moving, flowing game.

That is, until a few bad shifts and Carbo feels he needs to adjust.

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04-24-2008, 08:47 AM
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This whole BS has pissed me off for a long time. First of all Koivu and Kovalev have always been awsome togheter, from their moments in the playoffs in 2004 to the beginning of the following season, they have always been great togheter. At one point both were injured and were never brought back togheter. Also the"they both want the puck" is kinda true but it is not a problem. Just take a look at how they moved the puck in that game seven...The Kosty bros line has tremendous upside and may be the reason why Kovalev and Koivu might stay togheter for a while.

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04-24-2008, 08:51 AM
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Look at them, playing against each other like they're enemies. You can just feel the hate coming from them as the try to deke each other out.

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04-24-2008, 08:53 AM
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I call BS on the whole Kovalev/Koivu not liking each other. No solid proof has ever come out in regards to this.

I think Carbo just kept them apart because they are his two strongest offensive players.
I hope so. I don't see evidence of this either. I personally like not putting all the eggs in one basket. I mean in certain key situations it's necessary, but it's better to spread out the scoring.

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04-24-2008, 08:59 AM
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It is apparent that there is some kind of agreement within Canadiens circles that Kovalev and Koivu won't play on the same line. Even Koivu said in recent interviews that "he was asked to play with Alex" in the runup to game 7 and that it wasn't a problem.

I've heard short comments about a rift, and matter of fact statements that line draw ups have to accommodate Koivu and Kovalev not being on the same line. My question is where did this originate, and for what reasons?

The problem seems to be one of those infrequently discussed innuendo topics but is considered to be fact. No matter how closely I follow the team I've never read an explanation for these comments. This seems more guarded than the formula for Coca Cola.

Anyone have the history that I'm missing?

I'd say we should split them up for the first game or 2 and see how things go. Kovy had a great season with Pleks and Andrei, so why take that away? I could see changing the lines up since Chara was always watching Kovy like a hawk, but Philly doesn't have Chara so I think we should go back to the lines we used most of the season and see how we fair out for the first game or 2 anyways....if we're not scoring and things aren't going great, then put Kovy up on the wing with Koivu and Higgins again.

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04-24-2008, 09:05 AM
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I hope so. I don't see evidence of this either. I personally like not putting all the eggs in one basket. I mean in certain key situations it's necessary, but it's better to spread out the scoring.
Well it is not exactly putting the eggs in the same basket. The AK-Pleks-SK line has first line potential also with the Bros chemistry. We have to see how great they can be togheter.

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meh. my buddy working at the bell centre sees them leaving in the same car pretty often.

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meh. my buddy working at the bell centre sees them leaving in the same car pretty often.
Isn't Kovalev a downtown, or Old Mtl dweller ? I think Koivu's moved to the South Shore hasn't he ? Didn't he say that pre-season ?

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Isn't Kovalev a downtown, or Old Mtl dweller ? I think Koivu's moved to the South Shore hasn't he ? Didn't he say that pre-season ?
I believe so. Maybe they were going to the club supersexe lunch buffet?

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I believe so. Maybe they were going to the club supersexe lunch buffet?
Could be, though I'd think they could afford more than buffet fare. Then again, athletes are notoriously cheap.

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Yep, it's pretty evident these guys can't stand each other.


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It is apparent that there is some kind of agreement within Canadiens circles that Kovalev and Koivu won't play on the same line. Even Koivu said in recent interviews that "he was asked to play with Alex" in the runup to game 7 and that it wasn't a problem.

I've heard short comments about a rift, and matter of fact statements that line draw ups have to accommodate Koivu and Kovalev not being on the same line. My question is where did this originate, and for what reasons?

The problem seems to be one of those infrequently discussed innuendo topics but is considered to be fact. No matter how closely I follow the team I've never read an explanation for these comments. This seems more guarded than the formula for Coca Cola.

Anyone have the history that I'm missing?
Didn't you guys see them high fiving eachother in the first period of the other game... it wasn't even a goal or a fantastic play.

I think chemistry is good.

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Koivu was pissed off at Carbo for giving Kovy the "C", according to Michel Bergeron on 110%
HA. Ya got 10habs10 there..

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Hum, you guys ALL missed, in the first period, when Koivu and Kovy led a nice attack that led to a scoring chance that Thomas stopped and freezed, and Koivu and Kovy when and "tapped" (well, you could say high five) their gloves.

I'd say both like each other.
There ya go!

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Isn't Kovalev a downtown, or Old Mtl dweller ? I think Koivu's moved to the South Shore hasn't he ? Didn't he say that pre-season ?
Downtown/Old Montreal is on the way to the South Shore.

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Didn't you guys see them high fiving eachother in the first period of the other game... it wasn't even a goal or a fantastic play.

I think chemistry is good.



HA. Ya got 10habs10 there..



There ya go!



Downtown/Old Montreal is on the way to the South Shore.
You saying Kovy's cheap, whines for lifts to save on gas ? Typical biase. Hater.














I've never used that word before, I'm trying to be more current.

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I call BS on the whole Kovalev/Koivu not liking each other. No solid proof has ever come out in regards to this.

I think Carbo just kept them apart because they are his two strongest offensive players.
DING DING DING

there's your answer. And now that he knows kostys and pleks are good and that line can still be good, no reason to not have koivu/kovy together ))))

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Agreed.

With all the rumours about their "rift" I thought it was awesome to see them celebrate the play like that.

The brothers seem to play very well with Plekanec, and not just from this game.. Every time they've taken shifts together they've come out buzzing. Keep these lines together for the time being IMO.
Agleed.

The Kostitsyn Bros know exactly where the other is.

What happens is sick passes and rushes. And who's better than Plekanec, who is not only a great passer but also very solid defensively, to support them?

And then you have Koivu, Kovalev and Higgins. All 3 can go in the corner and get the puck. All 3 can score. All 3 are intense.

So, with these 2 lines, we have a definitive 1st line, and a 2nd line, but good golly is that 2nd line good.

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Yep, it's pretty evident these guys can't stand each other.

This photo was taken by Michel Bergeron...

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I think even more importantly the Kostytsin bros. exploded last game when playing together and why don't we give this a shot until it doesnt work. The three games previous to game 7 our goal scoring was impotent.

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Yep, it's pretty evident these guys can't stand each other.

Koivu, look out!!! Kovy's got a knife!!!

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Well it is not exactly putting the eggs in the same basket. The AK-Pleks-SK line has first line potential also with the Bros chemistry. We have to see how great they can be togheter.
True dat.

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